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Work Out your Own Salvation
aqrinc:
Php 2: 12-13 (ASV)
12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
Why is this Scripture so misquoted even by many who say they understand GOD'S Word. Almost everywhere this Scripture is quoted people put the emphasis on (working out your own salvation).
Paul is saying no such thing here; instead the emphasis is on the second verse (13) for it Is GOD Who Worketh in you.
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2199.msg17726.html#msg17726
Excerpt from Questions.
3. If even our Faith is a gift from God why does it say in Philippians 2:12 "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Is our Faith which leads to salvation from ourselves or from God?
COMMENT: "ALL is of God" (II Cor. 5:18, Rom. 11:36, etc.). Salvation is incorporated into the process of living. We are made to live. We have to live. We HAVE to make decisions and choices in life: it is forced upon us by the very nature of things. But although we are made to live out our individual experiences of life, behind it all is God. We "work out our own salvation with fear and trembling," not because we have the ability to do so independent of God, but rather because of what we are told in the next verse: "For [for means BECAUSE--here is the REASON we work out our own salvation]...For it is GOD which workies in you BOTH TO WILL AND TO DO of His good pleasure" (Phil. 2:13).
God be with you,
Ray
george. :)
Akira329:
Many pastors and ministers miss this. Free will gets in the way every time!
:)
Antaiwan
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: Akira329 on April 17, 2009, 06:48:59 PM ---Many pastors and ministers miss this. Free will gets in the way every time!
:)
Antaiwan
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Or just tear these verses out so we do not need to make any embarrasing retractions in the sermon on sunday.
Eph 2: 1-10 (YLT)
1 Also you--being dead in the trespasses and the sins,
2 in which once ye did walk according to the age of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience,
3 among whom also we all did walk once in the desires of our flesh, doing the wishes of the flesh and of the thoughts, and were by nature children of wrath--as also the others,
4 and God, being rich in kindness, because of His great love with which He loved us,
5 even being dead in the trespasses, did make us to live together with the Christ, (by grace ye are having been saved,)
6 and did raise us up together, and did seat us together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
7 that He might show, in the ages that are coming, the exceeding riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus,
8 for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you--of God the gift,
9 not of works, that no one may boast;
10 for of Him we are workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to good works, which God did before prepare, that in them we may walk.
george. ;D
EKnight:
--- Quote from: aqr on April 17, 2009, 06:21:03 PM ---
Php 2: 12-13 (ASV)
12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
Why is this Scripture so misquoted even by many who say they understand GOD'S Word. Almost everywhere this Scripture is quoted people put the emphasis on (working out your own salvation).
Paul is saying no such thing here; instead the emphasis is on the second verse (13) for it Is GOD Who Worketh in you.
george. :)
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It is the "fear and trembling" that I don't understand in this verse. Could someone explain this for me?
Eileen
aqrinc:
--- Quote from: EKnight on April 19, 2009, 05:34:10 PM ---
--- Quote from: aqr on April 17, 2009, 06:21:03 PM ---
Php 2: 12-13 (ASV)
12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
Why is this Scripture so misquoted even by many who say they understand GOD'S Word. Almost everywhere this Scripture is quoted people put the emphasis on (working out your own salvation).
Paul is saying no such thing here; instead the emphasis is on the second verse (13) for it Is GOD Who Worketh in you.
george. :)
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It is the "fear and trembling" that I don't understand in this verse. Could someone explain this for me?
Eileen
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Eileen,
This is not as hard as we have been taught, but as long as we see the Words (Spirit) and think with our understanding (carnal) we will keep working for something we can never achieve of ourselves; and get more fearful as we see how futile our best efforts are.
Really really read all the words and understand what this Scripture is saying to you and me and all who read it.
Php 2: 12-13 (ASV)
12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; (this is a semi colon; not the end of the sentence)
13 for (because) it is God who worketh in you both to will and to work, for his good pleasure.
But if you think it (your own salvation is of yourself to work out); then work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
george. :)
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