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rocky:
--- Quote from: Daniel ---Considering ALL the ABOVE :lol: It just got quicked to me another way too. HE is GOOD Bless our Great God in Jesus Christ!
Awesome!
John 5:39 Search THE SCRIPTURES; for IN THEM ye think ye have eternal life: and THEY ARE THEY WHICH TESTIFY OF "ME".
Jerm 51:63 And it shall be, "WHEN" thou hast made AN END of reading "THIS BOOK", that thou shalt BIND A "STONE" TO IT, and CAST IT INTO the MIDST of EUPHRATES:
The STONE!
Romans 10:4 For CHRIST IS "THE END" of "THE LAW" for righteousness to every one that believeth.
HE IS "THE STONE" who was BOUND TO "THE BOOK" (BIND THE TESTIMONY) HE is the FULFILLMENT and HIM IN US
LO I COME it IS WRITTEN "OF ME" IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK
Romans 3:21 But NOW the righteousness of God WITHOUT THE LAW is MANIFESTED, "being WITNESSED" BY "the law and the prophets"
The SUM of THY WORD IS TRUTH
I AM "THE TRUTH"
HE SURE IS!!!
Daniel
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Hi Daniel, this made me think about bondage, the law; and the fear it brings.
But Christ is the end of the law, the end of bondage; and when He comes, fear is thrown out.
(Joh 12:15) `Fear not, daughter of Sion, lo, thy king doth come, sitting on an a@@' colt.'
(Rom 8:15) for ye did not receive a spirit of bondage again for fear, but ye did receive a spirit of adoption in which we cry, `Abba--Father.'
(2Ti 1:7) for God did not give us a spirit of fear, but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind;
(1Jo 4:18) fear is not in the love, but the perfect love doth cast out the fear, because the fear hath punishment, and he who is fearing hath not been made perfect in the love;
The Sum of the word is truth, He is truth. HE IS LOVE.
1Co 13:10 and when that which is perfect may come, then that which is in part shall become useless.
The stone had to be rolled away. He is the end of the law. YEHAAA. Move over, let LOVE/HIM take over.
Daniel:
Rocky your hearing the same joyful sound! :lol: AMEN BRO!!! The GRACE that shall come to us, the REVELATION of our FOR EVER BLESSED SAVIOUR who died for us and WHO COMES and MANIFESTS HIMSELF TO US! I''m behind you on that bro. The PERFECT COME to whom we look all else be done away in our experience and the FULNESS of GOD. Being made PERFECT IN LOVE (GOD).
What a time of inexpressible and glorious joy, and power in THAT.
Great verses Rocky, LO I COME. Its ME I AM the TRUTH and the TRUTH MANIFESTED IN US, not in word only but DEED and POWER. WITHOUT HIM we can DO NOTHING :D Faith worketh by LOVE and the labouring TOGETHER WITH GOD IN LOVE IS WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT.
The EXCELLENCY OF HIM our HOPE OF GLORY :D :D :D
Now HE is "something" to get EXCITED ABOUT :wink:
Blessings
Daniel
Daniel:
Jennifer I missed you back there :lol:
Wonderful verses, just wonderful!
Daniel :D
chrissiela:
--- Quote ---Chrissie's input on Rev. 8 requires more meditation and prayer, however for Rev. 8:10 you might re-read Lake of Fire part 9, wherein Isa. 14:4 & 11 would indicate this proverb was addressed to the King of Babylon.
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Yes, I am familiar with the verse and the proverb taken up against the King of Babylon. However, I still see a relationship there to Satan; where is Satan’s seat? I was more specifically relating that verse to:
Luk 10:17-18 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.[/list:u]
--- Quote ---For Rev. 8:11 look at these witnesses: (I believe wormwood represents the aftereffects of immorality, injustice and unrighteousness.) Deut. 29:18 So let there not be among you a man, woman, family or tribe whose heart turns away today from the Lord our God to go and serve the gods of those nations. Let there not be among you a root bearing such bitter poison and wormwood. Deut. 29:19 If there is such a person, when he hears the words of this curse, he will bless himself secretly, saying to himself, "I will be all right, even though I will stubbornly keep doing whatever I feel like doing; so that I, although "dry" (sinful,) will be added to the "watered" (righteous.) Deut. 29:20 But the Lord will not forgive him. Rather, the anger and jealousy of the Lord will blaze up against that person.
The second witness is Amos 6:12 Do horses run on rock? Does one plow there with oxen? Yet you have turned justice into poison and the fruit of righteousness into bitter wormwood.
The third witness would be Prov. 5:3-4 For the lips of a woman who is a stranger drop honey, her mouth is smoother than oil; but in the end she is as bitter as wormwood, sharp as a double edged sword.
The fourth witness would be Jer. 23:15 Therefore, this is what the Lord of Hosts says concerning this prophets: "I will feed them bitter wormwood and make them drink poisonous water, for ungodliness has spread through the land fro the prophets of Jerusalem."
Grace be with you.
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All a result of serving the lusts of the flesh, which is what Satan dines on, right?
