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--- Quote from: lesur ---Apparently you don't believe the bible is the inerrant, inspired word of God, so there is little value in arguing.  I'll leave you with this just in case you come to your senses:

[*] "fire"                                       Matt 7:19, 13:40, 25:41
[*] "everlasting fire"                          Matt 18:8, 25:41
[*] "eternal damnation"               Mark 3:29
[*] "hell fire"                              Matt 5:22, 18:9, Mark 9:47
[*] "damnation"                          Matt 23:14, Mark 12:40, Luke 20:47
[*] "damnation of hell"                Matt 23:33
[*] "resurrection of damnation"    John 5:29
[*] "furnace of fire"                           Matt 13:42, 50
[*] "the fire that never shall be quenched"    Mark 9:43, 45
[*] "the fire is not quenched"               Mark 9:44, 46, 48
[*] "Where their worm dieth not"    Mark 9:44, 46, 48
[*] "wailing and gnashing of teeth"    Matt 13:42, 50
[*] "weeping and gnashing of teeth"   Matt 8:12, 22:13, 25:30
[*] "torments"                                    Luke 16:23
[*] "tormented in this flame"              Luke 16:24
[*] "place of torment"                         Luke 16:28
[*] "outer darkness"                         Matt 8:12, 22:13
[*] "everlasting punishment"             Matt 25:46

I understand
--- End quote ---


Jesus WAS right.  Hint: You are not Jesus.  Jesus did not ask anyone to come to his SENSES as you do.  Jesus came to baptize people in the Spirit of God AND IN FIRE.  The carnal (senses) man can not understand the things of the spirit.

Answer this:
1. Was Sodom punished in "eternal" fire?
2. Is the fire still burning?
3. Will Sodom be restored?
4. Will the PEOPLE of Sodom be restored?

And this (looking at Mark 9:49)
1. What does this verse say men MUST BE salted with?
2. How many does it say must be salted?
3. What does the word "FOR" mean in this verse?
4. What kind of FIRE is described preceding this verses?
5. Are ANY other kinds of FIRE mentioned in the chapter?

I may have messed up some of your formating, I had some problems typing this. If I did, it was purely by accident.

no worries friend, keep up the study and may God bless you in the spirit of love and truth!!!

nothing new under the sun!!!

you are not here or anywhere by accident.


Regarding the Judas verse, Here is an explaination from Ray;

Read this verse from an Interlinear in the original word order found in the Greek Manuscripts, the the meaning is totally different:


"The indeed Son of the man goes as it has been written about HIM [Jesus]; Woe but to THE MAN THAT [Judas] through whom the Son of the man is delivered up; good [ideal] it was to HIM [Jesus, NOT JUDAS] if not was born THE MAN THAT [Judas, NOT JESUS]."


Plainly it would have been ideal for JESUS, if JUDAH had not been born. NOT ideal would it have been for JUDAS if JUDAS had not been born.


Consistant in this verse, "The Son of man" and "Him" and "Him" is JESUS, and "the man that" is JUDAS.


The "Him" (Jesus) in the first part of the verse does not change to "him" (Judas) in the second part of the verse:  The "The Son of man--Him and Him" is constistantly Jesus, and "that man" and "that man"  is consistantly, Judas.


God be with you,


Also remember the burning bush.

The bush was consumed with fire but the bush was not burning

And of course theres no amount of studying that will allow us to learn the truth.(see Pharisees)

Isa 6:9  And He said, Go and say to this people, Hearing you hear, but do not understand; and seeing you see, but do not know.
Isa 6:10  Make the heart of this people fat, and make his ears heavy, and shut his eyes, that he not see with his eyes, and hear with his ears, and understand with his heart, and turn back, and one heals him.

The Father makes us blind and the Father makes us see.

Even if Lesur does not get it, the are others who are picking up the pearls, I picked up some.

"""""Even if Lesur does not get it, the are others who are picking up the pearls, I picked up some""""""

he will, God bless him in his search for the truth!!!

