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aqrinc:


Ditto from me Eileen, read my previous post again, all the words blue-bold included.

george. ;D

Kat:

Hi Eileen,

I look at it this way, this life is for the experience that we gain by living it, both good and evil.  Even the Elect are blind to begin with and their experiences at that time serve a purpose.  These life experiences developes character in us from our thoughts and actions, so we have have good or bad traits.  Then when someone has their eyes opened they must overcome the bad character traits they have developed from their past life.  But they learned from the experiences they had about good and evil, it a process.  For a few this judgment begins now.

1Peter 4:17  For the time has come for judgment to begin with the household of God; and if it begins with us, what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?

So it is with all of humanity we are having an experience of life right now and for most their judgment will come later in the LOF.  Only a very few know the meaning of this life and the process that is going on at this time, much less what will happen after this life.

1Co 3:12  Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
v. 13  each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
v. 14  If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
v. 15  If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Roy Martin:
Im quite certain that Gods presence in my life is an influence to some that have crossed my path, even though they might be non believers. We go through the trials with hope and trust in God. Nonbelievers just go through it as they do, but they are an influence on us as we are them.
 I remember when I was a nonbeliever that from time to time I  would think to myself that I would like to have some of what that believer had.
 When I look at the world I cant keep from being thankful.
 It takes the negative and the positive kind of thing. Where there is smoke, there's fire.
Am I making any sense here?  A weed grows with the flower but the weed produces a flower. Definitively there is no difference. One good, one bad, but they are both flowers.
God is working in all of us, the whole world, good and or the bad.

Roy

cjwood:

--- Quote from: jacobbsladdr on May 07, 2009, 07:46:28 AM ---
Since all is of God, God controls everyone and everything.
Did Pharaoh know that by being an unbeliever & worshiping false gods, he was doing the will of God?   

did claudia's husband know that by being an unbeliever, he was doing the will of God?

The same applies to non-believers today.  God works through them to reach his children who do believe.   
Every single person has a purpose in which they are raised up for. 
That person suited the need that God created them for.   
Every person you see around you, has a purpose under God's plan. 
It doesn't matter if they believe in God or not,
God believes in each one of them and uses each one of them for His purposes.


--- End quote ---
these quotes from jacobbsladdr reminded me of the circumstance in my life that first caused me to question the whole burning in hell doctrine. one day about 6-7 yrs ago, i was discussing things of the Scriptures with my husband, who is a non-believer (he describes himself as an agnostic). anyway, he made the statement that why would he want to believe in a God who was going to burn everyone in hellfire forever if they didn't believe in Jesus Christ. he mentioned all the millions of people in other countries who were very loving, kind people who happened to have been raised in their cultures believing as a hindu or buddhist, or muslim, but would be sent to hell because they did not learn of Jesus Christ.

and the rest is history so to speak. it was at that moment, after my husband the non-believer, made his statements that all i could say in my church indoctrinated dogma was that, "well, that's what the bible says, that no one can come to the Father except through Jesus Christ". i PRAISE MY FATHER for not allowing me to continue in that spiritual ignorance. He yanked me by the neck and sat me down and then quietly whispered to me that it was all a LIE.  :-\  it was that very moment that God had planned for me from the beginning, that moment when an unbelieving spouse would be used in the life of a believing spouse to SHOW the believer that what i thought was the truth was blasphemy. the god that would send his enemies to burn in hellfire forever was a false god. the True God is LOVE, and He is a Father who loves all His creation, and uses each and everyone of us for His purpose.

so anyway...i just wanted to offer a case in point where God again has used an unbeliever for HIS purposes. there are many other circumstances that God has brought about through my husband, that He has used to teach me and to remind me that He is driving THIS car.

claudia

judith collier:
Eileen, what's that saying, "there are no atheists in a foxhole." I don't think those unbelievers are doing as good as the believers in handling their problems. Some of them go through the worst hell imaginable until they are brought to their knees. I don't know how some of them get through it all. Well, they don't, look at the prisons, the druggies, the alcholics, etc.  Judy

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