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Meat / milk
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Falconn003 on March 23, 2009, 03:30:56 PM ---The point is knowing where we are, we can then decide to go on past the dead works, into maturity or keep going backwards.
Try this ....
The point is Rodger knowing where he is, Rodger can then decide to go on past the dead works, into maturity or keep going backwards.
The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak...... Faith, Strength, study, feeding in the Meat of the Word of God, etc.... all these free gifts of Grace are all compelling reasons to follow the VOICE into maturity but many who are called out of babylon are not the few chosen. Only God knows yes, and even still we are URGED to be obedient and immerse ourselves in study and living out the Word of God. amazing is it not.
We are all the examples ...... but each of us is moved by the SAME SPIRIT into maturity. If we are compelled by the Word of God to choose this path.
Cause and effect bro.....
Praise and Glory allways be to God
Rodger
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But like Craig says, we can't will our way off of milk...similar to a babe who is at the mercy of their parent and can only eat/drink what is provided.
Like you stated, the Lord knows who are His chosen and they will not be deceived...one cannot do anything to makes themselves one of the few in the same manner one cannot prevent themselves if that is what the Lord has ordained.
I'm still trying to understand the point of this thread in terms of the benefit for all the members. That is the point in receiving any spiritual knowledge...to help others, not for our own gain.
You started by comparing what it is to be on milk compared to meat...now what? How can members benefit if they do not receive any instruction on how, specifically, they are doing one or the other. For example, take this excerpt from Ray LOF #14 paper (http://bible-truths.com/lake14.html):
Christians claim that their bondage to physical commandments and traditions of men, are really spiritual.
* Some make an idol of the heart out of keeping the Saturday Sabbath;
* others make an idol of the heart out of claiming they are "tithing" when they give money to the church;
* others make an idol of the heart out of physical circumcision;
* others make an idol of the heart out of being baptized in the name of Jesus ONLY;
* others make an idol of the heart out of believing in the unscriptural teaching of a trinity or rapture,
* others make an idol of the heart out of demonic gibberish and tongues speaking;
* others make an idol of the heart out of drinking poison and handling poisonous snakes;
* others make an idol of the heart out of Christian Politics;
* others make an idol of the heart out of their own church affiliation or pastor or choir or a plethora of church activities;
* others (many) make an idol of the heart out of some pet, little-understood and little-believed Bible prophecy, which only they understand;
* others make an idol of the heart out of much speaking using spiritually-sounding words and phrases (of which they understand little or nothing);
* others make an idol of the heart out of joyfully condemning all those who do not subscribe to their brand of Christianity, to an eternal torture in hell fire (I am the brunt of a lot of these);
* and others just flat out worship themselves.
Ray has used this term 'idol of the heart' time before, but here, he gives 'specific examples' on how people do that. If he just continued to use that term without actually pointing any kind out, who would have benefited besides himself? That's all I was trying to ask of you.
I'm just seeing Craig's 2nd post in this thread and he pretty much sums up what I am thinking...thanks Craig (and Samson). :)
Marques
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Falconn003 on March 23, 2009, 04:18:06 PM ---Jesus whom i strife to follow, spoke in parables to which Ray even pointed this out, so that those babes did not know what Jesus was speaking of, but only to the 12 it is MEANT to be known.
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I'll be bringing this to the forum for a discussion in the near future but thank you for your response.
Marques
aqrinc:
Hi Marques and Craig,
Sorry i was away for a few hours, just now read the discussion that has been going on. To your repeated question about my comment:
Heb 6:1-3
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
The rest of this chapter goes on to explain exactly what is meant to each individual. Please see that there is no purpose other that to learn and grow in Jesus Christ. We have far too many contentious and heated arguments about learning and expressing ones understanding. Does someone have to just be silent when something more is open to them, this is how we fellowship with each other.
All of us must learn some humility; and stop stamping on anything that is different from our own understanding. The Scriptures Must Be our Only Arbiter of what is of GOD or of man.
1Co 7: 22-24 (WNT)
22 For a Christian, if he was a slave when called, is the Lord's freed man, and in the same way a free man, if called, becomes the slave of Christ.
23 You have all been redeemed at infinite cost: do not become slaves to men.
24 Where each one stood when he was called, there, brethren, let him still stand--close to God.
Ray Through The Spirit And Inspiration Of GOD; has given a solid foundation to work from, we, each individual must build on that foundation.
1Co 3: 4-15
4 For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
george. :)
--- Quote from: aqr on March 23, 2009, 10:24:08 AM ---Rodger,
I see, still dimly but i see why we need to be weaned of milk and get to learn meat eating. Thanks for putting into words what has been churning in my mind without me being able to formulate it properly.
Antaiwan,
The point is knowing where we are, we can then decide to go on past the dead works, into maturity or keep going backwards. It like the dance steps; 1 step forward, 2 steps backward, then tremble, what progress is there. Big question; why do we wean our children off milk as soon as possible ???:
Heb 5:12
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
Hebrews 6:1
Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,
george. :)
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Marlene:
Hello, Well, I have been reading.
Many verses talking about breastplat OT and NT
(WEY) Ephesians 6:14 Stand therefore, first fastening round you the girdle of truth and putting on the breast plate of righteousness.
(KJV) 1 Thes. Chapter 5 verse 8 But let us , who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet,the hope of salvation
I was thinking if men were in war and they fall to sleep they are going to be attacked good.
I know for me the times I was not spending my one on one time with God I often have fallen into sin.
He has had to deliver me.
I understand where Rodger is coming from. He just wanted us to use this to check our standing with Christ.
Now, the Holy Spirit has always got my conscience when I have fallen. It is not a nice feeling either.
We cannot trust man or anything but the Spirit of God. If, we do not know what is best. We should do nothing.
Before, coming in here the Holy Spirit of God got me good. Well, he decided to call me out of Babylon and grew me up fast. There is where I agree with Craig also. We are all at different levels. Sometimes we forget about wearing that breastplate. Thats, when we fall into temptation. So, I am grateful for Rodger mentioning that we should check ourselves and not fall to sleep. I still have a long ways to go.
Well, I know we do not have an idea if we are chosen. But, I will heed the advice not to sleep. The enemy will take us over.
Like Craig if we have all knowledge and nothing else we are in a world of hurt. But, if we have the spirit of god he will guide us to the finish line.If, not when the Chariots of Iron come we will be defeated. To me the Spirit of God is our breastplate. I know for me that one on one time with God keeps me straight.
I stay awake. The word is his sword and that is very important. So both are part of that breastplate. But, like Rodger this is a guideline where we are at. Are we sleeping some. Already this post has helped me. But, if we do fall God can deliver us out of it. Correct us put us back on the right path.
In His Love,
Marlene
So, if we negelct our time alone with God we may just start sleeping.
aqrinc:
Marlene,
When the iron chariots come we must be girted and ready. And since those are Spiritual iron chariots, we need to have put on the entire package of Spiritual Armour that is provided By GOD And Our Lord Jesus Christ; to be able to stand.
Eph 6: 10-18 (KJV)
10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;
george. ;D
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