The Deaths of the Apostles

[Marlene]

Thanks for bringing this back up. I will make a copy of it.  I always wondered about our trials compared to back then. When, I look back on things. I believed in God and wanted to obey. But, did not have truth. That, was a form of a trial. To believe there was a Hell and not able to live with the thoughts of it was such torment.  God brought me to a place so that I would easily give up the terrible believe that he was like a mere man and had no way to correct me. I had no peace in my life. Knowing, the truth ,when I go through trials make them easier to deal with. I known, that my Husbands family think I am lost .  Its as if they are afaid to learn the truth.  They won't read this. It is all of God. They are where he wants them. I am where he wants me.
But, I have to keep my mouth shut or there would be great trouble.

I use to believe that Revelations was a terrible book of most of creation going to Hell. Now, I know it is a beautiful book of great blessings.

In His Love,
Marlene

[myms]

Quote Arcturus: 'The thought came to me that we are in the last hour and not in the heat of the day as are some of God's servants in the vineyard were when He first called them in the earlier part of the day.'

Thats a really interesting thought. The last hour (getting darker) could be understood to be the suffering (loneliness etc) of living at a time of spiritual darkness unlike anything previously experienced

2 Timothy 3:13  But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

[Deborah-Leigh]

Hello Arcturus 2007

While your posts in this tread, are very forcefully if not vehemently, vigorously, powerfully, convincingly and compellingly  written, you nevertheless trip over NOT

" Knowing this FIRST, that no prophecy of the scripture is of an PRIVATE INTERPRETAION. (Gk: is becoming it's OWN explanation) 2 Peter 1:20

Ref: http://bible-truths.com/email14.htm


You have assumed that the laborers who are invited by the master to go and work in the latter hours of the day, were correctly assessed by the laborers who complained for having worked in the heat of the day. You take their assumption to be truth and not the Lords edification that the meaning of the Parable is the same as it is in all the Parables.  Many are called and few chosen.

This error duplicated in the post submitted by M Oliver who presents the Rotherham version as saying that quote: Just as, the Son of Man, came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom instead of many. (Matthew 20:28 Rotherham)

Where is the double witness to this interpretation? Where is the Spiritual match? There isn't one.  
There are four stern warnings in the Scriptures with regards to adding to or taking away from the Word of God:

Excerpt from WHICH BIBLE TRANSLATION IS BEST?
1.   "For I testify unto every man that hears the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall ADD unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.

And if any man shall take away from the WORDS of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" (Rev. 22:18-19).
 
2.   "You shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither shall you DIMINISH ought from it, that you may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you" (Deut. 4:2).
 
3.   "What thing soever I command you, observe to do it: you shall not ADD thereto, nor DIMINISH from it" (Deut. 12:32).
 
4.   "Every word of God is PURE: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him. ADD YOU NOT unto His words, lest He reprove you, and you be found a liar" (Prov. 30:5-6).

We know from the expounding work of Ray Smith regarding the translation Hell and Eternal that the interpretation that says many means INSTEAD,   smack right in the face,  going against the admonitions published above.

