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What part of this Book is not for you?
EZE:
SOTW - an affadavid of what?
Looks like the BT Admin/Gestapo have pulled Andrews posts off, he's probably been banned from this forum ala SteveB.
I'm guessing I won't be too far behind.
EZE
Becky:
are they going to ban us all for asking?... just a question.... :|
rocky:
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--- Quote --- Mike:
After visiting your site regarding the upcoming Conference in Michigan, I see that you are planning to teach that the Elect will all have to go through the Seven Last Plagues. I have already told you that I believe this to be unscriptural. The elect assuredly DO NOT go through the Seven Last Plagues. God, in fact, gives assurance, that if His people will "COME OUT OF HER MY PEOPLE, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive NOT OF HER PLAGUES" (Rev. 18:4). The only way that you can put the Elect through the Seven Last Plagues, is to "add to" or "take away from" this plain Scripture stating that those who come OUT OF HER (the Elect) will NOT receive of her plagues.
"For God has NOT appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ" (I Thes. 5:9). The Seven Last Plagues fill up "the WRATH of the Lamb" (Rev. 6:17), and the Elect are NOT APPOINTED TO WRATH. What are the Elect appointed to? They are appointed to "afflictions and tribulation," (I Thes. 3:3-4), not the WRATH OF GOD (I Thes. 5:9). What part of the word "not" do you not understand?
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Is it possible that both Ray and Mike are right? Might I expand on the scriptures quoted, in a teaching of comparison, and see if additional light might not be shed upon this dilemma.
Did Israel go through the Plagues of Egypt? Yes! Was she touched by them? No! Did not Shadrack, Meshach and Abednego go through the wrath of the firey furnace, of King Nebuchadnezzar? Were they harmed or was the smell of smoke even upon them? No! Are we not admonished to be in the world and yet not of the world. So also, can one be in the church and yet not of the church. The church by definiton is the called out ones, and we don't do the calling...God does. But aren't the nomial believers still part of 'the church'? But to become a chosen or elect one is not of his calling but of our doing....after His calling.
MAT 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called (kletos/saints), but few chosen (eklektos: select; by impl. favorite).
Do the overcomers (chosen ones) overcome by leaving…or by not partaking of her sins and blasphemies...by cleaning up their act in obedient sanctification.
There are those in the church who are living ‘in Christed’ and in the heavenlies. They are also those who are led by the Spirit of God and are therefore Sons of god (Rom 8:14). But there are also those in the church who are 'in Christ' and living at the earthly realm, far below the position that comes to those who press in to the high calling of Christ (Phi 3:14). But they are not 'the elect' because they have not cleansed themselves to be chosen and honorable vessels (2Ti 2:21).
REV 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive/lambano not of her plagues.
The word for receive in this verse is not saying what it superficially seems to be saying. This word 'lambano' indicates 'a self prompted taking' of something. Whereas the other Greek word usually translated receive is 'decomai'. It means a passive reception of something. Those who are going to partake of the plagues will be those who have taken/received them because they haven't pressed into the high calling. But those who have will be allowed to go through them...and yet without being touched by them.
Is this a possibility. Could both, Ray and Mike, be half right and yet half wrong?
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Thanks for the post it helped me realize, as with the plagues; all went through the plagues, some hurt by it, some not., but all went through it at the same time. Same with Shadrack story, some hurt, some not; same fire, same time.
Lake of fire is now, some hurt by it, some not???
Th wrath of God is now, not only in the future? The lake of fire is now, not only in the future? I see those not being hurt in the second death as happening now, and some are being hurt by the second death now. Is this how u see it?
Is, was and will be.
mercie:
Is not The Book ( Christ) a book for Today , Yesterday and Tomorrow ?
Luk 7:21 And in that same hour he cured many of [their] infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many [that were] blind he gave sight.
Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory
Mat 13:4 And when he sowed, some [seeds] fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
Mat 13:6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away
Mar 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
Mar 4:16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
Mar 4:17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
why?
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
That which has Not been Planted shall be rooted Up
Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Pro 2:22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
Deu 29:28 And the LORD rooted them out of their land in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as [it is] this day.
rocky:
--- Quote from: mercie ---Is not The Book ( Christ) a book for Today , Yesterday and Tomorrow ?
Luk 7:21 And in that same hour he cured many of [their] infirmities and plagues, and of evil spirits; and unto many [that were] blind he gave sight.
Rev 16:8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
Rev 16:9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory
Mat 13:4 And when he sowed, some [seeds] fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
Mat 13:6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away
Mar 4:15 And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.
Mar 4:16 And these are they likewise which are sown on stony ground; who, when they have heard the word, immediately receive it with gladness;
Mar 4:17 And have no root in themselves, and so endure but for a time: afterward, when affliction or persecution ariseth for the word's sake, immediately they are offended.
why?
Eph 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Col 2:7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.
That which has Not been Planted shall be rooted Up
Mat 15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Pro 2:22 But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
Deu 29:28 And the LORD rooted them out of their land in anger, and in wrath, and in great indignation, and cast them into another land, as [it is] this day.
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Yes, is, was and will be. Today, Yesterday, and tomorrow
Seems to me that the lake of fire is not in the next Age, for those in this age who didn't overcome. Seems to me, the LOF is now, for those not overcoming, and they are hurt by it.
Fire is going on now for all, one not being hurt by it, one being hurt by it.
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