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jennifer:
Hey Chrissie,
It's no trouble at all sharing God's word. Keep the questions coming!!! I'm learning more each time I search again for the answers to questions.
There is so much wisdom and understanding to be gleaned, and we can only take in so much food at a time for digestion.
Anyways, this is in answer to your post of today, at 11:36 am.
Are the words in parenthesis yours or are they in the translation that you are using?
They are in the translation. I am using the Complete Jewish Bible that has the translation of the NT from the ancient Greek originals. It doesn't use any Christian Old Testament because Christians modify the Masoretic text with information gleaned from the Septuagint and other versions.
My secondary Bible is the KJV from 1891.
To your question as to whether there is a difference between being tried as silver and being tried as gold:
Yes. Silver has other metals in it and requires more fire to burn out the dross, gangue and scummy foreign matter which is done in a crucible. Gold, however, is called a nobel metal as it occurs naturally with no impurities, and therefore is fired in a furnace.
Here's some interesting witnesses: Prov. 17:3-The crucible (tests) silver, and the furnace (tests) gold, but the one who tests hearts is God.
Prov. 27:21-The crucible (tests) silver, and the furnace (tests) gold, but a person (is tested) by (his reaction to) praise.
Contrast this with the wicked judged as dross:
Ezek. 22:18-Human being, the house of Isra'el has become an alloy of base metals for me; they are all copper, tin, iron and lead mixed together in the crucible, the dross left over from the silver.
Ezek. 22:20-Then, just as they collect silver, copper, iron, lead and tin into a crucible and blow fire on it to melt it down; so likewise I will collect you in my anger and fury, throw you in there and melt you down.
Ezek. 22:21-Yes, I will collect you and blow on you with the fire of my rage, and you will be melted down in it.
Here's a couple more:
Ps. 119:119-You discard the wicked of the earth like slag; this is why I love your instruction.
Prov. 25:4,5-Remove the impurities from the silver, and the smith has material to make a vessel. Remove the wicked from the king's presence, and his throne will rest firmly on righteousness.
Regarding your comment:
WOW!!Maybe being tried WITH silver DOES make sense??
Don't you mean tried AS silver?
Regarding your two scriptures:
Psa 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou has tried us, as silver is tried. & Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.
It is worded in my CJB thus: Psa. 66:10-For you, God, have tested us, refined us as silver is refined. Job 23:10-Yet he knows the way I take; when he has tested me, I will come out like gold.
Here's one I find inspiring:
2 Sam. 22:31-As for God, his way is perfect, the word of God has been tested by fire; he shields all who take refuge in him.
Grace be with you.
orion77:
Very good thread, been reading and learning while watching.
I have a question for you Jennifer. The Complete Jewish Bible, is it available to download online anywhere? I've never heard of that one.
God bless,
Gary
chrissiela:
--- Quote from: jennifer ---Hey Chrissie,
It's no trouble at all sharing God's word. Keep the questions coming
I'm learning more each time I search again for the answers to questions.
There is so much wisdom and understanding to be gleaned, and we can only take in so much food at a time for digestion.
--- End quote ---
Jennifer, thanks again. As I said the questions were rhetorical and I didn't mean for you to go digging for the answers. But I am glad that you getting something out of doing that. That's GREAT!! I am sure others are as well. And the more witnesses the merrier!! So dig away. :lol: :lol:
--- Quote ---Anyways, this is in answer to your post of today, at 11:36 am.
Are the words in parenthesis yours or are they in the translation that you are using?
They are in the translation. I am using the Complete Jewish Bible that has the translation of the NT from the ancient Greek originals. It doesn't use any Christian Old Testament because Christians modify the Masoretic text with information gleaned from the Septuagint and other versions.
My secondary Bible is the KJV from 1891.
--- End quote ---
Thank you. I think my mother has that Bible. I have wanted to borrow it, but haven't done so yet. I so love e-sword and studying that way. I'll have to check to see if that is available online.
--- Quote ---To your question as to whether there is a difference between being tried as silver and being tried as gold:
Yes. Silver has other metals in it and requires more fire to burn out the dross, gangue and scummy foreign matter which is done in a crucible. Gold, however, is called a nobel metal as it occurs naturally with no impurities, and therefore is fired in a furnace.
Here's some interesting witnesses: Prov. 17:3-The crucible (tests) silver, and the furnace (tests) gold, but the one who tests hearts is God.
Prov. 27:21-The crucible (tests) silver, and the furnace (tests) gold, but a person (is tested) by (his reaction to) praise.
Contrast this with the wicked judged as dross:
Ezek. 22:18-Human being, the house of Isra'el has become an alloy of base metals for me; they are all copper, tin, iron and lead mixed together in the crucible, the dross left over from the silver.
Ezek. 22:20-Then, just as they collect silver, copper, iron, lead and tin into a crucible and blow fire on it to melt it down; so likewise I will collect you in my anger and fury, throw you in there and melt you down.
Ezek. 22:21-Yes, I will collect you and blow on you with the fire of my rage, and you will be melted down in it.
Here's a couple more:
Ps. 119:119-You discard the wicked of the earth like slag; this is why I love your instruction.
Prov. 25:4,5-Remove the impurities from the silver, and the smith has material to make a vessel. Remove the wicked from the king's presence, and his throne will rest firmly on righteousness.
--- End quote ---
Thank you.
--- Quote ---Regarding your comment:
WOW!!Maybe being tried WITH silver DOES make sense??
Don't you mean tried AS silver?
--- End quote ---
No, I did mean “with�. As I said, the translation that I was using (KJV) used the word “with� in that verse in Isa, which made no sense to me until I read the other verse about the pure word of the Lord being "as silver". That's why I mused about that making sense then, after all... Being tried WITH silver (the pure word of the Lord)?? Get it?? :lol: Sorry! :oops: :oops:
--- Quote ---Regarding your two scriptures:
Psa 66:10 For thou, O God, hast proved us: thou has tried us, as silver is tried. & Job 23:10 But he knoweth the way that I take: when he hath tried me, I shall come forth as gold.
It is worded in my CJB thus: Psa. 66:10-For you, God, have tested us, refined us as silver is refined. Job 23:10-Yet he knows the way I take; when he has tested me, I will come out like gold.
Here's one I find inspiring:
2 Sam. 22:31-As for God, his way is perfect, the word of God has been tested by fire; he shields all who take refuge in him.
Grace be with you.
--- End quote ---
Thanks,
Grace be with you, too.
Chrissie
jennifer:
Hi Orion77,
The CJB is produced by Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc. I only could find it at Barnes & Noble, a bookstore here in Michigan. You can go on their website and order: www.bn.com.
Grace be with you.
chrissiela:
Gary (or anyone else interested):
The CJB is available at: Crosswalk.com
Still looking for a module for download that would work in e-sword.
Is is available for palm or pocket pc Here
Chrissie
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