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iamsaves:
--- Quote from: e. ---If God CAUSES every choice I make, then surely it's up to Him to CAUSE me to change from this into that... what strenght or power do I really have to change my own life!!??!?!?)
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Answer: You have whatever strength and power that our Heavenly Father gives you to change you life, or cast away your delusion of free will.
Our Heavenly Father has complete dominion over his creation, and, of course, His creation includes us, and our wills, and our choices. So, given that our Heavenly Father is sovereign over these things you might think that our choices are not ours to make, i.e. that we don’t own our choices. Not so. Our choices belong to us because our Heavenly Father both gives them to us and holds us accountable to them. Not fair you say? Why would our Heavenly Father cause us to choose to sin and do evil and then hold us accountable for our sinful and evil choices? If you have the feeling, or the thought, of unfairness in the disposition of your choices and your accountability to those choices then you are not as yet given to be free from your delusion of free will. Free will is a delusion, or an idol of the heart, given to us by our Heavenly Father for his plan and purpose. When we believe that our wills are free we knowingly, or unknowingly, believe that our wills and choices are sovereign over our Heavenly Father. So, why would our Heavenly Father want us to abide, if only for a time, in such a state of delusion and corruption? Again, we are given these things for His plan and purpose, not ours. If our Heavenly Father gives us the delusion of free will then he is also giving us the delusion of distance or separation from Him. When our Heavenly Father chooses to give us the truth of these things he takes away our delusions of separation and draws us to Him.
May our Savior's Peace and Grace be with you.
Timothy
John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not; if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
gmik:
ok. Confession time. Here is what I am struggling with.
I do see it in scripture that God created Evil and Satan can do nothing that God doesn't direct him to do. First, correct me if I am wrong on this point.
I have a hard time telling people Hey God is Great and isn't sending anyone to hell!!! Yeaaaa. Oh, but He does give Susie cancer, and He did make Hitler kill 6 million, oh yes, he causes floods, plagues, divorces, pimples, child porn etc etc etc.......
Help me on this. I don't like thinking this way. I actually related to one of Longhorns post!!
I guess I don't get why God didn't just have us clay be good.
I have read and re read Ray and Mikes stuff (not that I remember it all or anything and can't certainly practice getting the beast off the throne) but I just can't get past this. It won't help for you to tell me Well, its not just my time to see. I agree with 100% of everything I have read here. |It has changed my life.
I just don't get this! Help! :?
carol v:
Gena,
I am very interested in an answer to your questions too. I have asked it this way -- I understand why we have to know evil to know good and choose good, BUT why does EVIL have to be quite so EVIL?
I also wonder about the huge difference in our fleshly existence...can I as a spoiled American even compare my trials and tribulations to those mothers and children in the Sudan...or a thousand other places.
Maybe someone with more wisdom will come along and help us on this.
Carol V
orion77:
http://bible-truths.com/lake2.html
Ray answers these questions in this article with loads of scripture.
God bless,
Gary
Gill:
Hi Gena, Carol,
Yes, this is one of my difficult thoughts too. Humanity is given an experience of evil to humble them by it ...but there's humbling, and then there's humbling. We are all made subject to vanity so that we can all be made subject to hope ~ but is our own experience of vanity the same as everyone elses? And will our own personal experience of hope be the same as everyone elses? I can only hope that those who've experienced such awful lives of unimaginable sufferings will find the manifestation of God's love within them all the more glorious. Along the same lines of these scriptures in relation to sin:
Luk 7:40 And Jesus answering said unto him, `Simon, I have something to say to thee;' and he saith, `Teacher, say on.'
Luk 7:41 `Two debtors were to a certain creditor; the one was owing five hundred denaries, and the other fifty;
Luk 7:42 and they not having wherewith to give back, he forgave both; which then of them, say thou, will love him more?'
Luk 7:43 And Simon answering said, `I suppose that to whom he forgave the more;' and he said to him, `Rightly thou didst judge.'
Just some thoughts ...
Exactly how many 'stripes' of judgment is someone like this little girl going to need?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1102191.stm
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