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EKnight:
My sister asked me last week if I was part of a cult!! I said, not unless following the bible is a cult.
Eileen
Marlene:
Eileen and Roy, I will have to remember those. I know, from looks they have given me they think I have lost it. I left my chiropractor with his mouth hanging open. I told him I believed Jesus is the Saviour of the World. I had to change my appt. so I go back to him Monday. I will let you all know what he thinks about Ray's website. He was interested in reading it.
In His Love,
Marlene
aqrinc:
Eileen,
Here is some very good information for you to go over. I would move it around, but you need to at least read all this excerpt.
Excerpt from: The Lake of Fire - Part VIII http://bible-truths.com/lake8.html
WHERE IS THE CHURCH THAT JESUS BUILT?
FROM GLORY TO GLORY
There is a progression in the rewards promised to the conquering overcomers in the Churches that is vital for us to see and understand. If one is "saved" (past tense, finished, completed, with absolutely no possibility of losing that salvation at any time before we die), then there are indeed some Scriptural contradictions to such a theory.
We need to get very serious for a moment. Salvation culminates for the believer in the First Resurrection to spiritual life and immortality. However, before that time, during the life of each believer, there are warnings in the Scriptures about ways that one can become disqualified from being in the first resurrection. Let’s notice just a few of them:
"Wherefore let him that thinks he stands take heed LEST HE FALL" (I Cor. 10:12).
"If they should FALL AWAY, to renew them again unto repentance…" (Heb. 6:6), and
"For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. But a certain fearful looking for of JUDGMENT and fiery indignation [the lake of fire] which shall devour the adversaries" (Heb. 10:26-27).
"Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; you are FALLEN FROM GRACE" (Gal. 5:4).
"Looking diligently lest any man FAIL OF THE GRACE of God…" (Heb. 12:15).
"They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation FALL AWAY" (Luke 8:13).
"Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a FALLING AWAY first…" (II The. 2:3).
"But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should (be) A CASTAWAY [Gk: disqualified]" (I Cor. 9:27).
"Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" (I Tim. 4:1).
"For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the LATTER END IS WORSE WITH THEM THAN THE BEGINNING [before they were converted]. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, TO TURN FROM the holy commandment delivered unto them" (II Peter 2:20-21).
"And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough [having begun to follow Christ] and looking back [desiring his old sinful life again] IS FIT FOR THE KINGDOM OF GOD" (Luke 9:62).
Don’t think that these verses were written in vain. Jesus said that "many" would say to Him in that day, "Lord, Lord…," but Jesus will tell them to "depart." It is not enough to accept Jesus Christ as your Saviour and go no further. You must continue growing spiritually. We must CONTINUE following Christ all the days of our life.
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on Him, If you CONTINUE in My word, then are you my disciples indeed" (John 8:31).
There are some encouraging words in the Scriptures, however, that tell us that there is a way to know in your walk with Christ whether you are SAFE from ever falling away, and the message to the Seven Churches contains this same teaching. Peter tells us how we can be SURE that we will NEVER FALL:
"And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge; and to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness; and to godliness brotherly kindness; and to brother kindness charity [LOVE] … Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for IF YOU DO THESE THINGS, YOU SHALL NEVER FALL (II Pet. 1:5-7 & 10).
george. :)
Roy Martin:
Hello George
If any should fall away, wouldn't that be Gods will?
Just when I think I have understanding, I see the word if in the Scriptures you quoted above. I know that God is always in control. I feel like I just got back on the the merry go round. ???
Roy
EKnight:
Roy,
I thought the same thing when I read:
"For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins. But a certain fearful looking for of JUDGMENT and fiery indignation [the lake of fire] which shall devour the adversaries" (Heb. 10:26-27).
I don't know that I "sin willfully", I just sin, I am a "sinning machine". So when I read a scripture like the one above, I too am back to the drawing board of knowledge. I can't figure out how others read this and easily reconcile it in their minds. It brings forth questions in my mind and yet others seem to either just disregard it or understand it better than me? It's having to constantly question these things that makes me just want to throw in the towel. Someone tries to answer one of my simple questions with scripture and I just end up with more questions. It's just frustrating and I am sick of saying "oh I guess God just doesn't want me to see or hear yet". At times I am convinced God is drawing me away. :(
Eileen
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