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No one is greater then John the baptist!
love_magnified:
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--- Quote from: chrissiela ---
--- Quote from: love_magnified ---Yes, but the kingdom is not a matter of waiting to die and go to heaven. Those scriptures testify to that. The reason that the least in the kingdom are greater than John the Baptist, is because the least of these have the spirit of Christ within them.
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Oh, sorry. I don't think Daniel was saying that. If so, I missed it. Daniel's repeatedly said that we don't die (physically) for these things to be true.
So what you said threw me off. :oops:
Chrissie
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No I wasn't, sorry if I caused confusion. I had asked a question only to show "the point" by way of comparison found in Paul. I'm not sure how Love_magnified was seeing what I was sharing, I didn't catch that one. I actually agree with what Love_Maginified said. The not dying to "go to" heaven. I think your both right on.
Daniel
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Actually I wasn't disagreeing. I should have made that more clear. I was responding to this from the very first post.
"Name the great people you admirer the mos in life and they are less then the least in heaven. Also, who really want to be the least in the kingdom of heaven. I don't know about you, but I want to be first. Being first is what Paul race was all about."
The reason I quoted both was not to disagree with Daniel, but to to emphasize the point if rvhill is believing that we are waiting to get to heaven to enter the kingdom and be great in Christ.
mercie:
The reason I quoted both was not to disagree with Daniel, but to to emphasize the point if rvhill is believing that we are waiting to get to heaven to enter the kingdom and be great in Christ.
Nicely explained L-M.
For the Kingdom is now.
As Chrissie mentioned, sitting in the heavenlies.
Daniel:
--- Quote from: love_magnified ---
--- Quote from: Daniel ---
--- Quote from: chrissiela ---
--- Quote from: love_magnified ---Yes, but the kingdom is not a matter of waiting to die and go to heaven. Those scriptures testify to that. The reason that the least in the kingdom are greater than John the Baptist, is because the least of these have the spirit of Christ within them.
--- End quote ---
Oh, sorry. I don't think Daniel was saying that. If so, I missed it. Daniel's repeatedly said that we don't die (physically) for these things to be true.
So what you said threw me off. :oops:
Chrissie
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No I wasn't, sorry if I caused confusion. I had asked a question only to show "the point" by way of comparison found in Paul. I'm not sure how Love_magnified was seeing what I was sharing, I didn't catch that one. I actually agree with what Love_Maginified said. The not dying to "go to" heaven. I think your both right on.
Daniel
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Actually I wasn't disagreeing. I should have made that more clear. I was responding to this from the very first post.
"Name the great people you admirer the mos in life and they are less then the least in heaven. Also, who really want to be the least in the kingdom of heaven. I don't know about you, but I want to be first. Being first is what Paul race was all about."
The reason I quoted both was not to disagree with Daniel, but to to emphasize the point if rvhill is believing that we are waiting to get to heaven to enter the kingdom and be great in Christ.
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Agreed we do desire to run the race set before us knowing only ONE gets the prize, Christ in us as the strong man running that race. I see it being in Him. How we veiw even this is spoken of by Christ.
Mathew 23:11 But he that is greatest among you shall be your servant.[/u]
Paul was a bondservant of Christ, He was "CALLED" the LEAST but He was in fact GREATER then John
Mark 9:35 And he sat down, and called the twelve, and saith unto them, If any man DESIRE to BE FIRST, the same shall be LAST of all, and servant of all.[/u]
Mathew 20:16 So THE LAST shall BE FIRST, and the first LAST: for many be called, but few chosen.[/u]
Whats CALLED one THING is not nessesarily what it truly IS. He was called a heretic but was true, least but the greatest of them being a bondservant of Christ. He becoming of no "reputation" and "all things" to all men had nothing it it "for himself". He did not to appear to be anything "of himself". The weighter glory that comes from God and not men was his desire. He was a true servant of the Lord. No man would come forth not "announcing HIMSELF" but Paul lost that rep and became like others in order to HELP THEM (wherever they were).
I love that about Paul, being last is truly being "first"
Daniel
love_magnified:
Amen to all of the above. It is worth noting that Paul is saying to run as though to be first not to be first. He is simply speaking about desire, being earnest in pursuit of the prize. The kingdom is now, yes, but the kingdom we enter into is the same kingdom without "wicked servants" and it is the crown of righteousness we run to recieve. His metaphor is about being persistent and eager, knowing that God will have no pleasure in them who fall away. Good words.
rvhill:
--- Quote from: love_magnified ---Amen to all of the above. It is worth noting that Paul is saying to run as though to be first not to be first. He is simply speaking about desire, being earnest in pursuit of the prize. The kingdom is now, yes, but the kingdom we enter into is the same kingdom without "wicked servants" and it is the crown of righteousness we run to recieve. His metaphor is about being persistent and eager, knowing that God will have no pleasure in them who fall away. Good words.
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I agree with this
I did not really use the part about Paul's race well, simply, because Paul's race is about faith as much as anything else. I do agree with Paul being greater then John the Baptist, but I believe when Jesus is talking of the kingdom of heaven, Jesus is talking about the resurrect, the next life. I believe that the least in the kingdom of heaven will be greater then Paul. Neither John or Paul were perfect, but those in the kingdom will be. I just do not see the Kingdom as being now in us.
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