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Who are the dead in Christ
Ricky:
Hello everyone, As always I am missing the meaning of Dead In Christ. Who are these people, and what exactly does DEAD IN CHRIST MEAN? Since the church (all churches) do not teach the truth about Jesus, how is it possible that anybody could have died IN CHRIST without knowing the truth. OK, maybe I should try and explain something to everyone, please do not misjudge me on this. I have not read the bible in years now, and I do not plan on reading it ever again, because without an education it is impossible to to go anywhere with a book that is written like that, nothing in the bible is plain simple English, and now look what the church did to the bible, nothing but lies about what scripture means. And for me Ray`s teaching`s are very hard to grab onto, I know he teaches the truth. I have about 8 days of reading here, and that is not about what Ray teaches, my reading is all from the form, it is what all of you teach. This is the only way that I am able to understand a very little bit of what Ray teaches. I have been hurting for many years now to know God and to know the truth. I can only hope that all or some of you can find a small little spot for me on BT somewhere. We are to love our neighbours as we love ourselves, Impossible for me to do because I am the only man on this planet that I hate more than anybody or anything. I am my very own enemy. It is very hard to go through life without family or friends, I have neither. Everyone, all I ask is for you to please be patient with me, maybe God will feed me a little bit someday so I can understand a little bit more that is all I ask. Thankyou
Ricky the loser.
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Ricky on February 20, 2009, 03:07:44 AM ---Hello everyone, As always I am missing the meaning of Dead In Christ. Who are these people, and what exactly does DEAD IN CHRIST MEAN? Since the church (all churches) do not teach the truth about Jesus, how is it possible that anybody could have died IN CHRIST without knowing the truth. OK, maybe I should try and explain something to everyone, please do not misjudge me on this. I have not read the bible in years now, and I do not plan on reading it ever again, because without an education it is impossible to to go anywhere with a book that is written like that, nothing in the bible is plain simple English, and now look what the church did to the bible, nothing but lies about what scripture means. And for me Ray`s teaching`s are very hard to grab onto, I know he teaches the truth. I have about 8 days of reading here, and that is not about what Ray teaches, my reading is all from the form, it is what all of you teach. This is the only way that I am able to understand a very little bit of what Ray teaches. I have been hurting for many years now to know God and to know the truth. I can only hope that all or some of you can find a small little spot for me on BT somewhere. We are to love our neighbours as we love ourselves, Impossible for me to do because I am the only man on this planet that I hate more than anybody or anything. I am my very own enemy. It is very hard to go through life without family or friends, I have neither. Everyone, all I ask is for you to please be patient with me, maybe God will feed me a little bit someday so I can understand a little bit more that is all I ask. Thankyou
Ricky the loser.
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1 Thess 4:16-17 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Matt 24:31 And he [the Lord] shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Isa 65:22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
Hello Ricky,
This is referring to God's elect who He has been choosing and working His grace in through the last 2000+ years. Some of the chosen & faithful whom the Lord has predestined [Rom 8:29] will be waiting in their graves for the resurrection while others will be alive at his coming. That is what 'dead in Christ' means: those who are chosen and faithful and have died in that truth. They will be resurrected into eonian life.
Prov 30:5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
Luke 4:11 ...Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God
Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.
2 Tim 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Ricky, all of Ray's teaching are based on the Word of God, the scriptures. Christ says we are to live by every word of God so I would believe taking the time to read it would be necessary. The scriptures are for our admonition, correction, and instructions in righteousness. They should be the very bedrock of our daily lives.
Seek and ask of the Lord for understanding when reading His Word...he will not fail you or ignore you. Though it may not come all at once, the Lord will begin to open your understanding here a little, there a little.
Now, as for yourself: Stop beating yourself up. You're a sinner just like the rest of us...no better, no worse. I know life is hard without family and friends for support but you always have your Father in heaven as well a your Lord and Savior, Jesus. Talk to Him, lean on Him and place your cares of life ON Him. He will not fail nor mislead you. You are never alone: For in him we live, and move, and have our being...by him all things consist [Acts 17:28 & Col 1:17]
Hope this helps,
Marques
OBrenda:
Can't realy add to the perfection of Marques reply!
Ricky I think we all hate the beast inside us.
Your in "like" company here.
Brenda
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: OBrenda on February 20, 2009, 07:33:21 AM ---Can't realy add to the perfection of Marques reply!
Ricky I think we all hate the beast inside us.
Your in "like" company here.
Brenda
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+1
Ricky, to really appreciate what is going on here in the forums you really need to read bible-truths.com and study what Brother Rays teachings have to offer. Learning Spiritual truth is no walk in the park,it takes a mindset to want to follow Jesus and all that comes with that responsibility.Reading the word and with the Grace of God to guide you can be a life long effort.Study to show yourself approved.
A really good place to start is Rays e-mail section on his site,lots of great questions and answers for sure. Hang in there bro and always have the Faith :) God Bless you.
Peace...Mark
Samson:
Hello Brother Ricky,
Below is an excerpt from Rays Seven Foundational Truths, I only pasted
the part of the Transcript that mentions these simple foundational
Scriptures. Open your Bible and read these verses while following along
with Ray's explanation of them. (Read Below)
want to show that you don’t have to have that many (foundational Truths), if you know how to use the couple that you have.
