> General Discussions
No Hell?
lesur:
Apparently you don't believe the bible is the inerrant, inspired word of God, so there is little value in arguing. I'll leave you with this just in case you come to your senses:
WHAT JESUS CHRIST SAYS ABOUT HELL!
[*] "fire" Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41
[*] "everlasting fire" Matt 18:8, 25:41
[*] "eternal damnation" Mark 3:29
[*] "hell fire" Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
[*] "damnation" Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47
[*] "damnation of hell" Matt 23:33
[*] "resurrection of damnation" John 5:29
[*] "furnace of fire" Matt 13:42, 50
[*] "the fire that never shall be quenched" Mark 9:43, 45
[*] "the fire is not quenched" Mark 9:44, 46, 48
[*] "Where their worm dieth not" Mark 9:44, 46, 48
[*] "wailing and gnashing of teeth" Matt 13:42, 50
[*] "weeping and gnashing of teeth" Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30
[*] "torments" Luke 16:23
[*] "tormented in this flame" Luke 16:24
[*] "place of torment" Luke 16:28
[*] "outer darkness" Matt 8:12, 22:13
[*] "everlasting punishment" Matt 25:46
[/list:u]
WHAT IF JESUS IS RIGHT?
I understand
rvhill:
Philippians 2:10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 10:13for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." [ Joel 2:32]
Romans 10:9That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
Hebrews 7:25Therefore he is able to save completely [ Or forever] those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
1 Corinthians 5:5hand this man over to Satan, so that the sinful nature [ Or that his body; or that the flesh] may be destroyed and his spirit saved on the day of the Lord
Ephesians 2:5made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved.
Ephesians 2:8For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—
1 Peter 3:18For Christ died for sins once for all, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God.
1 Timothy 1:15Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.
2 Timothy 1:9who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time,
Romans 11:26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
Matthew 19:25When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, "Who then can be saved?"
26Jesus looked at them and said, "With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Luke 19:9Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, because this man, too, is a son of Abraham. 10For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost."
John 3:17For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him
John 10:7Therefore Jesus said again, "I tell you the truth, I am the gate for the sheep. 8All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. 9I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved.[a] He will come in and go out, and find pasture. 10The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.
John 12:47 "As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
all of Romans 5, a whole chapter, not a just one or 2 verses
See I got a list too and my list is bigger. I can add more to it if you want. By saying you believe in eternal damnation you deny the above text.
mike:
"Apparently you don't believe the bible is the inerrant, inspired word of God, so there is little value in arguing. I'll leave you with this just in case you come to your senses:"
if you mean the KJV is not the "inerrant" word of God i'm sure you are correct (for my part). it is in fact a translation that is indeed flawed in places. find a copy of Rotherhams and check it out. (no it isn't inerrant either as it is not possible to translate one language to another "perfectly")
hillsbororiver:
1Ti 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Ti 2:5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
1Ti 2:6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
Phi 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Isa 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times, the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack, concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Dear I understand,
God is not willing for any to perish and God does what He wills, His pleasure, in His time.
I am sure you don't mean God is incapable of doing His own will or that the sacrifice of Jesus was insufficient, do you?
Check out the original Hebrew and Greek definitions (e-sword) on the hell stuff, you may be very surprised or read Ray's "Lake of Fire" series, an eyeopener indeed.
Joe
ertsky:
Hey there lesur
don't be too hasty to consign anyone to eternal torment :)
do you really believe the Father of all mercies is so incompetent, as to have to resort to torture ??
is that your opinion of God ??
is that how Saul became Paul ??
Luk 9:54 And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did?
Luk 9:55 But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of.
Luk 9:56 For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village.
come on lesur couldn't the fire Jesus spoke of be spiritual allegory, do you insist it is literal flame ??
has nothing ever burned but not been consumed ??
how many were in the fire with one as the Son of God ??
our God is a consuming fire, come on lesur
Dan 3:24 Then Nebuchadnezzar the king was astonied, and rose up in haste, and spake, and said unto his counsellors, Did not we cast three men bound into the midst of the fire? They answered and said unto the king, True, O king.
Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God.
Rom 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Rom 11:33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
come on lesur think again
Jesus is Lord !
does He seem to you to be a "torture them" kind of guy?
i hear Him this way
Mat 9:13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
or what about this word
Mar 9:49 For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.
well how about it beloved lesur ? peter paul, james and john, all salted with fire and very much the better for the experience !!
1Pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:
1Pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.
sorry lesur but you will have to rethink your list of proof verses
i know something of the fire of God
Mal 3:2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:
Mal 3:3 And he shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver: and he shall purify the sons of Levi, and purge them as gold and silver, that they may offer unto the LORD an offering in righteousness.
well i am in your debt lesur
you have reminded me of how great a mercy God is showing me in His righteous judgement
sorry to chide you so lesur, you provoke me in love
as the verses cited above clearly show there is a whole lot more to the fire than you or i know at present, please reconsider the possibilities
f
Navigation
[0] Message Index
[#] Next page
Go to full version