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Ever notice this?
Daniel:
--- Quote from: bobbys43 ---I don't know if this has anything to do with this but this thought just came to me!
Christ says that we(the elect) will judge the world and we will also judge the angels. I Cor. 6:2-3
It just seems to me that if we cannot forgive those that have done bad things to us(love your enemies)in this life and say we follow Christ we are liars and know not the truth.
Sounds like the church who seem to think they are righteous in all they do(works) but yet deny him in word and deed.
Like this is some real revelation that you all don't already know but that is what I see out of this.
Forgive me for being a tard at times! :roll:
bobby
--- End quote ---
Your not a tard :lol: I'm a bigger one :wink:
Exactly Bobby, isn't forgiving others walking in obedience to Him? If walking in obedience to "that" then I would see the wisdom in God giving judgment to the saints in that regard. Then not to those who do not walk obediently to this command. Not only with word but from "the heart" thats His doing as His love manifests showing us how this is possible with Him.
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Jude 1:15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.[/u]
I think that verse is up for dispute (?) Not sure but I can see this played out in a couple of places. There were two groups, "goats" (religious in nature coming in his name) and "sheep" (the other group). They were separated by the Lord through the "third group", which were "his brethren". Christ in them. So every eye sees Him yet they did not "perceive Him" who is a sign to be "spoken against". Notice their "speeches" and "deeds". Knowing the "good" they ought do and do it not sinneth?
Done unto (as in harm?)
Mathew 25:30 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Did "not do unto" (as in good?)
Mathew 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.[/u]
Way above its "to convince" the ungodly and here once is "convinced"
1Cr 14:24 But if all prophesy, and there come in one that believeth not, or one unlearned, he is convinced of all, he is judged of all: And thus are the secrets of his heart made manifest; and so "falling down on his face" he will worship GOD, and REPORT that God is IN YOU of a truth.
Sounds like
Romans 2:6 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
I'm looking at similarities here
Rev 5:9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.[/u]
1John 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.[/u]
The least of "these" my brethren.
So I'm wondering, what would judging the world look like if we are not to judge them yet God does and on what basis? Is it not their own words (Jesus said) would justify or condemn us? Then would not their own "speeches" spoken against HIM who is within them, the very words and deeds they are judged by?
Often we exclaim, "we will judge the world" but how? As shown above, even in part it seems ones faith condemns the world (as in the pattern) and every tongue that rises against YOU thou shalt condemn in "that respect" being our own words condemn ourselves see what I'm thinking?
So it would still be true that the saints who come with Him judge the world, but is it out of our mouths? Or is it the direction of their own lips against Him (who they saw yet did not perceive) that condemned themselves? Thats what I'm giving grreat thought. All would be true.
Again, they that "know not God" (Here) but in revelation they "say" they DO but LIE as John also affirms concerning loving our brethen.
2Thes 1:8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:[/u]
2Thes 1:9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from "the glory" of his power;[/u]
2Thes 1:10 When he shall come to "be glorified" in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because "our testimony" among you was believed) in that day.
This is not a heaven or hell thing because those in the end of the picture go into eternal life (which is to know the Lord) and John gives record of this, even as an "entrance" is "ministered unto us" into the Kingdom. An open door that he sets before us, opened only by Him. The others shut out from His presence or power as seen here.
See what I'm seeing here?
Daniel
lilitalienboi16:
Wait i think i get it, tell me if im wrong..
God says the Saints will Judge the world.
WE JUDGE THE WORLD BY NOT JUDGING THEM.
Am i right?
If i am, hip hip hurraaaaaaaaay :D
If not then........ eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee i need more help understanding the concept ;)
Daniel:
Alex thats how I'm seeing it more and more. I gathered a huge study I have been working on for sometime. The more I weigh the words concerning judgment the more convinced I am. What threw me off a little was the above posting concerning the wicked servant, I'm finding these everywhere (even below) concerning forgiveness. When I have it finished I hope to post it from the various angles it speaks from.
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son[/u]:
John 8:15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.[/u]
John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because "I seek not mine own will", but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Zach 7:9 Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Execute TRUE judgment, and shew mercy and compassions every man to his brother:[/u]
John 8:16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is TRUE:[/u] for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.
Mathew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.[/u]
Psalms 37:26 He is ever merciful, and lendeth; and his seed is blessed.[/u]
Mathew 5:7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.[/u]
The wicked servant which was forgiven did not pay back that forgiveness to others
Psalm 37:21 The wicked borroweth, and payeth not again: but the righteous sheweth mercy, and giveth.[/u]
Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: "condemn not", and ye shall not be condemned: "forgive", and ye shall be forgiven:[/u]
Isaiah 28:6 And for a spirit of judgment to him that sitteth in judgment[/u]
James 2:13 For he shall have judgment without mercy, that hath shewed no mercy; and "mercy rejoiceth against judgment".[/u]
God bless
Daniel
chrissiela:
Seems to me that judgment, at least in some senses, is discernment. This is how I see "thou hast rightly judged".
When we "try the spirits" to see whether they be of God or not, we are discerning or judging these things (or the people for whom they apply).
Paul said:
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.[/list:u]
And here we have:
1Co 6:3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?[/list:u]
See what I mean?
How about judging OURSELVES.
1Co 11:28 But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord's body.
1Co 11:30 For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep.
1Co 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.
1Co 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world.[/list:u]
And I see that being done from the INSIDE out (by having Christ in you); that is why God judges those who are "without". Judging NO man, and being judged by no man... yet being chastened of the Lord (His judgment, in that He gives us the ability to judge ourselves, etc) all at the same time. :roll: :lol: :lol:
Act 13:46 And Paul and Barnabas spake out boldly, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first be spoken to you. Seeing ye thrust it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of eternal life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.[/list:u]
A great study for sure... and certainly not an 'easy' one. :shock:
Chrissie
eutychus:
Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired thee in the night; yea, with my spirit within me will I seek thee early: for when thy judgments [are] in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Jhn 12:31 Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out.
inhabitants means to dwell, dwellers.
there are two types that dwell in the earth.
have you cast the beast out of you, the temple??
does Christ DWELL in you??
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
only those who have not cast darkness out can have devils dwelling in them
Act 26:18 To open their eyes, [and] to turn [them] from darkness to light, and [from] the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me
2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
1Cr 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
who wants to sit in the temple?
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
the beast dwells in the dust/flesh.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life
the future is NOW.
lets put on the spiritual glasses and see what is real.
love
euty
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