It’s like if you have just a select number of tools, a hammer, a saw, a screw driver… say you could have 7 tools and you could build a whole house with those tools. You could have only 7 tools and you could come up with 7. Although the average house is built with maybe 100 or more tools at least. Every trade has a bucket full of 30-40-50 tools. But you would need an adjustable wrench, something to cut with maybe like a saw or knife, a hammer, a screw driver… but you could probably come up with 7 tools to build a house.
GOD DOES NOT LIE!
Let’s go through just one major point here about God and His work. Now I’m assuming that we accept the fact that there is a God. But first you have to accept that there is a creation and there is a Creator of the creation. I’m assuming that we all believe that there is a God of the creation.
I’ll ask the question here, does God lie? I want to give you this verse in the Concordant in Titus, because it really is worded properly.
Titus 1:2 in expectation of life eonian, which God, Who does not lie, promises before times eonian, (CLV)
The King James says, “God, that cannot lie,” But that is not what it means, that’s not what it says. It doesn’t say in the Greek that He “cannot” lie, it says “does not.” It’s a negative, can’t - don’t. But it’s not that He can’t, but He doesn’t. God doesn’t lie.
Num 23:19 God is not a man, that He should lie;
1 Sam 15:29 And also the Strength of Israel will not lie…
That is in a capital, it is talking about God. This is a Truth! You got to hang onto that. Under no circumstances can you ever let go of that Truth, it’s paramount. If you believe that God lies, then you might as well throw your Bible away. You might as well throw your religion away.
This is paramount!
You say, ‘well teach me something new Ray, teach me something I need to know. Teach me something the whole church doesn’t know or believe.’ I AM. They DON’T believe this. That’s why I’m telling you, you must believe this.
G o d d o e s n o t l i e.
GOD’S WORD DOES NOT LIE!
John 17:17 Sanctify them through Thy truth: Thy WORD is truth.
John 10:35 …and the SCRIPTURE cannot be broken;
2 Tim 3:16 ALL Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
So the Scripture are true. They are true and they can’t be broken and they are written through the inspiration of God, who does not lie. Now have you got that point in your mind? Don’t ever lose that. This is your salvation, when it comes to you understanding the Scriptures and/or teaching others to understand the Scriptures or exposing those who contradict themselves.
We can now apply this TRUTH to all Scriptures. With just that Truth we can confound the mighty of this world and I’ll show you how to do it. This is not going to be a difficult study. But it is going to be maybe one of the most profound studies I’ve ever given.
SEVEN [7] FOUNDATIONAL SCRIPTURES
Now I going to give you 7 Scriptures that talks about really important things and I have several that eludes to the salvation of the human race. Because what is more important than that? What’s more important to a human being than to think that God, since He brought us into existence, we will always be in existence. Even when we die He is going to bring us back. If He brought us here in the first place, then He can bring us back. This is not hard, not for God.
[1] 1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Savior of the world.
I never forgot that Scripture. First time I saw that I memorized it and I never forgot it. I never had to look it up again, I knew where it was…1 John 4:14. And also 1 John 4:8 “…for God is love.” Remember these.
[2] 1 Tim 2:4 God our Savior; Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
You’re got to believe that. Maybe you should cut these out and stick them in your Bible or something.
[3] 1 Tim 4:10 For therefore we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living GOD, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those that believe.
Phil 2:13 For it is GOD which works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.
Do you see free will in there any place? Who is it that brings about what is your will and what you will do? GOD!
[4] 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is…NOT WILLING that ANY should perish (well how is He going to keep them from perishing?...), but that all should come to repentance.
Here is a negative thought - "not willing." Now this is the will of God and this is important. God’s will is that no one should perish… no one, not Adolf Hitler, not Osama Bin Laden, no one. But they all have to repent.
You say, ‘ well they’re already dead Ray.’ That’s right, but they are coming back in judgment and they have to repent. Why? Because God does not want them to perish.
Now we are going to see what theologians do with these verses and what you can’t ever do with these verse. Because this is Truth, God does not will - He’s not willing - He does not want - He has no such desire - He takes no pleasure in any perishing. But He is going to have them all repent.
[5] Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning (speaking of God), and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure:
What an important verse. Now do you believe it? Can you believe it and will you continue to believe it? If there is anything in God’s Word where He says, this is what I want - this is what I desire - this is one of My pleasures - this is one of the things I’m going to bring about… will it have to be brought about? That’s what God says, “My counsel shall stand, and I will do all My pleasure.” I WILL do it. I mean you can bring in more Scripture, like the Lord’s prayer.
Luke 11:2 …Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will BE done, as in heaven, so in earth.
"THY WILL BE DONE" see, no ifs ands or maybes. So when you have these people who say, ‘well yeah, God kind of wishes that things would be better, they just are not.’ Nonsense.
[6] 1 John 4:8 He that loves not knows not God (why?...); for God is love.
Very profound statement, it’s the Truth and you’ve got to believe it.
[7] 1 Cor 13:8 Love NEVER FAILS…
You might kill the person who is doing the loving, but the love still isn’t going to fail. "LOVE NEVER FAILS."
Hope this helps Ricky, these Scriptures above are simple, but Churches in general don't
really believe them; God's Love NEVER fails, so there can't be one instance where it does,
although people(Family, " Friends" & outsiders) often do.
Take Heart, I often feel alone, unwanted and a Scapegoat. Study alittle at a
time, as Marques suggests, concentrate on quality of understanding, instead
of quantity. Feel free to PM me anytime.
Kind Regards, Samson.
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