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Christmas? Easter? Halloween?
mhykx:
Ray was a member of old Worldwide Church of God.
So I guess, the teaching of Christimas, Easter, Halloween, a pagan came from this church although I'm absolutely sure he confirmed all of this by his personal study. Actually, even celebrating one's birthday! For that church, it is pagan too!
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: mhykx on February 22, 2009, 08:27:28 PM ---Ray was a member of old Worldwide Church of God.
So I guess, the teaching of Christimas, Easter, Halloween, a pagan came from this church although I'm absolutely sure he confirmed all of this by his personal study. Actually, even celebrating one's birthday! For that church, it is pagan too!
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Christmas, Easter, Halloween are all based on pagan rituals and customs...long before the Worldwide Church even began. Ray does not teach the teachings of the Worldwide Church of God...he is only a former member who was dragged out like we all are dragged out of our respective Babylonian, harlot churches.
If members are going to imply that Ray said this or that without any quoted statements NOW, I'd hate to see how it will be if Ray could not be with us...
Marques
mhykx:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on February 22, 2009, 08:35:39 PM ---
--- Quote from: mhykx on February 22, 2009, 08:27:28 PM ---Ray was a member of old Worldwide Church of God.
So I guess, the teaching of Christimas, Easter, Halloween, a pagan came from this church although I'm absolutely sure he confirmed all of this by his personal study. Actually, even celebrating one's birthday! For that church, it is pagan too!
--- End quote ---
Christmas, Easter, Halloween are all based on pagan rituals and customs...long before the Worldwide Church even began. Ray does not teach the teachings of the Worldwide Church of God...he is only a former member who was dragged out like we all are dragged out of our respective Babylonian, harlot churches.
If members are going to imply that Ray said this or that without any quoted statements NOW, I'd hate to see how it will be if Ray could not be with us...
Marques
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What I meant was Ray must have first got the understanding that these customs are pagan when he was in WCG and not that WCG hold the doctrine uniquely. And in the course of his studies, I guess he confirmed that they are so. Or did he not? Do I still need to quote him saying this? I thought this is already a common understanding here in BT. I'm sorry if it is not. It is not my intention to put words to Ray's mouth that has not been said before.
Mike
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: mhykx on February 22, 2009, 08:55:37 PM ---What I meant was Ray must have first got the understanding that these customs are pagan when he was in WCG and not that WCG hold the doctrine uniquely. And in the course of his studies, I guess he confirmed that they are so. Or did he not? Do I still need to quote him saying this? I thought this is already a common understanding here in BT. I'm sorry if it is not. It is not my intention to put words to Ray's mouth that has not been said before.
Mike
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Ray does not teach anything that he learned at WCG....I don't know where/how/why you may have thought that to be a common understanding. Just a misunderstanding I suppose...
I do not believe you or others are maliciously putting words in Ray's mouths...but it is starting to happen in off-hand remarks here and there. Some remarks are innocent in nature but it can build up from there so it is better to nip it in the bud than let escalate.
Thanks,
Marques
Dave in Tenn:
Here's an alternative to Christmas taken from my favorite 'Christmas' account.
John 1:14-16. The Word became flesh and tabernacled among us. We gazed on His glory, the kind of glory that belongs to the Father's unique Son, full of grace and truth.
John told the truth about Him when he cried out, "This is the person about whom I said, "The one who comes after me ranks ahead of me, because he existed before me." From His fullness, we have all received one gracious gift after another. For while the law was given through Moses, grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Isn't saying (and believing) 'The One who comes after me ranks ahead of me because He existed before me...' the spiritual equivalent of acclaiming Jesus Christ is Lord? Is He more Lord on Sabbaths? Is He less Lord on public holidays?
Do we recognize that we have received one gracious gift after another? Are we thankful for the gifts we have received? Do these gifts include friends and family and a respite from work? Aren't all those gifts inferior to the grace and Truth that came to us in Him?
Is He still tabernacling with us? Is He now tabernacling in us? Do we need reminders of that? Doesn't Grace remind us of that? If not, why not?
Just had to preach there for a minute. :D
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