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Adam=Good and apparently Eve=Evil?
Marky Mark:
--- Quote from: Sandyk on April 24, 2009, 10:52:06 PM ---Hey Everyone,
First off, I don't want to offend anyone with this post though I am offended by the following verses below. Makes me wonder how many women have read the Bible when you hear scriptures regarding women in the Bible.
I Corinthians 14;34 Let your women keep silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak;but they are to be submissive, as the law also says.
I Corinthians 14;35 And if they want to learn something, let them ask their own husbands at home; for it is shameful for women to speak in church.
I Corinthians 7;13 But if any man thinks he is behaving improperly toward his virgin, if she is past the flower of youth, and thus it must be, let him do what he wishes. He does not sin; let them marry. [/color] Timothy I 2;11 Let a woman learn in silence with all submission.
Timothy I 2;12 And I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.
Timothy I 2;14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression.
(Excuse me, were they not both deceived Eve by the serpent and Adam by Eve? This was God's plan all along why punish women for this and not men as well?
There are no female disciples or apostles. It seems to me God is clearly stating that women are less valuable than men. Actually, does say women are weaker. Which explains all the sexism in the world today.
Really, how are men suppose to respect women when in the Bible God does not consider them equal. Are we (women) not part of Adam who is made in the image of God, which in turn would make us also the image of God?
A virgin does not receive pleasure in sex just the man. Child birth is also painful for women just like he said it would be. No such pain is inflicted on Adam.
1 John 2:13, John says, "I write to you, fathers, because you have known him who is from the beginning. I write to you, young men, because you have overcome the evil one. I write to you, dear children, because you have known the Father." No mention is made of women.
Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
This is what we (women) get. Its no wonder women suffer so much today. I guess this is also why men can only rape women and not vice versa. Sure, women have molested boys but a woman can not rape a man.
God, is pretty much saying we are slaves to men.
Good (Adam) Evil (Eve) or should I say Man=Good and Woman=Evil. I am guessing this is how God came up with the name Eve short for evil. I guess Adam is short for Adamant (very hard native crystalline carbon valued as a gem). Synonyms: diamond. (English) Actually, I know the real definitions in Hebrew but these fit just as well.
To be honest it sounds like the Bible was composed by a bunch of sexist men.
I am sure the men are not going to like this but hey God says that you are supreme to women so I am sure you will get over it because I am just a weak women who cares what I have to say. As far as God is concerned I should just shut my mouth and submit.
I am pretty sure the few verses that I mentioned are not parables, but I am up for constructive critism. If anyone has any logical reason why I should not feel so offended by God's all knowing plan for women on this earth?
Sandyk
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--- Quote ---To be honest it sounds like the Bible was composed by a bunch of sexist men.
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Scripture was inspired by the Word of God,not men.
--- Quote ---I am sure the men are not going to like this but hey God says that you are supreme to women so I am sure you will get over it because I am just a weak women who cares what I have to say. As far as God is concerned I should just shut my mouth and submit.
I am pretty sure the few verses that I mentioned are not parables, but I am up for constructive critism. If anyone has any logical reason why I should not feel so offended by God's all knowing plan for women on this earth?
Sandyk
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Luke 14
11 For every one that exalts himself shall be humbled, and he that humbles himself shall be exalted.
1 Peter 3
7 Husbands, likewise, dwell according to knowledge with the feminine as the weaker vessel, bestowing honor as on those that are also heirs with you of the grace of life, that your prayers be not hindered.
Philippians 1
9 And I pray for this, that your love may abound yet more and more in all knowledge and understanding, 10 that you prove the things that are excellent, that you may be pure and without offense to the day of Christ,
1 Corinthians 13
1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not love, I have become sounding brass or a clanging cymbal.
2 And though I have prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge, and though I have all faith so as to remove mountains, but have not love, I am nothing.
3 And though I give all my goods away in food, and though I deliver up my body that I may be burned, but have not love, I am profited nothing.
