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sitting in my boyfriends room...crying
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Judy on February 25, 2009, 02:01:28 PM ---Patrick, I know Jesus wept but then he did go to the cross willingly. There are times when the sorrow is so great we weep but if we weep and make no difference, what do our tears accomplish? Maybe it's just I am an A type personality. I used to cry a lot when I was younger but found out if I made a plan for the next time a simaliar(?) situation came up I felt better. I had to train myself. Judy
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I'm sorry judy but i disagree with you. I don't think it's a qustion of what our tears accomplish. It is GOD who accomplish anything and all things anyway. However The tears we shed and the tears she shed, simply show us that God is MOVING her to action. It shows us that God is indeed REAL and that if She shed tears, how much more did the Lord shed tears and yet still does? Does the Lord not see the pain and suffering of this world? Offcourse He does, does He not also feel the worlds pain? Yes He does! How much patience must God have to truly accomplish his plan for all mankind? Far more than i could ever have...
Don't feed a baby steak, but rather milk, until they can handle the milk and than SLOWLY give them PIECES of the STEAK until they can consume the WHOLE!
Perhaps these tears did not move her to action, not this time and perhaps not the 100 times after but one day, God will give her the strength and it will be HIS strength, to act and to indeed do good to the Glory of GOD.
For we know it takes spiritual strength to do what is good and that only comes from God. No where else, not even ourselves.
In Christ,
Alex
Robin:
I know I don't have all the details of this situation, but if they are homeless and without food, shelter, and medical attention you can make some calls and offer assistance.
http://www.unitedwayoc.org/basic_needs.asp
http://www.mercyhouse.net/?page_id=28
http://www.thomashouseshelter.org/index.asp
http://www.211oc.org/default.asp
If they are unable or unwilling to provide shelter, food, and medical attention for this child contact CPS. She should also be in school.
http://www.ssa.ocgov.com/Abuse_Reporting/Child_Abuse/Making_a_Report/default.asp
I am a mandated child abuse reporter in California and I would have to report this by law.
You can report it anonymously.
California Statutes
Neglect
Citation: Penal Code § 11165.2
Neglect means the negligent treatment or the maltreatment of a child by a person responsible for the child's welfare under circumstances indicating harm or threatened harm to the child's health or welfare. The term includes both acts and omissions on the part of the responsible person.
Severe neglect means the negligent failure of a person having the care or custody of a child to protect the child from severe malnutrition or medically diagnosed nonorganic failure to thrive. Severe neglect also means those situations of neglect where any person having the care or custody of a child willfully causes or permits the person or health of the child to be placed in a situation such that his or her person or health is endangered, including the intentional failure to provide adequate food, clothing, shelter, or medical care.
General neglect means the negligent failure of a person having the care or custody of a child to provide adequate food, clothing, shelter, medical care, or supervision where no physical injury to the child has occurred.
lilitalienboi16:
I disagree with both Alex and Judy.
Spiritual strength is the FAITH God gifts us all with, but how we nurture our FAITH. Be it in Loving actions, Spirit Study.... etc.
cause and effect. God causes us to have FAITH as a GIFT, how we go about effecting others with this FAITH is our choices in Life.
Obadiah 1:10 - 11
"Because of violence to your brother Jacob, You will be covered with shame, And you will be cut off forever.
"On the day that you stood aloof, On the day that strangers carried off his wealth, And foreigners entered his gate And cast lots for Jerusalem-- You too were as one of them [/color]
Yes Jesus did wept but he was moved by the Spirit as well, Jesus doing the WILL of God resurrected Lazarus and this action Glorified God, this action of the Spirit overcame the weakness of the flesh. Again Jesus just showed us a pattern to follow, when the weakness of the flesh presents itself.
If we, the believers. should claim any part of having Eyes and Ears open to the TRUTHS of GOD , there leaves no excuses to go back into babehood.
Dear Falcon,
I did not read your entire post because when i reached a certain point and read what you said i full heartedly disagreed. You said "Jesus wept and was moved by the spirit.
Dear falcon, whatever is the moving of the spirit? If it not be the strength of God in Christ? If it not be God in Christ doing the good works? Though Christ is God and indeed The spirit of the Father is His, nonetheless it is still God who does the good and is the only one who is good.
Are you suggesting that chanelle find her own strength from within to do what is right? Or wait with patience that God grant her, until He see it fit for her to be moved to action?
You also said that "Spiritual strength is the FAITH God gifts us all with." I completely disagree, simply because i have FAITH in God does not mean i have SPIRITUAL STRENGTH to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That takes the chastening and grace of God upon my heart to accomplish. Yes faith is indeed a step towards God and what is good, however it is not the ONLY and SOLE reason to why one does what is good.
I just cannot read further your post falcon because i just don't agree with what you have to say at the very start. I don't agree with it.
If i am wrong than God forgive me for my blindness.