Wormwood (la‛ănâh) means curse or to curse and what do we know about Satan?
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:[/list:u]
Even the ground (earth) was cursed because of Adam’s transgression. And where did this star called wormwood fall from and to? That is what I was looking at and considering when I mentioned Satan in relation to the star falling from heaven (called wormwood)… but really I was asking more about the ‘third part’.
There is lots of stuff about the ‘third part’ in the scriptures. Some having to do with the temple sacrifices, that verse about God bringing ‘the third part’ through the fire and making them His people and the verses in Revelation.
I was looking at all the things that are addressed or that happen to the ‘third part’ prior to the LAST three sounds of the trumpet (called “woes� to the earth), and wondering how they tie into ‘the third part’ that God BRINGS THROUGH THE FIRE and the four angels who are not allowed to release the winds from the four corners of the earth UNTIL GOD’S PEOPLE ON THE EARTH ARE SEALED (even prior to last seal being opened)?
So just looking at this third part and what it means and how it relates to those verses in Zec.
When the Lord comes He comes with judgment (fire), right? And judgment has begun at the house of God, for that is who He comes to first, right?
Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
Joh 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
Rom 13:11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
2Co 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
Col 1:26 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.[/list:u]
What does the third part in Zec and/or in Rev have to do with these verse?
Heb 12:6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:[/list:u]
Just some things I am looking at and trying to work out…. :wink:
Chrissie
jennifer:
Daniel,
I had some further witnesses for your post on Rev. 16:12. "Considering the water thereof":
1st witness is Rev. 17:15-He continued, the waters you saw, where the great whore sat enthroned, represent nations, populations, races and languages.
2nd witness is Isa. 57:20-The wicked are like the restless sea--unable to be still, it's waters toss up mud and dirt.
Rev. 16:12 "was dried up":
1st witness is Jer. 50:38-A drought hangs over her waters; they will be dried up. For this is a land of idols; they go mad over these horrors of theirs.
2nd witness is Matt. 13:19-Whoever hears the message about the Kingdom, but doesn't understand it, is like seed sown along the path-the Evil One comes and seizes what was sown in his heart.
Considering next, kings of the east "prepared":
1st witness is Isa. 13:4 Listen! A tumult on the mountains-it sounds like a vast multitude! Listen! The uproar of the kingdoms of the nations gathering together! The Lord of Hosts is mustering an army for war.
2nd witness is Isa. 13:5 They come from a distant land, from beyond the horizon, the Lord with the weapons of his wrath, to lay the whole earth waste.
Considering next, and the four angels which were "prepared":
1st witness is Jer. 49:36-I shall bring four winds against Elam from the four quarters of heaven; I shall scatter them to all these winds, and there will be no nation to which the exiles from Elam do not go.
2nd witness is Zech. 2:6-Away, away! Flee from the land of the north, says the Lord, for I have dispersed you to the four winds of heaven, says the Lord.
3rd witness is Zech. 2:7-Away! Escape you people of Zion who live in Babylon.
4th witness is Matt. 24:31-With a trumpet blast he will send out his angels, and they will gather his chosen from the four winds, from the farthest bounds of heaven on everyside.
Chrissie,
Looking at Zech. 13:9-And I will bring THE THIRD PART through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I WILL SAY, IT IS MY PEOPLE; AND THEY SHALL SAY, THE LORD IS MY GOD.
Here's what I notice: The phrase "THE THIRD PART" is shown in Zech. 13:8-In time, throughout that land, says the Lord, "two-thirds of those in it will be destroyed--they will die, but one-third will remain.
Breaking down Zech. 13:9 into bites, I will give you the appropriate witnesses (as I see them):
THE THIRD PART through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined:
1st witness is Isa. 48:10-"Look, I have refined you, but not (as severely) as silver; (rather) I have tested you in the furnace of affliction.
And will try them as gold:
1st witness is 1 Pet. 1:6-Rejoice in this, even though for a little while you may have to experience grief in various trials.
2nd witness is 1 Pet. 1:7-Even gold is tested for genuineness by fire. The purpose of these trials is so that your trust's genuiness, which is far more valuable than perishable gold, will be judged worthy of praise, glory and honor at the revealing of Christ the Messiah.
They shall call on my name and I will hear them:
1st witness is Ps. 50:15-and call on me when you are in trouble; I will deliver you; and you will honor me.
2nd witness is Zech. 10:6-I will strengthen the house of Judah and save the house of Joseph. I will bring them back in my compassion for them; they be as if I hadn't driven them out; for I am the Lord their God, and I will answer them.
I will say it is my people and they shall say, the Lord is my God.:
1st witness is Jer. 30:22-You will be my people, and I will be your God."
2nd witness is Ezek. 11:19 & 20-"And I will give them unity of heart. I will put a new spirit among you. I will remove from their bodies the hearts of stone and give them hearts of flesh; Ezek. 11:20-so that they will live by my regulations, obey my rulings and act by them. Then they will be my people, and I will be their God.
Grace be with you both.
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