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God Judge Jesus?
larissa4676:
Hello Everyone,
I have some questions and I'm not sure where I can find what I call "quick answers". You see, normally if I have a question I just find Ray's take on it, study what I find that Ray says, and so on. This is why I call it quick. He alreadys has the references laid out for us.
Anyway... A guy was trying to tell me the other day that God judged Jesus. Is this correct? I couldn't find any scriptures on that by typing the two words 'judge" (and it's variations) and Jesus. The point was he said that Jesus died because he was judged by God. However, I said that Jesus died because he who knew no sin became sin (2 Cor 5:21) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). Another point was that this person believes in living this great life by design, having all you want, blah blah blah. I said no, you must die to have life. Is this incorrect? I really feel like we run away and are not willing to give the thing required most of us...our physical life.
I don't know, but I'm sure someone here does.
Thanks.
Larissa
mharrell08:
--- Quote from: larissa4676 on May 04, 2009, 02:02:46 AM ---Hello Everyone,
I have some questions and I'm not sure where I can find what I call "quick answers". You see, normally if I have a question I just find Ray's take on it, study what I find that Ray says, and so on. This is why I call it quick. He alreadys has the references laid out for us.
Anyway... A guy was trying to tell me the other day that God judged Jesus. Is this correct? I couldn't find any scriptures on that by typing the two words 'judge" (and it's variations) and Jesus. The point was he said that Jesus died because he was judged by God. However, I said that Jesus died because he who knew no sin became sin (2 Cor 5:21) and the wages of sin is death (Rom 6:23). Another point was that this person believes in living this great life by design, having all you want, blah blah blah. I said no, you must die to have life. Is this incorrect? I really feel like we run away and are not willing to give the thing required most of us...our physical life.
I don't know, but I'm sure someone here does.
Thanks.
Larissa
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Hello Larissa,
Christ did not become sin as He was sinless...but He was a sin offering for our sins.
FYI...excerpt from 'Was Christ made Sin?' (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,6719.0.html):
Jesus Christ was not ‘the sin’ of the world offered on the cross, He died on the cross FOR our sins. Can you not understand simple words? An offering was a sacrifice back in Israel ‘for’ the sin. That’s why it was not called sin, it was called a SIN OFFERING.
Here is 2 Cor. 5:21 translated;
“For Him who knew no Sin, He made a Sin-offering on our behalf, that we might become God’s Righteousness in Him” (Emphatic Diaglott).
“For the One not knowing sin, He makes [Gk. Aorist - not past tense] to be a sin offering for our sakes that we may be becoming God’s righteousness in Him” (Concordant N.T.).
This is the proper order too. It should not be “for He made Him sin,” the first phrase is “For Him who knew no Sin.”
As far as God 'judging' Jesus, that's unscriptural and seems to be made up out of thin air:
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 9:39 And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.
John 5:30 I [Jesus] can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
Hope this helps and glad you're still here,
Marques
Kat:
Hi Larissa,
--- Quote ---you must die to have life. Is this incorrect? I really feel like we run away and are not willing to give the thing required most of us...our physical life.
--- End quote ---
I was looking at what you said here, since Marques took care of the rest of your questions. To receive 'life' you do indeed have to die, this is what it means to be baptized into Christ Jesus, but this is a spiritual death to the carnal/flesh that is in us.
Rom 6:3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?
v.4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 8:10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
So until Chirst comes inside/indwelling you are carnally minded and spiritually dead.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
v. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.
v. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
When the Spirit is indwelling this is 'life,' but only the earnest for now, until the first resurrection.
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
v.9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
Rom 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
Hope this helps :)
mercy, peace and love
Kat
larissa4676:
What amazing, amazing truths. Thanks Marques and Kat.
aqrinc:
Hi Larissa,
Nice to see you peek out for a bit, winter is over you know.
That person and many or most others have this as their motto: Let us eat drink and be merry.
Here is the answer From Jesus Christ Himself.
Luk 12: 15-21 (GNB)
15 And he went on to say to them all, "Watch out and guard yourselves from every kind of greed; because your true life is not made up of the things you own, no matter how rich you may be."
16 Then Jesus told them this parable: "There was once a rich man who had land which bore good crops.
17 He began to think to himself, 'I don't have a place to keep all my crops. What can I do?
18 This is what I will do,' he told himself; 'I will tear down my barns and build bigger ones, where I will store the grain and all my other goods.
19 Then I will say to myself, Lucky man! You have all the good things you need for many years. Take life easy, eat, drink, and enjoy yourself !'
20 But God said to him, 'You fool! This very night you will have to give up your life; then who will get all these things you have kept for yourself ? ' "
21 And Jesus concluded, "This is how it is with those who pile up riches for themselves but are not rich in God's sight."
And this is our Hope In Jesus Christ:
1Co 15: 12-24 (CLV)
12 Now if Christ is being heralded that He has been roused from among the dead, how are some among you saying that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 Now if there is no resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ been roused."
14 Now if Christ has not been roused, for naught, consequently, is our heralding, and for naught is your faith."
15 Now we are being found false witnesses also of God, seeing that we testify by God that He rouses Christ, Whom, consequently, He rouses not, if so be that the dead are not being roused."
16 For, if the dead are not being roused, neither has Christ been roused."
17 Now, if Christ has not been roused, vain is your faith - you are still in your sins!"
18 Consequently those also, who are put to repose in Christ, perished."
19 If we are having an expectation in Christ in this life only, more forlorn than all men are we."
20 (Yet now Christ has been roused from among the dead, the Firstfruit of those who are reposing."
21 For since, in fact, through a man came death, through a Man, also, comes the resurrection of the dead."
22 For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified."
23 Yet each in his own class: the Firstfruit, Christ; thereupon those who are Christ's in His presence;"
24 thereafter the consummation, whenever He may be giving up the kingdom to His God and Father, whenever He should be nullifying all sovereignty and all authority and power."
george. :)
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