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aqrinc:

Hi Eileen,

Read the Scriptures below and then see how your understanding of that verse in isolation grows.
As Ray teaches, look at all the words; and yes you need to see context here (When Praying).

Mat 6: 7-15
7 Now, in praying, you should not use useless repetitions even as those of the nations. For they are supposing that they will be hearkened to in their loquacity.
8 Do not, then, be like them, for aware is God, your Father, of what you have need before you request Him.
9 "Thus, then, you be praying: 'Our Father Who art in the heavens, hallowed be Thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, on earth also.
11 Our bread, our dole, be giving us today.
12 And remit to us our debts, as we also remit those of our debtors.
13 And mayest Thou not be bringing us into trial, but rescue us from the wicked one.'
14 "For if you should be forgiving men their offenses, your heavenly Father also will be forgiving you.
15 Yet if you should not be forgiving men their offenses, neither will your Father be forgiving your offenses.

Mark 11:24-26
24 Therefore I am saying to you, All, whatever you are praying and requesting, be believing that you obtained, and it will be yours."
25 And whenever you may be standing praying, be forgiving, if you have anything against anyone, that your Father also, Who is in the heavens, may be forgiving you your offenses."
26 Now if you are not forgiving, neither will your Father Who is in the heavens be forgiving your offenses."

george. ;D

daywalker:

--- Quote from: EKnight on February 24, 2009, 08:14:17 PM ---I have read and listened to Ray's audio on this topic.  I think I get it and then I read:

Matthew 6:
14 "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15 "But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.


This confuses me.  I read these scriptures and now I'm thinking that I am not forgiven unless:

14 "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.

15 "But if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

Maybe I totally misunderstood the order Forgiveness, Repentance, Cleansing.

I thought forgiveness was first because Christ already died for the remission of sin.  But there are conditions for forgiveness and it appears these conditions must first be met before forgiveness.   ???

Ugh!

Eileen

--- End quote ---

Luke 6:32-37:
32 "And if you are loving those loving you, what thanks is it to you? For sinners also are loving those loving them.
33 And if you should be doing good to those doing good to you, what thanks is it to you? For sinners also are doing the same.
34 And if you should ever be lending to those from whom you are expecting to get back, what thanks is it to you? For sinners also are lending to sinners, that they may get back the equivalent.
35 Moreover, be loving your enemies, and be doing good, and be lending, expecting nothing from them, and your wages will be vast in the heavens, and you will be sons of the Most High, for He is kind to the ungrateful and wicked.
36 "Become, then, pitiful, according as your Father also is pitiful.
37 And be not judging, and under no circumstances may you be judged; and be not convicting, and under no circumstances may you be convicted; be releasing, and you shall be released;
38 be giving, and it shall be given to you: a measure ideal, squeezed down and shaken together and running over, shall they be giving into your bosom. For the same measure with which you are measuring will be measured to you again."


This all has to do with living a Godly life. We must live more righteous than those of the world, and those of the Christian Church [Matthew 5:20]

The answer to your question is in the last verse of the passage above:

"For the same measure with which you are measuring will be measured to you again."

And here's how the process of how God's forgiveness towards us works:

Matthew 6:12:  And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.


God will forgive us "as we forgive" others. Then He will lead us to repent, and be cleansed.


- Daywalker.

Ninny:
Eilene, I might add one thing here. Remember Ray said that God began to take things awayfrom him? where he said that: But then God started to make me feel convicted about my sins that I still had.  But I was convinced you couldn’t overcome them!  You know, when you are in your 50’s and still not able to conquer these sins…when?   How?  Will it ever happen?  I was pretty convinced it wouldn’t happen.  But I’m thinking about these things more and I’m studying.  And then I started finding that some things I was doing I didn’t need to do anymore.  And it isn’t anything I did.  God just took something away from me.  Took away a burden, a sin, a guilty conscience about something.  Just took it away and it was no longer a struggle.  But I never stopped wanting to get rid of it ALL.  That was always there.  Get rid of it all.  (You all want to know what those things were….it doesn’t matter, they’re all the same!)  You know, lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, pride of life….

You can’t take credit for it; in His time He will do it.
God had already forgiven him and the stronghold about it all was in his mind. When God broke the stronghold the things fell away..forgiveness, then Ray saw the things he didn't want to do start to fall away he was able to repent of those things..remember that means to turn another way..God gave him a new direction! THEN the cleansing could take place ALL in God's timing.
We just really have to start looking at things with a different perspective, from GOD"S perspective and not ours, we HAVE to stop substituting GOD'S mind with our own! God is not human and He doesn't think like we do! I think that's where  Grace comes in! We let go and let God DO it in HIS own way and in His time!
This may not make sense to you, but this is how I see it.
Kathy :D

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