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Cain's wife
aqrinc:
Nelson,
You asked the question, the answer will surprise you but you need to read some of Rays Expo on this.
Gen 1: 26-31 (CLV)
26 And saying is the Elohim, "Make will We humanity in Our image, and according to Our likeness, and sway shall they over the fish of the sea, and over the flyer of the heavens, and over the beast, and over all land life, and over every moving animal moving on the land.
27 And creating is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates it. Male and female He creates them.
28 And blessing them is the Elohim. And saying to them is the Elohim, "Be fruitful and increase and fill the earth, and subdue it. And sway over the fish of the sea, and over the flyer of the heavens, and over the beast, and over all the earth, and over all life moving on the land.
29 And saying is the Elohim, "Behold, I give to you all herbage seeding seed, which is on the surface of the entire earth, and every tree which has in it the fruit of a tree seeding seed. For you it is coming to be for food.
30 And for all land life, and for every flyer of the heavens, and for every moving animal on the land, which has in it a living soul, all green herbage is for food. And coming is it to be so.
31 And seeing is the Elohim all that He had made, and, behold, it is very good. And coming is it to be evening and coming to be morning, the sixth day.
Ray has taught about this too, try this for your answer.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,8831.msg73653.html#msg73653
Excerpt from: Where Did God Get Knowledge ?
Now before I get into that, understand that terms that applied to us are applied to God. The Bible talks about men of power… does God have power? [Yes] Is the power that God possesses greater or lesser than the power men possesses? [Greater] Much greater, considerably greater, infinitesimally more greater.
Does God have mercy? [Yes] Does He have more mercy than men? [Yes] Does God have love? [Yes] Same love that we have, right, same amount? [No] You cannot compare the love that God has with the love that we have. Yes we have love and we kind of know what it means. But it can not be compared with the love that God has.
Therefore whatever words are applied to us, when they are applied to Him it’s infinitesimally more greater and more profound. Agreed? [Yes] Okay.
The word there “brought forth” is H2342 chûl (khool, kheel) A primitive root; properly to twist or to dance (in some contexts, but there is only one application of it), to writhe in pain…
Not just to hurt… you know ‘writhing’ in pain, when you can’t even think straight.
- bear, bring forth, calve, great, grieve, grievous, be in pain, sore, sorrow, travail (with pain).
Those are powerful words aren’t they. If you went through all that you would think you were in childbirth. Guess what this word means here, “I was broth forth”? Travailed - birthed. Can this mean what it says?
Before God could create us and the universe and creatures in His own likeness, He had to know how to do it. How hard was that? ‘Oh but nothing is too hard for God.’ There is nothing too hard for God. Too hard, that means impossible, but how close to that does it come? Are things very very hard for God at times? Did God ever do a honest days work? Did God ever suffer? Was God ever longsuffering? Did He have to have patience?
He could not build this universe until He possessed the wisdom to do it. Before the creation came the master plan and the wisdom to do it. How did He get that wisdom? He birthed it! Under the travail and pain and agony, that He passed on to women to experience a minute little insignificant part of what it is like to bring about children that are going to be in the image of God.
He travailed with pain and agony, until wisdom was birthed out of Him, so that He could now build the universe. It says so! Well you can say, ‘I don’t see it.’ I don’t care, this wisdom was with Him before the heavens and the earth, it was with Him. But where did it come from? He birthed it with great pain, travail and sorrow. It was difficult for God! So don’t think that God hasn’t done anything for us.
God has never suffered? God has never had to work hard? God has never had to go long periods of time and not get what it is He wanted? Don’t think that way anymore. You have a Father in heaven that can identify with everything you are.
george.
musicman:
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--- Quote ---Why make a woman from the man?
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Because God didn't want to use anymore dirt to make the woman out of which He had already made the man. :D Woman had to be the best part of the man who has to recognise her as his own body...well, the best part. I don't think too many men have that problem. So God proves once again to be pretty smart!
Arc
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Ha ha!! The woman was made out of recycled dirt. Hee hee. So the men win this round as well.
lilitalienboi16:
Personally, i think there is way to much speculation on this. I do find it odd that if their were people around adam and eve before God created adam and eve in the garden... that adam would be "alone." That to me just seems strange. "For as in adam all die... even so in Christ shall all be made alive." If thats true... than what about those who were created outside the garden by God, those other humans... they did not die in adam... yet we are told all die in adam...
Eh... Confusing if you ask me.
Not saying it can't be true.. i just can't see around these versus.
Absolute Truth:
aqr,
Thanks for digging that up, I found that very helpful regarding Gods mission to make His power and the riches of His glory known. It takes us deeper into understanding Him and knowing Him more intimately.
As far as death beginning with Adam and passing on to all mankind I have some thoughts that are pretty simple but thoughts nonetheless.
Since death came through Adam, even though there were others in the world which scripture seems to clarify the one act of sin that was the one act that brought death upon all mankind. This we know but.....
We are speculating on how that one act of disobedience could also affect those who were in the world at this same time, if indeed there was as Cain seems to point to when in fear for his life following excommunication.
I am in the understanding that the flood was a regional flood in agreement with Ray, and as such, the flood did destroy all people as scripture bares out, save Noah and His family.
So, it is my simple observation that Noah was the only one who was of the seedline of Adam and as such was the only one to continue that seedline on to the rest of the world eventually leading up to Jesus.
So in essence we are still of the seedline of Adam since there would be no other seedline alive following the flood.
This is all just speculation I know but if anyone has any thoughts on this or if Ray may have touched on this in an area I am unfamiliar with, please let me know.
God Bless,
Dave
mharrell08:
This subject seems to be beaten into the ground enough.
Any further discussion would be further speculation, and we would like to stay away from that path.
Hope you all understand.
Marques
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