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Spirtual, physical, or both? Can it be both?
nightmare sasuke:
Act 9:9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.
I’m pretty sure Paul was experiencing spiritual blindness; the absence of eating and drinking, was the absence of scriptural truth (what he once thought was truth, and the real truth).
Act 9:17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.
Act 9:18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.
Act 9:19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.
The scales’ falling from his eyes was the “strong delusion� which keeps us from knowing the truth. This happened after he received the Holy Spirit. The “meat� he received, I think is the meat of the scriptures. However, the Greek word is better-translated nourishment:
τροφή
trophē
trof-ay'
From G5142; nourishment (literally or figuratively); by implication rations (wages): - food, meat.
Paul mentions in Corinthians that he has been feeding the Corinthians with milk, and not meat:
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
This leads one to believe the meat Paul received earlier on was indeed spiritual meat. However, the Greek word Paul used in Corinthians was a different word, though about the same in meaning:
βρῶμα
brōma
bro'-mah
From the base of G977; food (literally or figuratively), especially (ceremonial) articles allowed or forbiden by the Jewish law: - meat, victuals.
However, Paul later mentions:
Heb 5:12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
This time the word he used to express meat is the same that was in acts: trophē.
With these facts in place, it is easy to see that milk and meat usually refer to the Scriptures, which also leads one to believe that Paul received spiritual meat. However, my question for you all is this: when things happen in the Bible that appears literal, are they equivocal? In other words, do they carry both the literal and spiritual meaning?
PS. I noticed Paul was prayed over to receive the Holy Spirit. Do you still need to be prayed over to receive the Holy Spirit today, or can you just ask?
Chris R:
hello,
1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Is there a physical truth in Scripture?
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
Jhn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Jhn 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Christ did not speak to the multitude in parables so they could easily understand him, He spoke in parables to the multitudes so that many would NOT understand Him.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
It is all one big spirtual lesson, The entire Bible is a parable.
Peace
Chris R
rvhill:
--- Quote from: Chris R ---hello,
1Cr 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Is there a physical truth in Scripture?
Jhn 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
Jhn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
Jhn 6:65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
Jhn 6:66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Christ did not speak to the multitude in parables so they could easily understand him, He spoke in parables to the multitudes so that many would NOT understand Him.
Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat 13:10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
Mat 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
It is all one big spirtual lesson, The entire Bible is a parable.
Peace
Chris R
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I disagree, and this why we need the Holy Spirit
nightmare sasuke:
Why do you disagree? Use some scriptures as proof.
rvhill:
--- Quote from: nightmare sasuke ---Why do you disagree? Use some scriptures as proof.
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Life is one big spiritual lesson, but the entire Bible is not a parable. a parable is a story. A simple story illustrating a moral or religious lesson. here is the question is a parable a true a event or not? if a parable is a true event then, the eternal hell doctrine has a stronger footing? Or, do you believe that the story of Paul on the road to Damascus is a fictional account?
Now if you want to say it can also be used as a metaphor for the strong delusions and The “meat� of the word. I have no problem with that.
2 Corinthians 12
Paul's Vision and His Thorn
1I must go on boasting. Although there is nothing to be gained, I will go on to visions and revelations from the Lord. 2I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows. 3And I know that this man—whether in the body or apart from the body I do not know, but God knows— 4was caught up to paradise. He heard inexpressible things, things that man is not permitted to tell. 5I will boast about a man like that, but I will not boast about myself, except about my weaknesses. 6Even if I should choose to boast, I would not be a fool, because I would be speaking the truth. But I refrain, so no one will think more of me than is warranted by what I do or say.
7To keep me from becoming conceited because of these surpassingly great revelations, there was given me a thorn in my flesh, a messenger of Satan, to torment me. 8Three times I pleaded with the Lord to take it away from me. 9But he said to me, "My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness." Therefore I will boast all the more gladly about my weaknesses, so that Christ's power may rest on me. 10That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
Do you believe this to be a factual account? If not what man could feed the meat of the word to this man?
Remember even Paul say he does not understand this.
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