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jennifer:
Orion77,
Reading Job 41, the entire chapter, I see this as a reference to both the literal beast and symbolic beast (man), as well as Satan.
Job 41:1 "capturing him is futile" would apply to the animal.
The witness: Ps. 104:26-The ships are there, sailing to and fro; Leviathan , which you formed to play there.
Job 41:15 "his scales are his pride" would also apply to man's pride.
Job 41:34 "he is king over all the children of pride" would apply to satan.
Leviathan has been described as a crocodile and whale as well as a man in various scriptures.
Job 41:2 has a witness at Isa. 37:29-And because of your rage against me, because of your pride that has reached my ears, I am putting my hook in your nose and my bridle on your lips; and I will make you return by the way on which you came.
Job 41:34 has a witness at Isa. 30:28-His breath is like a racing torrent that rises up to the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of destruction, and put a bridle in the peoples' mouths to lead them astray
Satan, the proud deceiver, leads all the children of pride. His as well as man's rage against God will be met with a hook through the nose and all vanity met with a bridle in the jaws from God. Do you see any of this? I think pride was one reason for Job's chastisement.
Grace be with you.
mercie:
--- Quote from: jennifer ---Orion77,
Reading Job 41, the entire chapter, I see this as a reference to both the literal beast and symbolic beast (man), as well as Satan.
Job 41:1 "capturing him is futile" would apply to the animal.
The witness: Ps. 104:26-The ships are there, sailing to and fro; Leviathan , which you formed to play there.
Job 41:15 "his scales are his pride" would also apply to man's pride.
Job 41:34 "he is king over all the children of pride" would apply to satan.
Leviathan has been described as a crocodile and whale as well as a man in various scriptures.
Job 41:2 has a witness at Isa. 37:29-And because of your rage against me, because of your pride that has reached my ears, I am putting my hook in your nose and my bridle on your lips; and I will make you return by the way on which you came.
Job 41:34 has a witness at Isa. 30:28-His breath is like a racing torrent that rises up to the neck, to sift the nations with the sieve of destruction, and put a bridle in the peoples' mouths to lead them astray
Satan, the proud deceiver, leads all the children of pride. His as well as man's rage against God will be met with a hook through the nose and all vanity met with a bridle in the jaws from God. Do you see any of this? I think pride was one reason for Job's chastisement.
Grace be with you.
--- End quote ---
Not Only Job Jennifer , Paul also for HIS pride in the law.
Recall that He was Blinded , His eyes full of Scales.?
Job 41:15 "his scales are his pride" would also apply to man's pride.
The Proud shall be Humbled such are an Abomination.
Act 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Pro 6:17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, Pro 6:18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
Pro 6:19 A false witness [that] speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren
Pro 16:5 Every one [that is] proud in heart [is] an abomination to the LORD: [though] hand [join] in hand, he shall not be unpunished.
Pro 21:4 An high look, and a proud heart, [and] the plowing of the wicked, [is] sin.
Isa 2:12 For the day of the LORD of hosts [shall be] upon every [one that is] proud and lofty, and upon every [one that is] lifted up; and he shall be brought low:
Jer 50:31 Behold, I [am] against thee, [O thou] most proud, saith the Lord GOD of hosts: for thy day is come, the time [that] I will visit thee.
Jer 50:32 And the most proud shall stumble and fall, and none shall raise him up: and I will kindle a fire in his cities, and it shall devour all round about him
1Ti 6:4 He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,
We all NEED eye salve to wash away the pride.
Rev 3:18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and [that] the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Daniel:
Jennifer
God said consider his servant Job who was perfect and upright, how was job be considered prideful and upright at the same time? :lol:
Especially In light of what God said, saying Job was one of the three who by their "own righteousness" could save themselves.
Clue us in :lol:
Daniel
jennifer:
Daniel,
Let's go mining though God's Word for witnesses that can clarify the matter:
Job 32:1,2,3-So these three men stopped trying to answer Job, because he remained convinced of his own righteousness. But then the anger of Elihu, the son of Barachel the Buzite from the family of Ram, blazed up against Job for thinking he was right and God wrong. His anger also blazed up against his three friends, because they had found no answer to Job but condemned him anyway.
Job 34:5-Job says I am in the right, but God is denying me justice.
Job 34:35-Job is speaking without thinking; his words lack discernment.
Job 34:37-For now to his sin he adds rebellion; he (mockingly) claps his hands among us and keeps adding to his words against God.
Job 35:1,2-Elihu went on to say: Are you so convinced you are right, that you say, "I am more just than God"?
Job 36:15,16,17-God with his affliction, delivers the afflicted; and he gets their attention by pressing on them. Indeed Job, he is drawing you away from distress to an untroubled open place, with rich food on your table. But the judgement on the wicked fully applies to you, judgement and condemnaton take hold (of them).
Job 36:19-Will your great wealth help you? Or all your efforts, no matter how strong?
Job 36:21-Be careful, turn away from wrongdoing, for because of this, you have been tested by affliction.
Job 38:1,2-Then God answered Job out of the storm: "Who is this, darkening my plans with his ignorant words"?
Job 40:8-"Are you impugning my justice? Putting me in the wrong to prove yourself right"?
Job 42:1,2,3-Then (at last) Job gave God this answer: "I know that you can do everything, that no purpose of yours can be thwarted. "(You asked)'Who is this hiding counsel, without having knowledge'? Yes I spoke, without understanding of wonders far beyond me, which I didn't know".
Job 42:5,6-I had heard about you with my ears, but now my eye sees you; Therefore I detest (myself) and repent in dust and ashes.
Job 42:8-"So now, get yourselves seven young bulls, and seven rams, go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering. My servant Job will pray for you-because him I will accept-so that I won't punish you as your boorishness deserves, because you have not spoken rightly about me, as my servant Job has".
From the above I see Job accepting reproof for being too anxious to declare himself righteous and neglecting to vindicate God. Thankfully, the scales fell off his eyes, for at the end, his faithfulness under test was rewarded.
God made him a priest for his three companions who had contended with him, restored his wealth two-fold, and gave him new children-seven sons and three daughters.
Grace be with you.
Daniel:
God says He was perfect and upright to Satan twice and here
Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.[/u]
And if He feared God which he did and hated evil then this is defined here as to what that was
Prov 8:13 The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.
Holding fast to ones integrity and good conscience is not evil, Paul spoke of others shipwrecking their faith in not doing so. Job is an example even for us.
What did God say of what Job spoke?
Job 42:7 And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.[/u]
Jobb 42:8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me [the thing which is right, like my servant Job.[/u]
Ezek 14:20 Though Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, they shall deliver neither son nor daughter; they shall but deliver their own souls by their righteousness.[/u]
Pride being connected to Job cannot be in that he hated evil. The biblical definition of hating evil is to hate pride and arrogance. Not only that but it IS the "fear of the lord" combined and both were said of Job. These things were contained in the "speeches of his freinds" as I see it.
We differ on this and thats fine. We just don't see eye to eye on this. I just wanted to see where you drew your perspective and it was very much like my own at one time, so I hear you. I changed my mind concerning it.
Blessings
Daniel
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