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Choices vs. Destiny
kenny:
Roy I think we do,
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
God is asking us to make a choice here,
i was reading an e-mail the other day that was to Ray, about robots and free will that might help.
Kat:
Hi Roy,
--- Quote --- I cant control my taste buds. Its the way I was made. I can choose apple or cherry because I like both, but if I don't like either then I cant control that. Where is choice if we are made that way?
--- End quote ---
That's just it God made us the way we are and there is nothing we can do about it, that's why He is responsible and He will make it right in the end. But like you said you do have choices (in the framework of what He made you to be), it is YOU who actually choose to do something or say something and YOU actually go through the motions to carry it out. When you are doing something you want to do, do you feel like God is forcing you to do it? No, you want to do it, that's why it will be you who is held accountable.
But can you see that God is the ultimate cause, because He is actually holding together the whole creation.
Col 1:17 He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.
So He is truly in control of all things, because it is God keeping everything working and going and keeping His plan moving forward.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
EKnight:
Roy,
We make choices all day everyday. The question is, why? Why did we choose this or that? The answer to the why is always God. Because God wanted it that way. Why did God want it that way? That is for Him to know and you to eventually find out.
Eileen
Amrhrasach:
Hi Daywalker. To answer, Roy asked about “preordained”. Your reply of the definition of “preordained” included “foreordain”. I included Ray’s writing of “predestinated”, which also links to “foreordain”.
“foreordain: to determine (events, etc.) in the future.”
Is everything preordained? Do you have a Scripture on that,friend?
Preordain: To appoint, decree, or ordain in advance; foreordain
Appoint: to assign officially to a job or position
Decree: An authoritative order having the force of law.
Foreordain: to determine (events, etc.) in the future
/v. prɪˈdɛstəˌneɪt; adj. prɪˈdɛstənɪt, -ˌneɪt/ Show Spelled pre⋅des⋅ti⋅nate Pronunciation [v. pri-des-tuh-neyt; adj. pri-des-tuh-nit, -neyt] Show IPA verb, -nat⋅ed, -nat⋅ing, adjective
–verb (used with object) 1. Theology. to foreordain by divine decree or purpose.
2. Obsolete. to foreordain; predetermine.
–adjective 3. predestined; foreordained.
Ray: “They are all PREDESTINATED by the foreknowledge of God.”
So, if God is “determining” events of the future then does it (?) go to say that the “choices” we make are also “pre-determined” by God? If so, then where does that leave the “choice”? A clear matter?, not necessarily. But the “choice” appears to clearly rule out “free-will”.
Honestly, and again, it’s a difficult subject for me and apparently others which is why I stated to those that readily understand they are blessed indeed. Even though a dictionary can define the words, only God grants the wisdom to understand. And again for those who understand they have been truly blessed. But for those of us, I’m speaking mainly to myself, that don’t quite yet “get it” in cement fashion this mountain of challenge continues to loom, a sure witness that God is in control even of understanding.
That’s all I was attempting. Not picking. Just hoping to help for Roy or anyone else who may yet to understand. But as far as quoting Ray, well, that happens all day long here on this forum as I’m sure many other events not on this forum.
Gary
zander:
This is an interesting article. A Question that i have asked myself many times. We can round and round discussing it, but the truth of the matter is that everything in front of us is pre-destined.
This is the bottom line.
What will happen - absolutely WILL happen. Whether im moving my little finger or whether i become president of the USA, if its pre-destined it ABSOLUTELY WILL HAPPEN. Or Not happen as the case may be - either way - its predestined.
I never understood the film The Matrix until i read Ray's artciles. But truth is, the Matrix is a close description of what this life really is. For a good reason of course.
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