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pets in God's kingdom
mharrell08:
I like Chris R's response to this very same subject (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4801.msg37042.html#msg37042):
--- Quote from: Chris R on June 29, 2007, 06:18:23 AM ---Hi folks,
I'm going to say a few words, then allow a few responces and then, lets move on.
The topic is reasonable enough, but is hypothetical at best. We endear ourselves to animals like pets, because in some ways they take on human traits, they remind us of ourselves, but what are they thinking?..I haven't a clue. "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."[1Cor 15:39]
But this subject can also turn into a debate, but to what end? All we will have a the end of this thread, is the same questions that we had at the beginning of the thread.
Peace
Chris R
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And like Ray says, the scriptures don't really say too much.
I don't have a preference either way as I never had a pet and pets of others have never bothered me; but we still should not let this turn into an idol of the heart or a basis for unscriptural assumptions; for either side of the discussion.
One cannot press upon another to say pets will not be in the Kingdom for the very reason that one cannot press upon another that pet will be: the scriptures do not state, defiantly, for either cause.
But I will say this: Would one feel complete in the glory of the Kingdom of God without their pet or would one need their pet to feel complete in the glory of the Kingdom of God? One might want to spend time meditating on that before answering too quickly.
Like I've said, I've never had a pet but for those with one, just something to think about...
Marques
hillsbororiver:
Hi Marquis,
You and Chris can have the last word on this as I will bow out, I attempted to provide some scripture as well as the patterns described throughout the bible.
This subject was brought up in "Off Topics" so as has been the tradition here in my past experience more lattitude has been provided for thoughts and speculation, as I do not want to be a stumbling block providing and prostrating myself before "idols of the heart" this will be my last post.
Peace,
Joe
Samson:
--- Quote from: mharrell08 on March 17, 2009, 05:02:05 PM ---I like Chris R's response to this very same subject (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4801.msg37042.html#msg37042):
--- Quote from: Chris R on June 29, 2007, 06:18:23 AM ---Hi folks,
I'm going to say a few words, then allow a few responces and then, lets move on.
The topic is reasonable enough, but is hypothetical at best. We endear ourselves to animals like pets, because in some ways they take on human traits, they remind us of ourselves, but what are they thinking?..I haven't a clue. "All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds."[1Cor 15:39]
But this subject can also turn into a debate, but to what end? All we will have a the end of this thread, is the same questions that we had at the beginning of the thread.
Peace
Chris R
--- End quote ---
And like Ray says, the scriptures don't really say too much.
I don't have a preference either way as I never had a pet and pets of others have never bothered me; but we still should not let this turn into an idol of the heart or a basis for unscriptural assumptions; for either side of the discussion.
One cannot press upon another to say pets will not be in the Kingdom for the very reason that one cannot press upon another that pet will be: the scriptures do not state, defiantly, for either cause.
But I will say this: Would one feel complete in the glory of the Kingdom of God without their pet or would one need their pet to feel complete in the glory of the Kingdom of God? One might want to spend time meditating on that before answering too quickly.
Like I've said, I've never had a pet but for those with one, just something to think about...
Marques
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Thanks Marques,
A balanced answer indeed, the Scriptures are essentially silent on the matter. Also, I have and have
had Pets in the past. I can recall two Cats from many years ago and feel no sorrow or emotional attachment to them.
The current Cats in my possession are loved, but I'm closer to one of them. I don't know exactly where the Scripture
that I'm about to make mention of is located, but it essentially says that God is going to satisfy the desire of every living thing. God is going to wipe out our tears and sorrow, so whatever he has in store for us specifically, we will be
totally happy, whether we have Pets from the past or not. Just my thoughts. Your(Marques) response is basically
where my mindset lies and I like some animals.
Kind Regards, Samson.
SandyFla:
--- Quote from: hillsbororiver on March 17, 2009, 04:27:20 PM ---Please bear with me if I have made too much of an issue about this topic but I must admit that I have a very strong bond with the animals God has generously put in my journey and I cannot imagine He would have created such wonderful companions only to dispose of them like used Kleenex.
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Amen, Joe! Our beloved pets -- and all wildlife, for that matter -- are too beautiful to be annihilated, IMHO.
Sandy
Patrick:
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--- Quote from: Ray ---
I really hate answering hypothetical questions. Five minutes ago while having my coffee and watching the morning news, Chris Wallace asked Jim Baker, "IF the President were to put YOU in charge of negotiations between the US and Iran, how would you go about it?" Mr. Baker said: "The President won't put me in charge, so I won't be doing any negotiations." When asked a second time, he replied, "I don't answer hypothetical questions.."
I have seen people backed into corners over hypothetical questions. Not that you are doing that, but if I were to put some "limitation" on the amount of force to be used in this hypothetical family attack, let's say "hypothetically 5 pounds" of force, then the question would be, "But what if the situation required 5 pounds and 1 ounce to be administered?" What about 5 pounds and 2 ounces? 3 ounces? What if it were a situation in which one had to shoot a person in the head with a 57 Magnum or your whole family would die? Would you shoot him? What if your family would die and the whole city with them, unless you personally would SHOOT this person? "What if one shot in the head would SAVE THE WHOLE WORLD, would you do it, Ray?"
You know what? I don't think I want to answer hypothetical questions either. God said that we should not try to rehearse in our minds just what we would say if brought before a board of persecutors, neither do I think we need to try and rehearse what we would do if someone broke into our home. You don't know what you would do, number one, and most would not follow my advice anyway, number two. Jesus didn't say: "If a bully strikes your little girl on her right check, turn to him the left cheek of your daughter also," now did He? Although, someone will now probably ask, "But what would you do, Ray, if that happened?" You know it is possible to physically defend oneself and one's family without "hating" the offender.
Trust me when I say that if it has not yet happened, it will, when your faith with be tried in a way that is just between you and your God, and there won't even be time to send me an email. Bottom line: Don't try to come up with 'hypothetical' situations in which you think that the laws of God and the ways of God would not be fair, or practical, or logical, and therefore would have to be changed, altered, or just totally thrown away as useless in practical, real life situations.
The shame is that many people who have used alternative measures to God's ways, and have failed in so doing, will never know how things would have been different had they just trusted God in the first place. It is oh so true, that "we learn obedience by the things WE SUFFER."
God be with you,
Ray
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This email is not directly related, nevertheless, I think it fits in here.
Just trust in God!
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