With love,
Alex
lilitalienboi16:
--- Quote from: Falconn003 on February 25, 2009, 07:28:18 PM ---
--- Quote from: lilitalienboi16 on February 25, 2009, 06:57:09 PM ---
Dear Falcon,
I did not read your entire post because when i reached a certain point and read what you said i full heartedly disagreed. You said "Jesus wept and was moved by the spirit.
Dear falcon, whatever is the moving of the spirit? If it not be the strength of God in Christ? If it not be God in Christ doing the good works? Though Christ is God and indeed The spirit of the Father is His, nonetheless it is still God who does the good and is the only one who is good.
Are you suggesting that chanelle find her own strength from within to do what is right? Or wait with patience that God grant her, until He see it fit for her to be moved to action?
You also said that "Spiritual strength is the FAITH God gifts us all with." I completely disagree, simply because i have FAITH in God does not mean i have SPIRITUAL STRENGTH to not eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. That takes the chastening and grace of God upon my heart to accomplish. Yes faith is indeed a step towards God and what is good, however it is not the ONLY and SOLE reason to why one does what is good.
I just cannot read further your post falcon because i just don't agree with what you have to say at the very start. I don't agree with it.
If i am wrong than God forgive me for my blindness.
With love,
Alex
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What i am saying is you want to justify weakness of the Spirit even though the Scripture speaks clearly of this stance.
What the carnal church calls the strength of God is God Spirit, it is God ((i AM that I am )). God does not put any of his strength into you, God puts his SPIRIT in you. God's Spirit in you is God Spirit, it is God ((ever wondered why he said love your enemies)). The gift of FAITH is believing in the Spirit of God, a leap of FAITH.
The "God give me strength" is such an old addage from the carnal church i am not surprised you cling to it staunchly.
Has it ever crossed your Spirit just once, why Jesus never asked for God's strength, as you proclaim there is, on the way to SUFFERING and crucifixion
Instead Jesus Prayed " Father, let your Will be done and NOT mine" where is your God's strength in the perfect man who ever walked the earth ?? Did Jesus submitt to and become obedient the strength of God or to God's will you can not choose both.
But what else is new these days.
You want to advocate your argument to God by all means have at it.
If you would open your eyes from the crying you would see you are basically saying the SAME THING i am.
Have you any Spiritual Knowledge why the COMFORTER is sent by Jesus to begin with ???
DO you understand what a COMFORTER is ??? What purpose it serves ??
And yet you disagree and i will abide by your choice, and bid you well on your journey. need anything more be said.
I doubt it.
Rodger
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Dear Rodger,
I don't know if you are reading my posts or jumping around. In nearly the first line, i called God's spirit, His strength in us.
Dear falcon, whatever is the moving of the spirit? If it not be the strength of God in Christ?
I don't believe their is anything wrong, scripturaly, with relating God's spirit in us as His strength in us. It's a metaphor. All life is grass. All life [is like] grass [in certain ways.]
You said; "What i am saying is you want to justify weakness of the Spirit even though the Scripture speaks clearly of this stance."
Why would i want to justify weakness in the spirit, if their is no weakness in God? Hence no weakness in His spirit.
You said; "God does not put any of his strength into you, God puts his SPIRIT in you. God's Spirit in you is God Spirit, it is God"
I am well aware that God puts His spirit into us. That the spirit in us is indeed Christ in us, for Christ is that spirit. He is coming to make His home within us. There is no disagreement here. I'm not sure why you speak down to me, as if i didn't know this.
You said; "Has it ever crossed your Spirit just once, why Jesus never asked for God's strength, as you proclaim there is, on the way to SUFFERING and crucifixion" [/font]
I don't remember saying Jesus every asked for "God's strength." Like i said, God's strength is nothing LITERAL. God is not literally lifting or moving things. It's just a metaphor, it's symbolic. His spirit in us, is like His mighty hand within us. Would you accuse me of saying that Jesus asked for "Gods mighty hand" in Him, if i likened His spirit to that?
You said; "Have you any Spiritual Knowledge why the COMFORTER is sent by Jesus to begin with"
"DO you understand what a COMFORTER is What purpose it serves ??
[fcolor=red] "I doubt it.
Excuse me, but who are you to ASSUME such an answer? YOU DOUBT IT?
Does one require such a knowledge to be allowed to cry? Does one require such a knowledge to be allowed a post on these forums? Does one require such a knowledge to be able to fellowship with those of like minds here?
I assure you, rodger. I do have such a knowledge and i thank God as often as i can for it.
Chanelle does not YET, but God have mercy upon you if you are judging her for not having it or looking down on her in anyway. Not all of us, are where you might be rodger and to be quiet frank some us might never get there. Than again, it's entirely up to God.. I hope you remember that.
Your sir are in seriouse need of friendly rebuke. So here it is;
Get OFF your high horse.
God be with you,
Alex
mharrell08:
This topic seems to have run it's course...please continue any direct discussions in PM. Thanks
Marques
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