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R.I.P. Nick Ardenhart!!

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Samson:
Good Post & Point Marques,

                                      We don't know what kind of effect that this tragedy might have on the
                                      victims and Family members regarding Nick Ardenhart's Death. As an
                                      example: I saw his Agent this Morning on the news being interviewed
                                      and crying about this tragedy and I realized that never have I witnessed
                                      a Baseball Agent crying about anything, I usually picture them solely
                                      concerning themselves about money and view them as greedy.

                                      Also, his death might "cause" some people to taste some humility, one
                                      team mate expressing how it could happen to anyone of us, at even such
                                      a young age and even a  "decent" person like Nick Ardenhart realizing,
                                      when it's your time to die, it's going to happen and we are powerless to
                                      stop it.

                                       See the part of Marques quote below in blue color print.

                                       I think Claudia has it right when she states that this even happened according to the will of God. We never know how this event will be 'meant for good' in the lives of the people in this victim's life or even those who see/hear of this incident. But truly, all is of God.


                                       Yes some good could result for the family of the victim
                                                         and other's, even the one who caused the accident,
                                                         perhaps being greatly humbled, something God had planned
                                                         for his benefit and correction.


                                          Just my thoughts, Samson.

Marky Mark:
  As Ray teaches, there is cause,and there is an effect, all being from God.
  We all make choices in our lives, some good :) ;),some not so good ??? :-\.Our Father in heaven deemed it necessary for all to make a choice, of matters of concern, in ones own individual heart.How else are we to learn from our mistakes and to learn righteousness if not by Gods own purpose and plan for humanity,we have to believe that God is in control,because if He isn't ,why are we even here? God is sovereign,its all of Him.


Peace...Mark



Email to Ray
 
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--- Quote ---Dear Whirlwind:

You are not understanding this subject and the principle behind it. You ask: "Is it man making the choices or is it God's predestination of things?"  It is BOTH.  Listen:  God is SOVEREIGN! Man therefore has NO FREE WILL OR NO FREE CHOICE.  That's it. That's all there is to it.  That IS the principle. That IS the Truth.  That IS what the Bible teaches.  It is not a contradiction to say that "Man makes his own choices."  You and millions of other just think it is a contradiction to say man makes his own choices if indeed God is sovereign and God is behind all in His creation.  It is not a contradiction. It only sounds like a contradiction for those who do not believe that "God is Sovereign, and Man has no free will."

I hardly know what else to tell you.  God made man's heart. Man did not make his own heart, or his body, or his mind, or his brain, or his will, or his hopes and dreams.  They are all PREDESTINATED by the foreknowledge of God.  So then we don't make choices, right?  NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO....WE DO MAKE CHOICES.  It's just that they are CAUSED by things we can't always see.  Sometimes we can see what makes our choices and some times we can't, but either way THEY ARE CAUSED.  And God, not us, already knows in advance the outcome of all of those caused choices. How does He do that?  He is very smart (has over a 150 IQ), plus HE IS SOVEREIGN, ALL WISE, AND ALL POWERFUL.....and don't forget LOVE.

So, does God FORCE EVIL MEN TO RAPE LITTLE GIRLS?  Well, does He?  Does God being Sovereign prove that God forces evil men to rape little girls?  That's what evil theologians deduce from the truth of no free will.  They turn the Sovereignty of God into one of the biggest evils in the universe. If God is Sovereign, then God must be EVIL, because there is so much evil in the world, and God is in control of all things, right?  Wrong, wrong, wrong!  Man makes all his own choices. Just because they are CAUSED does not mean that he does not make them.  He is, in fact, CAUSED TO MAKE HIS CHOICES. But God does not directly do this. He is responsible, but He does not directly cause those choices. Things like the Devil do such things.  And who created the Devil?  That's right, that One Who is Sovereign and in charge of all things.  Evil men like raping just like evil theologians like stealing widow's social security money.  God doesn't make them do it--THEY LIKE TO DO IT.  They volunteer with little outside influence.  God made humanity this way. He created them spiritually weak.  Eve couldn't help but sin.  God has a good purpose and God will straighten it all out in the end.

I guess I could just keep writing and writing and writing and one day someone will say................OHHHHHH, now I get it.  Maybe today is your day. I'm pulling for ya!!!

God be with you,

Ray
--- End quote ---

Marlene:
Hello, I agree with all that Marques has presented that Ray teaches. Only after believing all this have I been able to explain most of the things that caused me to do things I did not even think I would do. There was a cause for everything I have done in my life. Some good choices and some very poor choices. But, now I look back on it all and I see Gods hand in it all. I have walked the steps he has directed. I could say why now God what a waste of my life. But, he knew before I was born what steps he would lead me to take. I can wish I was younger, when I knew all these truths. But, it is all in his time and not mine.

Also, My sister was raped years ago. We never could find the man. She became pregnant from this rape. She almost lost the baby several times. It was Gods plan that this baby exist. Now, for several years My Father had cheated on my Mother and was abusive. But, he also, loved us. He became ill and had to retire at age 48. We expected him to die while I was in high school. But, what I am trying to show is through this babies birth My family all united. Including My Father. He knew, she needed a Father and he gave her his all. This grown woman now is taking care of my Sister who is paralyzed on her left side from a stroke. So, many awesome things happen from all these things. My Dad became so dedicated to the baby. He lived to see her raised and in her second year of college. My father was a changed man. Our whole family became so close. Now, I share things with my niece now but she has alot on her with working and care of her Mother. She is a beautiful human being inside and out. She has given up her personal life to take care of her Mother.

Well, I just wanted to show how God works in even bad things. How could we ever believe we have free will. I have done things before I would never have done. Those were  done by causes. Some of those choices were good some bad. But, they led me here. I am perfectly happy with however God directes my steps.

In His Love,
Marlene

mharrell08:
Thank you Marlene...these are the kinds of comments that edify the body of Christ; ones that testify of good things coming in spite of the evil events in life.


Thanks again,

Marques

aqrinc:
GOD IS; And GOD Is In Control, Joseph knew this and it is recorded for us. As Ray teaches over and over; GOD Is The Causer Of Everything. A few Scriptures to show Who is The Cause of whatever we foolishly think we free will into existence.

Gen 50: 20-22 (MKJV)
20  But as for you, you thought evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save a great many people alive.
21  And now do not fear. I will nourish you and your little ones. And he comforted them, and spoke to their hearts.
22  And Joseph lived in Egypt, he and his father's house. And Joseph lived a hundred and ten years.

And here is more of Scripture that Ray has written about to Show GOD'S Control in many different papers.

Isa 45: 5-9 (CLV)
5 I am Yahweh Elohim, and there is none else. There is no Elohim except Me. I am belting (girding, strenghtening) you, yet you do not know Me."
6 That they may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is a limit apart (none else) from Me. I am Yahweh Elohim, and there is none else."
7 Former of light and Creator of darkness, Maker of good and Creator of evil. I, Yahweh Elohim, made all of these things."
8 Drip, you heavens, from above, and the skies shall distil righteousness. The earth shall open, and it shall bud salvation. And righteousness shall sprout together with it, I, Yahweh, create it."
9 Will anyone contend with his Former? The earthenware with the ceramists? Is the clay saying to its potter, `What are you making?' And your contrivance, `No hands has he'?

george. :)

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