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Change ?
Deborah-Leigh:
What is change, how does it occur, why we can not take any credit for it and why should we desire it?
Ray says : I had come to understand that we don’t have a free will I was that far along….but I was still not really changing my life.
Although Ray received a knowledge and comprehension of the Myth of Free Will, which many of us have still to fully grasp though others may have understood it easily, God gave Ray a desire for change.
Why do you think CHANGE is so important ?
You might find some pretty marvellous answers to this question where Ray expounds and also shares his experience with God at http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html
How do you see God is changing you?
Arc
Marlene:
Arc, I was reading that same article last night.
Why we should not take credit for change.
Ephesians Chapter 2
verse 5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by graced ye are saved;
vers6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus
verse 7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
verse 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God;
verse9 not of works, lest any man should boast
verse 10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Why, should we want change. We need to change repent and turn away from sin. We, are going to be made into the Image of God and that requires change.
Ephesians Chapter 2 verse 13But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
verse 14 For he is our peace, we hath made both one and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
verse 15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordiances for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
verse 16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby
verse 17 and came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
verse 18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father
verse19 Now therefore ye are not more strangers and foreigners, but fellow-citizens with the saints and of the household of God
verse 20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
verse 21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord;
verse 22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
If, we don't change and continue to live in sin we are not his
Ephesians Chapter 5
verse 8 For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord; walk as children of light.
verse 9 For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth
verse 10 Proving what is acceptable unto the Lord.
The whole process of the article is all one. With out all parts of it we are missing a step we need to take on the road to being made in his Image.
In His Love,
Marlene
aqrinc:
Hi Arc,
Real change comes when we have been led to true Repentance By GOD, as Ray teaches in:
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html
Here is a link to a previous discussion thread on repentance we had back in february; Below is the first post:
Excerpt from Repentance: http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,9389.0.html
This topic was addressed by Ray a while ago. At the time i read it my thoughts were,
i already have read the Bible many times; so what is the big deal. Well the big deal is
reading, and then doing, the things that Ray counselled have really been a huge deal.
This is not for stories or confessions but to ask any member that has listened to the
audio and read this paper completely. Has it made a difference in your understanding
and discernmernt of The Scriptures. For me it is an emphatic yes, i would love to get
some feedback from others.
Mat 3: 1-2
1 In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea,
2 and saying, Repent, for the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Mat 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach and to say, Repent! For the kingdom of Heaven is at hand.
Mat 11:20
Then He began to upbraid the cities in which most of His mighty works were done, because they did not repent.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.msg27923.html#msg27923
Excerpt from: Repentance----- Nashville Conference 2005
Who knows what the first word was that Jesus Christ said in his ministry? According to Matthew it was, “Repent.” So if that’s the first word out of our Savior’s mouth, maybe we ought to look at it a little bit…
Repent means to turn around, to go the other way. Whatever you are doing that’s wrong and sinful and evil and carnal and worldly and everything else, you turn around, you “repent” and you go the other direction. The scriptures mention a couple of words:
Matthew 18:3 talks about being converted
Matthew 19:28 talks about being regenerated
1Peter 1:3 talks about being born again
John 3:3 talks about being born again
What are all those things? They’re all one and the same, there’s no difference. Being begotten anew, being born again, being regenerated, being converted…they are all the same. And this is what we all want to do, so that we can take on more knowledge and live more Godly, and reach this goal. We all sin. Sin has to go through three things: cleansing, repentance, forgiveness. Does anybody know the order of these things?
This is the order of what happens to sin:
1. Forgiveness
2. Repentance
3. Cleansing
(God does not cleanse anybody of sins they haven’t repented of.)
Forgiveness comes first and isn’t that interesting. Jesus Christ was slain from the foundation of the world and why was he slain? Why did Christ die? The scriptures say Christ died for our sins. That’s the simplest statement. But there is a little bit more. I want you to notice this:
This is the audio version; this is priceless as a listening learning tool'
Audio Download link: http://bible-truths.com/audio/Ray_Repent%201.mp3
george. :)
Deborah-Leigh:
I see that I asked too many questions at the start of my post.
Thank you Marlene and aqr for your replies!
It is wonderful when God directs us to His Word and we can share and/or He directs us to answers we know are present in the teachings that Ray expounds. Being able to do this is certainly one of the ways we are changed but I do not think it is all the way.
We can be forever learning and never changing.
Ray shared with us how God changed him. How do you see God is or has been changing YOU?
Arc
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: Arcturus on March 25, 2009, 02:28:59 PM ---
I see that I asked too many questions at the start of my post.
Thank you Marlene and aqr for your replies!
It is wonderful when God directs us to His Word and we can share and/or He directs us to answers we know are present in the teachings that Ray expounds. Being able to do this is certainly one of the ways we are changed but I do not think it is all the way.
We can be forever learning and never changing.
Ray shared with us how God changed him. How do you see God is or has been changing YOU?
Arc
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I told a friend recently that I am gaining a lot of understanding in how the Lord raises us up by going through the experience of raising my kids. Kids begin by only doing what they believe is okay even if all they do is what pleases them...similar to us before the Lord begins to make a change in us.
Then, to get them to act 'good', my wife and I have to teach them what is good and acceptable behavior and what is not. But it is much easier to show them what is bad once they have experienced it...like teaching my 4 yr old to lean forward when she eats at the table.
She says, 'Okay Daddy' but keeps doing what she wants. When I show her the mess she leaves on the floor and have her 'clean it up' (even though it's mostly me cleaning), she remembers that experience. Now when I warn her again the next night, I'll mention the last time when she had to clean up and she begins to change her eating habits. She begins to change her behavior at the dinner table because she went through 'messing up' and now that I've shown her her errors, it's in here remembrance.
In that way more than anything else, I have begun to understand 'how' the Lord works in people of all ages...it is humbling for sure but being humbled is good as then, the experience is in your remembrance. :)
Thanks for the thread Arc,
Marques
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