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pets in God's kingdom
indianabob:
Friend Jim (buckhunter)
No I don't believe that we will see our old pets in the kingdom.
Resurrection is for God's children, being made in His image and conformed to His character, it is special.
With that in mind, your character and understanding and strength of purpose when resurrected in the Kingdom will be such that you will be able to LOVE in a perfect way. If there are pets for the elect of God we will be able to direct our love toward new pets in a much greater way than in our present human capacity. The old memories we once cherished will be replaced by new day to day experiences of one who will never again die. What God has reserved for us is so much greater than the memories of old as to be incomparable.
Indiana Bob
--- Quote from: buckhunter on March 07, 2009, 03:13:35 PM ---Just curious-will we who are in the first resurection be able to resurrect our pets? My wife and I have a couple of dogs that we love and I was wondering if there will be "spiritual" pets in God's kingdom. I know Ray is partial to cats but has never mentioned anything about them. I haven't posted in a while but am still here. I also received an e-mail from Ray after Dennis told how sick he was.
Jim C.
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hillsbororiver:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on March 07, 2009, 03:22:26 PM ---Jim C,
Hello, here is an email to Ray on said question.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3933.0.html
Hi Mr. Smith: I've lost my two precious Boston Terriers within the past 3 years and I miss them so much. Do our pets go to heaven? Do they go anywhere?
Thank you,
Cyndy Black
Dear Cyndy:
No, pets do not go to heaven, when they die and neither do we. The dead don't go anywhere. This is just another pagan doctrine of the Church. All consciousness ends at death. However, no one knows that they are dead. We all will, to some degree, go through or experience dying, by no one will ever experience death itself, as we have this Scriptural assurance: "The living know that they shall die, but the dead know not ANYTHING." (Ecc. 9:5). The ONLY hope of the dead is the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD. This has been in our Bibles for many centuries, but the Church denies it, hence it is not taught as an important doctrine.
At death, our spirit returns to God, but the spirit has not consciousness. The consciousness is called "soul," but the soul dies at death, and the body returns to the dust. In resurrection God puts our spirit back into a NEW body and we once again experience soul--life and animation.
We are told nothing regarding our pets except this; " For that which befalls the sons of men befalls beasts; even one thing befalls them: as the one dies, so dies the other;yes, they have all one breath; so that a man has no preeminence above a beast for all is vanity. All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again. Who knows [whether] the spirit of man [men] goes upward, and [whether] the spirit of the beast goes downward to the earth?" (Ecc. 3:19-21).
Now you know as much as I do. I too lost my favorite cat a year ago.
God be with you,
Ray
Peace...Mark
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Hello Brothers & Sisters,
This topic has been rolling around in my mind the past few days and it actually came up in phone conversations I have had with a couple other members recently.
Alluding to "eye hath not seen...." (Isa 64:4, 1Cor 2:9) what scriptures prohibit the idea that the good things God has provided for us on our journey in this flesh will not also enhance our peace, pleasure and satisfaction in the spiritual life which awaits us albeit on a spiritual level/fulfilment rather than a temporary (physical/natural) shadow of what is to come? Will there be no music, no flowers, no fruit bearing trees, no majestic landscapes, no pleasant aromas, sights, tastes, etc.
To me what is written in scripture does not exclude anything we might hope for it only says we cannot imagine how wonderful His plan and purpose is for us. Doesn't He promise to wipe away ALL TEARS?
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes (ever shed tears for an animal?); and there shall be no more death (are only animals still dead?), neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain (I still have sorrow for all the cats, dogs, etc. that I loved and eventually died): for the former things are passed away (no more death, period).
As a child I vividly remember wondering about how even ants knew what they were doing, why do they walk in a single file line never seeming to deviate from what their goal or mission is, how do they communicate, how do they even know what they are supposed to be doing, I actually used to wish I could be one of them for a time to understand this incredible military type of purpose they display. I would look at the neighbor's and my parents gardens, both the flowers and vegetables and be fascinated how a seed buried in the spring could produce a plant and ultimately a flower or food in the summer or fall, I would look at our kitten or puppy and fervently desire to know how they saw me, what they thought and how they viewed their surroundings......
Will God some day grant my quest or desire for this knowledge?
I am not saying or even speculating that these will be physical, earthly types of experiences, what I have been presently wondering about is will these gifts that make life more interesting and give us relief from our day to day trials and tribulations be totally done away with? Are these pleasant works from Him only a diversion and not a shadow of good and better things to come?
Just imagine at some point in the next age (or beyond) if you could speak into existence a pet from your former life to bring back as an immortal spiritual creature who both remembers you and is still totally content to just be in your presence, if we can imagine it then it is certainly not beyond His power to fulfil it.
Remember this is in "Off Topics" so please take it as it is intended, not a teaching just the ramblings of of a middle aged man who still feels like a child in many regards.... having WAY more questions than answers. ;)
Peace,
Joe
SandyFla:
I believe my cats will be resurrected. There are verses that say the lion shall lie down with the lamb, also mentioning other creatures, so I take that to mean my "girls" will be welcome into God's kingdom.
I lost Bethany last April and Twinkles on February 24. Never seeing them again is not an option to me.
BTW, the pretty little girl in my profile is Gracie, my newest kitty. Isn't she beautiful? :) Or maybe I'm just partial. ;)
Sandy
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: SandyFla on March 10, 2009, 09:59:24 PM ---I believe my cats will be resurrected. There are verses that say the lion shall lie down with the lamb, also mentioning other creatures, so I take that to mean my "girls" will be welcome into God's kingdom.
I lost Bethany last April and Twinkles on February 24. Never seeing them again is not an option to me.
BTW, the pretty little girl in my profile is Gracie, my newest kitty. Isn't she beautiful? :) Or maybe I'm just partial. ;)
Sandy
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--- Quote ---There are verses that say the lion shall lie down with the lamb, also mentioning other creatures,
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Sandy,here are verses of which you speak of.Profoundly Spiritual in nature.
1Samuel 17:34 And David said unto Saul, Thy servant kept his father's sheep, and there came a lion, and a bear, and took a lamb out of the flock:
Isaiah 11:6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith Jehovah.
Peace...Mark
buckhunter:
Thanks Joe-this is a reply I was hoping to hear. And thanks to all the others who took the time to reply.
Jim
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