4 Love suffers long, is kind; love: envies not; love is not boastful, is not puffed up;
5 does not behave itself improperly, seeks not her own, is not provoked, charges not the evil,
6 rejoices not in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth:
7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.
8 Love never fails; but whether prophecies, they shall come to naught: or tongues, they shall; cease; or knowledge, it shall come to naught.
9 But we know in part, and we prophesy in part:
10 when, however, the perfect has come, that; in part shall come to naught.
11 When I was a child, I talked as a child, I thought as a child, I reasoned as a child: when I became a man, I put away the things of a child.
12 For now we see by means of a mirror in an enigma, but then face to face: now I know in part, but then I shall know even as I was known.
13 And now abides faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
In Peace and Understanding...Mark
meee:
Hi Sandy,
I'm not offended at all by your post. But, as a woman I neither am offended by the Scriptures .
I haven't had good men in my life, starting with my dad that would beat us. He pleasured in making a leather strap, that had strips of leather ,so when it hit, it lashed more than once.
Before marrying, the men I found were only after one thing, it seemed to me.
My husband is kind,loving and tries to be good. But, I would love for him to take some control in our family. It's all pretty much been left up to me to raise the kids and ,paying the bills, being in control of our finances. I would love for him to take the responsibility from me.
He has led, in where he wants to attend church though, which I followed for years.
For me, I see that though God is no respecter of persons, we are made a bit different and women tend to lead with their heart and so maybe, God in His wisdom, put men over us for our help, not to hurt us. Now, some can take it all wrong and they want to hurt us, but that isn't God's doing, it is carnal mans.
I believe God and know He loves me and has called me, in that, I am no differant than when He loves and calls a man. To me that is the most important thing. It's not like He made me and then because I'm a woman, He doesn't want anything to do with me. No, He drags me to Himself and says come to me, I love you and want you with me!
I cherish that!
Sandy, please P M me, if you want to talk,
much love,meee { Terry }
PM me if you need to talk.
Sandyk:
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on April 25, 2009, 01:30:34 PM ---Rodger, good to see you back in prime time. :)
Peace...Mark
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Sandyk:
--- Quote from: Sandyk on April 25, 2009, 01:39:26 PM ---
--- Quote from: Marky Mark on April 25, 2009, 01:30:34 PM ---Rodger, good to see you back in prime time. :)
Peace...Mark
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Mark,
Thanks, Out of everything I have read Ray's theory seems more logical to me than any thing else I have read or heard. I just really don't see my purpose here on earth thats what I am searching for. I really feel like I am losing it. I feel delusional at this point because I am just not sure of anything anymore. My logical mind is saying no way and that I must be losing my mind. My spirit or what ever you want to call it will not let go. I can not quit thinking and reading about GOD and the BIBLE.
Sandyk
Marlene:
Sandy, I will tell you this. After, finding Ray's website I pray more. I read the Bible more. I cannot get enough of it. Be patient with God he will help you to understand his truths. I know, my spirit was hit with all kinds of questions. There are some really nice people who are willing to help you. But, the best advice right now is what Rodger gave you. That, is to read Ray's articles over ande over. I have been reading the Sermon On The Mount Is For You
Why? God caused me to need to read it. I am trying to learn more about the fruits of the spirit. Believe me I know and others know. When, I first joined Rodger welcomed me and told me I would find all kinds of things coming at my spirit. You are welcome to PM me and discuss what is coming at you. If, I cannot help, but believe me God has been teaching me alot lately. In my Spirit, I am learning to discern what Spirit is coming to me. God or something in me or the adversary.
Beloved, gave me good advice read read read. Its good when we get topics in here because that is another way to learn. But, then again it goes back again to Ray's teaching which is Gods truth. George(AGR) his post (Kat)post Rodgers So, many to mention without typing all there names. Then the ones like Kathy who God gives her the gift of wanting prayer for others and giving prayer for others. You don't have to be afraid to ask they love us. We are family. Eileen ask questions. I see her as humble to show her vlunerability.
Just remember we are all in this together we are family. If, ever I can help let me know.
In His Love,
Marlene
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