The work of Ray Smith, exhorts us to PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS.... Here the word translated in Mat 20:28 as INSTEAD....has NO support from the translations.
Look at this:
G4183
πολύς  /  πολλός
polus  /  polos
Total KJV Occurrences: 365
many, 210
Mat_3:7, Mat_7:13, Mat_7:22 (2), Mat_8:11, Mat_8:16, Mat_8:30, Mat_9:10, Mat_10:31, Mat_13:3, Mat_13:17, Mat_13:58, Mat_15:30, Mat_16:21, Mat_19:30, Mat_20:16, Mat_20:28, Mat_22:14, Mat_24:5 (2), Mat_24:10-12 (4), Mat_25:21, Mat_25:23, Mat_26:28, Mat_26:60, Mat_27:19, Mat_27:52-53 (2), Mat_27:55, Mar_1:34 (2), Mar_2:2, Mar_2:15 (2), Mar_3:10, Mar_4:2, Mar_4:33, Mar_5:9, Mar_5:26 (2), Mar_6:2, Mar_6:13 (2), Mar_6:20, Mar_6:31, Mar_6:33-34 (2), Mar_7:4, Mar_7:8, Mar_7:13, Mar_8:31, Mar_9:12, Mar_9:26, Mar_10:31, Mar_10:45, Mar_10:48, Mar_11:8, Mar_12:5, Mar_12:41, Mar_13:6 (2), Mar_14:24, Mar_14:56, Mar_15:3, Mar_15:41, Luk_1:1, Luk_1:14, Luk_1:16, Luk_2:34-35 (2), Luk_3:18, Luk_4:25, Luk_4:27, Luk_4:41, Luk_7:21 (2), Luk_7:47, Luk_8:3, Luk_8:30, Luk_9:22, Luk_10:24, Luk_10:41, Luk_12:7, Luk_12:19, Luk_12:47, Luk_13:24, Luk_14:16, Luk_15:13, Luk_17:25, Luk_21:8, Luk_22:65, Luk_23:8, Joh_2:12, Joh_2:23, Joh_4:39, Joh_4:41, Joh_6:60, Joh_6:66, Joh_7:31, Joh_7:40, Joh_8:26, Joh_8:30, Joh_10:20, Joh_10:32, Joh_10:41-42 (2), Joh_11:19, Joh_11:45, Joh_11:47, Joh_11:55, Joh_12:11, Joh_12:42, Joh_14:2, Joh_16:12, Joh_19:20, Joh_20:30, Joh_21:25, Act_1:3, Act_1:5, Act_2:43, Act_4:4, Act_5:12, Act_8:7 (2), Act_8:25, Act_9:13, Act_9:42, Act_10:27, Act_13:43, Act_15:32, Act_15:35, Act_16:18, Act_16:23, Act_17:12, Act_18:8, Act_20:18-19 (2), Act_24:10, Act_25:7, Act_28:9-10 (3), Rom_4:17-18 (2), Rom_5:15-16 (3), Rom_5:19 (2), Rom_8:29, Rom_12:4-5 (2), Rom_15:23, Rom_16:2, 1Co_1:26 (3), 1Co_4:15, 1Co_8:5 (2), 1Co_10:17, 1Co_10:33, 1Co_11:30, 1Co_12:12 (2), 1Co_12:14, 1Co_12:20, 1Co_16:9, 2Co_1:11 (2), 2Co_2:4, 2Co_2:17, 2Co_6:10, 2Co_8:22, 2Co_9:12, 2Co_11:18, 2Co_12:21, Gal_1:14, Gal_3:16, Gal_4:27, Phi_3:18, 1Ti_6:9-10 (2), 1Ti_6:12, 2Ti_2:2, Heb_5:10-11 (3), Heb_9:28, Heb_12:15, Jam_3:1-2 (2), 2Pe_2:2, 1Jo_2:18, 1Jo_4:1, 2Jo_1:7, 2Jo_1:12, 3Jo_1:13, Rev_1:15, Rev_8:11 (2), Rev_9:9, Rev_10:11, Rev_14:2, Rev_17:1, Rev_19:12
much, 73
Mat_6:30, Mat_13:5, Mat_26:9, Mar_1:45, Mar_4:5, Mar_5:10, Mar_5:21, Mar_5:24, Mar_6:34, Mar_12:41, Luk_7:11, Luk_7:47, Luk_8:4, Luk_9:37, Luk_10:40, Luk_12:19, Luk_12:48 (3), Luk_16:10 (2), Luk_18:39, Joh_3:23, Joh_6:10, Joh_7:12, Joh_12:9, Joh_12:12, Joh_12:24, Joh_14:30, Joh_15:5, Joh_15:8, Act_10:2, Act_14:22, Act_15:7, Act_16:16, Act_18:10, Act_18:27, Act_20:2, Act_26:24, Act_27:10, Rom_3:2, Rom_5:9-10 (2), Rom_5:15, Rom_5:17, Rom_9:22, Rom_16:6, Rom_16:12, 1Co_2:3, 1Co_12:22, 1Co_16:19, 2Co_2:4, 2Co_3:9, 2Co_3:11, 2Co_8:4 (2), 2Co_8:15, 2Co_8:22, Phi_2:12, 1Th_1:5-6 (2), 1Th_2:2, 1Ti_3:8, 2Ti_4:14, Tit_2:3, Heb_12:8-9 (2), Heb_12:25, Jam_5:16, 1Pe_1:7, Rev_5:4, Rev_8:3, Rev_19:1
great, 62
Mat_2:18, Mat_4:25, Mat_5:12, Mat_8:1, Mat_8:18, Mat_12:15, Mat_13:2, Mat_14:14, Mat_15:30, Mat_19:2, Mat_19:22, Mat_24:29-30 (2), Mat_26:47, Mar_3:7-8 (2), Mar_4:1, Mar_9:14, Mar_10:22, Mar_10:48, Mar_13:26, Mar_14:43, Luk_2:36, Luk_5:6, Luk_5:15, Luk_5:29, Luk_6:17, Luk_6:23, Luk_6:35, Luk_10:2, Luk_14:25, Luk_14:32, Luk_23:27 (2), Joh_5:3, Joh_6:2, Joh_6:5, Act_6:7, Act_11:21, Act_14:1, Act_17:4, Act_21:40, Act_22:28, Act_23:10, Act_24:2, Act_24:7, Act_25:23, Act_28:6, Act_28:29, 2Co_3:12, 2Co_7:4 (2), 2Co_8:2, 2Co_8:22, Eph_2:4, Col_4:13, 1Th_2:17, 1Ti_3:13, Phm_1:7, Heb_10:32, Rev_7:9, Rev_19:6
greatly, 4
Mar_5:23, Mar_5:38, Mar_12:27, 1Co_16:12
long, 4
Mat_25:19, Joh_5:6, Act_27:14, Act_27:21
far, 3
Mar_6:35 (2), Phi_1:23
straitly, 2
Mar_3:12, Mar_5:43
abundant, 1
1Pe_1:3
altogether, 1
Act_26:29
common, 1
Mar_12:37
oft, 1
Mat_9:14
oftentimes, 1
Luk_8:29
plenteous, 1
Mat_9:37
sore, 1
Mar_9:26

Surely God did not sternly warn against adding to or taking away from His Word, while knowing it would never happen. Of course it has happened. L. Ray Smith

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