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aqrinc:

--- Quote from: jacobbsladdr on March 13, 2009, 03:14:09 PM ---My Aunt & Uncle used to attend a Tongue speaking Church.  I thought it was interesting that one of the Sunday school teachers took my cousin (who was 10 or so years old at the time) aside and said "Come on, we are going to TEACH you how to speak in tongues today"  

It's a farce.  People are basically given permission from their pastors to act like a idiot and claim God's holy Spirit is causing it.  What is holy about foaming at the mouth and falling on the floor with your eyes rolled in the back of your head screaming words you and everyone else in the Church have no clue to their meaning.  Pastors will scream from the pulpit that your praising God.  How did he hear every word from the 20 or more people who are acting in such a unGodly manner, falling on the floor or stretching their arms out and swaying back and forth?  Peoples vanity comes into play.  Plain and simple.  Each one wants to be more holy than the other so they try to out do each other by claiming they were moved by the Holy Spirit.  It's contagious.

Snake Charmers, Tongue Talkers, Catholics, Mormons, JW's, Baptists, etc all have their own form of claiming to be moved by God's Holy spirit when all that's being moved is peoples imaginations.  

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Amen to that brother,

That statement will ruffle a lot of feathers, but The Scriptures do support it.

Tit 1:7 
For it is necessary for a Bishop to be a man of virtue, as God's servant; not pushing himself forward, not quickly moved to wrath or blows, not desiring profit for himself;

Tit 1: 9-16
9  Keeping to the true word of the teaching, so that he may be able to give comfort by right teaching and overcome the arguments of the doubters.
10  For there are men who are not ruled by law; foolish talkers, false teachers, specially those of the circumcision,
Tit 1:11  By whom some families have been completely overturned; who take money for teaching things which are not right; these will have to be stopped.
12  One of their prophets has said, The men of Crete are ever false, evil beasts, lovers of food, hating work.
13  This witness is true. So say sharp words to them so that they may come to the right faith,
14  Giving no attention to the fictions of the Jews and the rules of men who have no true knowledge.
15  To the clean in heart all things are clean: but to those who are unclean and without faith nothing is clean; they become unclean in mind and in thought.
16  They say that they have knowledge of God, while by their acts they are turning their backs on him; they are hated by all, hard-hearted, and judged to be without value for any good work.

george. :)

Ninny:
I was watching tbn years ago and the pink haired lady, (Jan Crouch) was telling everyone to speak in their "Heavenly language" She said it so ethereally, you know, so softly like she was an actual angel speaking herself :P :P I'm telling you that I have been in deeply spiritual conversations with God and I have never been moved to speak in tongues! I guess it is because I was raised in the Nazarene Church and heaven forbid if anyone should get TOO spiritual back then!

When I was a teenager I went to the Pentecostal Holiness Church with some friends and WOW! I thought, "these people have taken a vacation from reality!" Running up and down the isles just babbling gibberish that even I as a young person knew couldn't have been from God! The thing that struck me most back then, and today I really don't even pay attention when I hear people doing it, was that the Bible says to avoid vain repetitions and when you hear it it is just like 3 or 4 syllables over and over again.

I have always been afraid to say too much for fear that what if it really IS from God and I am denying a gift of the Spirit? That's the kind of thing I guess you're programmed to fear when you are in the church!  ???
Kathy :-X

jg:
On the tongues topic, the church I use to attend had a speaker there "teaching" on tongues.  He took the word "utterred" , (can't remember the verse right now but it's something like "in words that can't be uttered)  and actually said the definition of the word meant, articulated.  I always thought that if something couldnt be uttered, then it couldnt be spoken outload.  Yet he tried to say that it meant you yourself wouldnt be able to make it up on your own.

After a lengthy explanation of what is suposed to happen when you're filled with the Spirit he invited everyone up front.  That's when he went into another "teaching" session on just how to speak in tongues. After that he coaxed those who went up to just "say whatever comes out."

  My thought was, if you have to teach someone how to do it, then it isn't of the Spirit of God.  That's when I decided it was time to leave, for good.  I havent been back. 

The preacher at that same church would break out into "tongues" at times while preaching, giving no interpretation, which the scriptures call for.  He usually did it when he was all worked up and really getting into it.  I've read what it says in God's Word about tongues and I knew he wasn't following the direction of how it was suposed to go.  So why do it if there's no reason for it, like an interpretation?  I believe he, and others like him, do it to make themselves feel spiritual, or to make themselves look spiritual to others.  If they can make you think they are more spiritual than you are, then you are more likely to believe them when they preach on things like tithing and eternal hell.  Its all about authority and "feelings." 

You know, I wish tongues were for today. I mean, we could all feel so spiritual when we did it.  But like someone else said, I can't rely on my feelings to know that God still loves me. Even when I let Him down and feel awful about falling short of the mark of the high calling, I have learned that He DOES still love me. Priceless....

Marky Mark:
jg, if you dont mind . An email to Ray :)

http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4162.0.html


> Dear Mr. L. Ray
    > what you wrote about speaking in tongues interests me , could
    > you please answer when you can my question i'm having trouble with. In cor. 14:2
    > , i'd like you to tell me what that means if you would, thank you for your time,
    > i know it's alot to ask you to stop and answer, but i would definately
    > appreciate it. God bless you
     
    Dear Readers:
    The overly-weak in the spirit Corinthians were given a marvelous gift of speaking in
    a language that they did not know. Now then, there was two ways this gift could be
    used: [1]  One could be selfish and "edify himself" (Verses 2 and 4) or he could use it
    to "prophesy [inspired speaking] to the "edification, and exhortation, and comfort" of
    the entire congregation, which REQUIRED AN INTERPRETER (Verse 5).
     
    Most Pentecostal "tongue talkers" don't even speak in a language, and they certainly
    do not edify the congregation.  This gift is like a father who has five sacks of grocery,
    but eats it all by himself not sharing any of it with his hungry family. Yes, HIS belly is
    filled, and HIS body is nourished, and HIS cravings are satisfied, but who care anything
    about HIS FAMILY?
     
    Listen: My article on speaking in tongues will not persuade one single person to give
    up this lust of the carnal mind. It takes a miracle from God.
     
    God be with you,
    Ray





Peace...Mark

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