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Cain's wife
musicman:
Perhaps the mixing of Adam with the other humans is what ultimately lead to the decline in life spans. Science hasn't found any human fossils that they feel lived to very old ages. The earliest humans problably didn't live all that long. Just specticalating.
Kat:
If we consider that there were people already living around the world, as Ray has suggested, as we know there are many indigenous tribes of people that live around the world. Then maybe God created His own race of people in which to bring His son into the world. And the Bible gives us record of how Jesus Christ came out of this line of Adam. Maybe this particular line is what is referred to as sons of God in early chapters of the Bible.
Gen 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
v. 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
It seems that this Scripture might fit with Adam's line intermarrying with indigenous people of the land. It's not that indigenous people are less human or are excluded from the plan of salvation, but God was working through a certain line of people that He created especially for a purpose. But this is just something that I was thinking about.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
daywalker:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on April 03, 2009, 09:13:36 AM ---
Kat,
Also,in the scripture below it states plainly that we should not do as the verses state.
Would not these laws also have applied to Cain also?And if they do you think Adam and Eve would have given permission to Cain(a murderer and vagabond) to have sex with one of their daughters many years latter? I don't think God would have let Cain marry his own sister,knowing that if He did It would be a violation of His own law,which in turn would be going against Gods own will. Lots of questions for sure.
Just my thoughts not trying to teach :)
Leviticus 18
9 'The nakedness of thy sister, daughter of thy father, or daughter of thy mother, born at home or born without; thou dost not uncover their nakedness. 11 The nakedness of a daughter of thy father's wife, begotten of thy father, she is thy sister; thou dost not uncover her nakedness.
Leviticus 20
17 'And a man who taketh his sister, a daughter of his father or daughter of his mother, and he hath seen her nakedness, and she seeth his nakedness: it is a shame; and they have been cut off before the eyes of the sons of their people; the nakedness of his sister he hath uncovered; his iniquity he beareth.
Peace...Mark
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Hey Mark,
Remember, also, that intermarrying wasn't condemned in the early stages of mankind. In fact, Abraham's wife was also his sister. [Gen 20:12]
It seems as though, God gave out His Commandments in increments. Like, how Jesus added to the Law that was already in existence, by giving us a New Covenant, and a Higher Law. I imagine God worked the same way in the Old Testament times. He gave out a set of laws; then when it was necessary, He added more to them.
None that would contradict any laws in existence; just it was His Time to reveal more of His Commandments. [Ex: Giving the commandment to 'not marry one's sister' wouldn't contradict any previous laws, as there was never a law that stated 'a man could marry his sister'. There just wasn't a law forbidding it, yet.]
At least, that's the way I understand it, but I'm not rubber-stamping it or anything... :D
Have a good one,
Daywalker.
Deborah-Leigh:
All humanity is carnal regardless of either being grafted in or of the cultivated olive branch. God did not spare the NATURAL branches.
First the natural, whether wild and grafted in, or pruned and broken off the cultivated olive tree.
Notice what Ray points out that the carnal of the carnal is TALKING ABOUT HUMANITY.
Excerpt #1
Rom 2:1 “Therefore you have no excuse, O man…” Do you know what Paul had in mind when he said “O man?” He’s talking about the carnal of the carnal, he’s talking about humanity in the world, about total uncovering, total carnality. O man, you know he uses that phrase again in Rom. 9:20, “But who are you, O man, that answers against God,” see. God can form man anyway He wants to, who are you O man.
Rom 2:1 “ Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself…”
Is this beam and speck start clearing up a little bit now?
Excerpt #2
Whatever O man is. That’s what we are, because O man is Adam. O man came out of Adam. Where did you come from, some place else? We’re all out of Adam. And what does Adam do? Being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness, full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness, backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters and on and on. Wow, this is O man out of Adam. This is what he does. And only by the grace of God, some of us didn’t have to go that route.
excerpt # 3
“Mat 7:3 And why do you (My disciples) look at the mote in your brother's eye, but do not consider the beam in your own eye?
Why would His disciples have more sin, and I think we can see that this beam has to do with sin and character flaws and all of that. Why would they have a bigger problem than their brothers. Why would the people that were following Christ, loyally following Christ, learning to do good and to be good and to love God. Why would they have more sins than their brothers, who’s not up on the mountain? He’s saying your looking to get a molt out of your brother’s eye and He didn’t say it appears that you have it, you really do have a beam. And it isn’t what appears to be a mote, He says to you, and this is all from the prospective of YOU, “Why do YOU” try to get what YOU think is a beam out of your brothers eye, when you have this beam in your own eye. You follow me? Why doesn’t He reverse it, why doesn’t He give the guy credit for at least making some improvement, to where the log is down to the size of a beam?
For very keen answers to the questions Ray expounds go to http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html
Arc
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: daywalker on April 03, 2009, 10:10:51 AM ---Hey Mark,
Remember, also, that intermarrying wasn't condemned in the early stages of mankind. In fact, Abraham's wife was also his sister. [Gen 20:12]
It seems as though, God gave out His Commandments in increments. Like, how Jesus added to the Law that was already in existence, by giving us a New Covenant, and a Higher Law. I imagine God worked the same way in the Old Testament times. He gave out a set of laws; then when it was necessary, He added more to them.
None that would contradict any laws in existence; just it was His Time to reveal more of His Commandments. [Ex: Giving the commandment to 'not marry one's sister' wouldn't contradict any previous laws, as there was never a law that stated 'a man could marry his sister'. There just wasn't a law forbidding it, yet.]
At least, that's the way I understand it, but I'm not rubber-stamping it or anything... :D
Have a good one,
Daywalker.
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Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
Chris,
Seeing that God does not change and condemned incest (as Mark points out in scripture), incest has always been a sin. For example, 'Lust of the eyes, lust of the flesh, & the pride of life' [1 John 2:16] were always sin whether Eve knew & understood them or not. And seeing as she committed such in the Garden, she was in the transgression [1 Tim 2:14; 1 John 3:4].
Remember, when Abraham took Sarah as his wife, he was known as Abram and was just as pagan as anyone else. It was not until the Lord 'dragged' him to seek after Him, did he learn the ways of the Lord. And of course, he was already married.
And one more note: the scriptures, when speaking of Terah [Abraham's natural father] lineage, refer to Sarah as his daughter in law even though Abraham says in Gen 20:12 they have the same father.
Gen 11:26 And Terah lived seventy years, and begat Abram [who is later called Abraham], Nahor, and Haran.
Gen 11:31 And Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran his son's son, and Sarai his daughter in law, his son Abram's wife...
Hope this helps,
Marques
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