Gehenna, from the Greek geenna or the Hebrew hinnom, the Valley of Hinnom, is a deep narrow glen south of Jerusalem, where the Jews offered their children to the god Molech (2 Kings 23:10; Jeremiah 7:31, 19:2-5), as seen in Jeremiah this practice was strongly condemned by the prophets. Later it became a refuge for all putrefying material which defiled the city;

The term Ge-henna simply means  Valley of Hinnom.

the lake of fire is simply refered to be like the fire at the valley of Hinnom. The garbage and refuse was put here in Jesus' time and set on fire. This fire never went out and burned continually. It burned up the GARBAGE and REFUSE .

Mar 9:47  And if your eye offends you, cast it out. For it is profitable for you to enter into the kingdom of God one-eyed, than having two eyes to be thrown into  Gehenna fire,
Mar 9:48  "where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched." Isa. 66:24(the worm verse doesnt mean what people think)
Mar 9:49  For everyone will be salted with fire, and every sacrifice will be salted with salt.
Mar 9:50  Salt is good, but if the salt becomes saltless, by what will you season? Have salt in yourselves and be at peace with one another.

everyone will be salted with fire, (dont think man's fire here)
salt within us makes us to be at peace with one another!!(mar 9:50)

What do you think The Lake of Fire (God is a consuming fire) will burn up.

Why the chaff (wood, hay stubble)
And What is the chaff?

Of course you know, it is SIN (wickedness)

1Co 5:5  to deliver such a one(continual sinner) to Satan for destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

 That is why " He is like a refiner's fire and like fuller's soap.
 And He shall sit as a refiner and purifier of silver;Mal 3:1-4

 A refiners fire is not a destroying fire. it PURIFYS.(Gold refining makes Gold pure)
 Fullers Soap does not Destroy, it CLEANSES.

Mat 13:49  So it will be in the completion of the age: the angels will go out and will separate the evil from the midst of the righteous
Mat 13:50  and will throw them into the furnace of fire; there will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.

Ps 112:10  The wicked shall see it, and be grieved; he shall gnash with his teeth, and become faint with grief: the desires of the wicked shall perish.(the desires not the person)

There is weeping and gnashing of teeth, when the wicked SEE IT, AND ARE GRIEVED. even faint with grief, THEN their desire to do wickedness is burned up (removed, cleansed,refined,purified)

 You see His judgements are not mans judgements.

Read this very slowly my friends

Rom 11:29  For the free gifts and the calling of God are unregrettable.
Rom 11:30  For as you then also disobeyed God, but now have obtained mercy by the disobedience of these,
Rom 11:31  so also these now have disobeyed, so that they also may obtain mercy by your mercy. (not by us condemning to eternal torment)
Rom 11:32  For God shut up all into disobedience, that He may show mercy to all.

Rom 11:33  O the depth of the riches and of the wisdom and the knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and His ways past finding out!

Mans judgement and mans perception of Gods judgement, ARE NOT GODS JUDGEMENT

Isa 61:8  For I the LORD love judgement, I hate robbery for burnt offering; and I will direct their work in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.

Isa 16:5  And in mercy shall the throne be established: and he shall sit upon it in truth in the tabernacle of David, judging, and seeking judgement, and hasting righteousness.

Isa 42:3  A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgement unto truth.

Isa 1:27  Zion shall be redeemed with judgement, and her converts with righteousness.

Isa 4:4  when the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and the blood of Jerusalem shall have been rinsed away from its midst by a spirit of judgement, and by a spirit of burning.

wash away the filth with a spirit of burning

"For when Thy [God's] JUDGMENTS are in the earth, the INHABITANTS OF THE WORLD will learn RIGHTEOUSNESS" (Isa. 26:9)!!

When Gods judgements are in the earth the whole world WILL LEARN RIGHTEOUSNESS

This should give us exceeding joy!!!



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