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White Throne Judgement
aqrinc:
Hi Terry,
Being a long time forum member, you may have forgotten many of the first writings of Ray; that helped to open your eyes. One good thing is the (papers) are all still here, if you have any questions and can help with a short description we can together find answers or discuss it and learn more. Please by all means keep right on reading and asking as we learn together.
Paul expected to be one of the Our or We that he writes of below. Bold added by me.
1Th 2:19 (CLV)
For who is our expectation, or joy, or wreath of glorying? Or is it not even you, in front of our Lord Jesus, in His presence?
Here is the same information as Joe gave using the different Translations
1Th 4: 14-18 (LITV)
14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will also bring with Him all those who have fallen asleep through Jesus.
15 For we say this to you in the Word of the Lord, that we the living who remain to the coming of the Lord will not at all go before those who have fallen asleep.
16 Because the Lord Himself shall come down from Heaven with a commanding shout of an archangel's voice, and with God's trumpet. And the dead in Christ will rise again first.
17 Then we who remain alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds to a meeting with the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.
18 So, then, comfort each other with these words.
george. :)
Kat:
Hi Terry,
--- Quote ---I've always thought that all in Christ wheather before his birth or after would be in the first ressurection.
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Nobody 'before' Christ's birth could be reconciled to the Father, because it was only accomplished "through Jesus Christ."
2Co 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
Concerning your question;
--- Quote ---from the question above (How can the people of that day see Christ coming into his kingdom if there raised in the GWTJ after it happens ?
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I think this is somewhat a logistical question. Are you asking how will all the people on earth be able to actually see Christ at His return when He is descending to the earth.
Rev 1:7 Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
We might not understand how this will happen and it would only be speculation to suggest how that might take place. But I am certain God would not have made this statement if it was not to become a reality. We are only begun to have our eyes opened to these truth, there is no doubt great mysteries that are yet to be revealed that at this point we have no comprehension of.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
kenny:
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God be with you,
Ray
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Gen 1:26 And saying is the Elohim, "Make will We humanity in Our image, and according to Our likeness, and sway shall they over the fish of the sea, and over the flyer of the heavens, and over the beast, and over all land life, and over every moving animal moving on the land. (CLV)
Joh 4:24 God is spirit, and those who are worshiping Him must be worshiping in spirit and truth.(CLV)
2Th 2:2 that you be not quickly shaken from your mind, nor yet be alarmed, either through spirit, or through word, or through an epistle as through us, as that the day of the Lord is present."(CLV)
my friend
the SPIRIT is the answer, GOD IS ALWAYS POURING OUT HIS SPIRIT.
Act 2:17 And it shall be in the last days,' (God is saying) 'I shall be pouring out from My spirit on all flesh, And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your youths visions shall be seeing, And your elders dreams shall be dreaming,
Act 2:18 And surely on My men slaves and on My women slaves in those days shall I be pouring out from My spirit,' and they shall be prophesying."
Terry:
Thanks everyone for your replys i see now that i presented my question the wrong way as .
i understand the ressurection just as you explained it,so what i was really asking was a follow up on the question that Matt was asking.
This is the verse that Matt was asking his question about which i understand perfectly from Rays teaching.
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matts question was( What is this verse saying ? How can the people of that day see Christ coming into his kingdom if they're raised in the GWTJ after it happens ? )
Matt seems to be saying that the people of that day with Christ will be in the GWTJ,
This is what threw me a little as i understand that they which are a sleep in Christ and those which remain and are alive in Christ will be with him(at the first ressurection) at his coming and everyone else meaning everyone that didn't know Him will be in the GWTJ
If i'm not seeing this right i apoligize for the confusion and stirring up a hornets nest but if you don't ask you may never know and thats what we're here for to learn.
In His Love
Terry
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Terry on March 16, 2009, 08:37:49 AM ---Thanks everyone for your replys i see now that i presented my question the wrong way as .
i understand the ressurection just as you explained it,so what i was really asking was a follow up on the question that Matt was asking.
This is the verse that Matt was asking his question about which i understand perfectly from Rays teaching.
Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Matts question was( What is this verse saying ? How can the people of that day see Christ coming into his kingdom if they're raised in the GWTJ after it happens ? )
Matt seems to be saying that the people of that day with Christ will be in the GWTJ,
This is what threw me a little as i understand that they which are a sleep in Christ and those which remain and are alive in Christ will be with him(at the first ressurection) at his coming and everyone else meaning everyone that didn't know Him will be in the GWTJ
If i'm not seeing this right i apoligize for the confusion and stirring up a hornets nest but if you don't ask you may never know and thats what we're here for to learn.
In His Love
Terry
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Hello Terry,
I'll make a couple of points to help with any confusion:
1. Christ says there are 'some standing HERE' [disciples were 'standing here] who would not taste death until they see Him coming in His kingdom. Christ was not talking about the people of that day...only some of the disciples 'standing here'.
2. As Ray points out in the email that was posted in this same thread, this was fulfilled in the very next chapter, 17, when Peter, John, and James saw the vision of Christ being transfigured.
3. Also, John would later see 'signs and symbols' on the isle of Patmos which symbolized Christ coming to set up His kingdom [book of Revelation]. This also is a fulfillment of Christ's statements from Matt ch. 16.
4. This statement in bold is what Matt falsely assumed and is unscriptural...but I have talked to him since and he understands now.
Hope that helps,
Marques
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