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charrie:
Thanks, Arc, for pulling Ray's teaching on this.
--- Quote from: Arcturus on April 11, 2009, 04:27:07 AM ---It is not a sin to discern.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3709.0.html
There is no law against discerning if a person is still blind, bound and subject to belief in lies and loyalty to error. God's Judgment is not condemnation and self elevation to unmerited heights of holiness. God IS Holy. God is not an egocentric megalomaniac.
Discerning that a person is still spiritually blind should not make us feel holier than thou, but pity for the person still in the dark. This is discernment with Mercy and gratitude to God for our blessings rather than pious self aggrandisement and disdain for those God has not appointed to be His vessels of Honor. God is always the potter and changes not.
Until and unless we are made able to judge with the Spirit of God, we shall not be able to.
http://bible-truths.com/lake3.html
God "judges" us by "chastening "(paideuo) us, which means, teaching, training, learning, disciplining, punishing, instructing, and educating. And God "graces" us also by this same "chastening" (paideuo) which does not change meaning from one Scripture verse to another. Notice how other translations render this word paideuo in Titus 2:11-12:
"Teaching us..." King James
"Instructing us..." American Standard Version
"Disciplining us... New Testament (Henry Alford)
"And schooling us..." The Centenary Translation (Montgomery)
"Training us..." The New Testament in Modern Speech (Weymouth)
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[Titus 1:9 - The New Revised Standard Version]
Arc
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That was quite helpful to me.
I suppose, too, that I am still "studying to show myself approved, rightly dividing the word of God"....."so that I will have an answer for the hope that is within me".
charrie :-*
Deborah-Leigh:
It's a pleasure charrie.
Godly Judgement is of God's Spirit which requires discernment of Spiritual issues. We need to learn to discern.
Ungodly judgment is carnal that uses the law to make void the Grace and Mercy of God.
We as children of God are required to be judged and then to judge after we have received from God the experience and the knowledge of what is good and what is evil.
Christiandom would have all believe that judgment is taboo when actually it is a vital need. It is which kind of judgment do we use, Godly or carnal? Is our Judgment carnal, worldly, literal or is it Godly, Spiritual and Merciful and edifying of Gods Grace and Holiness.
To be or not to be.....carnal or spiritual.....that is the question.
Arc
meee:
Hey Kathy,
Not to excuse my attidude when I didn't reply to the cashier, but I was thinking about it and think I acted badly, because I've been strugeling within myself to understand what is expected of me. I have the understanding that these things have pagan roots, soooo should I not participate? But, I realize I didn't exhibit a Love attitude.
Sooooo thanks all for your comments, I take them to heart.
My kids have their husbands side of the family holiday meals, so sometimes I've told them, you don't have to come here too, you've already had the celebration. But, they say it wouldn't be the holiday if they didn't come home too, so there ya go, we have it here too. This year our pregnant daughter is having it at her new home in Minneapolis, for both sides of families. Our daughter that lives here in town has to work & my hubby is on call, so none of us will be going to Felicity's.
May 2nd we are going though to the cities for Felicity's baby shower, so expect some new pic's in my photobucket album . How did baby shower's come about, anyone know?
Anyhooo,thanks again everyone, all your comments are welcome and helpful for my growth.
Have a great week end,
luvya's,meee
PS: I don't see a spell check and I sure need one, forgive my spelling,please. :-[
--- Quote from: Ninny on April 10, 2009, 03:32:34 PM ---
Just be kind when someone wishes you a happy day and say "Thank you!"
Kathy ;)
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Dave in Tenn:
Hi Charrie. Perhaps it's helpful to consider it another way. Ray's taught us that it's not wrong to know there is a beam in somebody else's eye. To me, one way I know this is because there is a beam in MY eye, and I am no different from them. What is foolish is to try to remove the beam from others while ours is still frimly lodged.
When I was growing up, we really didn't do all the 'pagan' things related to easter. I'm not saying I never went on an Easter egg hunt or got a basket on Sunday Morning, but that stopped when my folks got a little knowledge. Even then, there were still plenty of folks around to breathe fire on them (and by extension me) for not being as smart as THEY were. Blind guides.
No...instead we went to church like we did every Sunday morning and night (and wednesday night too) and prayed the prayer of the Pharisees--"Lord, thank you that I am not like these Easter Sunday Christians (who fill up the pews so we can't find a place to sit and make it difficult to get out of the parking lot early enough to hit the restaraunts staffed by the undgodly who never go to church and must surely be doomed to Hellfire). Please, Lord, cause them to rededicate their lives to you so that they may be as spiritual as me."
I tell you the truth, it took an awful lot to have been shown by God that I am the Beast on the throne, and that my entire life is anti-Christ--including my religion, as well as my gross carnality. I'm not too bothered by paganism. It's just another flavor to me in this sin, ideology, and religion saturated world. Everywhere I look in the scripture, the Spirit says to me to move on and know God.
There's a 'wandering' to the left, and a 'wandering' to the right. The path is straight and few there be who find it.
It sounds to me like He is straigtening your walk. God bless you.
aqrinc:
A little different understanding i have now re: Why try to remove the mote from my friends eye, while the beam is obscuring my vision.
Perception from me, with the plank obscuring my vision.
1. My (friends, family et al) are all following pagan and ungodly practices and doctrines of demons.
2. Since i have a clearer vision, i need to point out and remove that speck (mote) from their life.
Reality when the plank is removed from my eyes.
1. There but for The Grace Of GOD; go i daily.
Eph 2:10
For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
2. GOD'S Grace is Showing and Teaching me that my perspective is skewed, once my plank is removed;
i can now see that we all had the very same plank (condition). I am HIS Workmanship not my own product.
Mat 7: 3-5 (GW)
3 So why do you see the piece of sawdust in another believer's eye and not notice the wooden beam in your own eye?
4 How can you say to another believer, 'Let me take the piece of sawdust out of your eye,' when you have a beam in your own eye?
5 You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye. Then you will see clearly to remove the piece of sawdust from another believer's eye.
Mat 7: 3-5 (CLV)
3 "Now why are you observing the mote that is in your brother's eye, yet the beam in your eye you are not considering?
4 Or how will you be declaring to your brother, 'Brother, let me extract the mote out of your eye,' and lo! the beam is in your eye?
5 Hypocrite! Extract first the beam out of your eye, and then you will be keen-sighted to be extracting the mote out of your brother's eye.
george. :)
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