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Abu Musab al-Zarqawi Killed in Iraq
Alan:
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Alan, It is simply not enough walking and talking above everyone else; remember how Christ chastised the pharisees for their disdain of all not of their order. Not for a moment should we think that we cannot fall into the same trap. Unfortunately, neither you, I or any one else in this world is free from the influence of Satan.
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I am doing no such thing......but I stand in truth!
THE DOCTRINE OF CHRIST!
I'm not trying to debate you, but show you why I think your not clear on the subject.
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Jesus himself was meek and never walked with airs.
Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
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But as we both know, as you stated above, that Christ did chastise the Pharisees in Matthew 23 for there heresy. I'm not chastising you, but speaking truth in love.
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So Alan you say that our world leaders (read President Bush) " serve their father, the devil, just as much as Osama Bin Laden."
Really!! So may I ask you how YOU can read a man's or woman's heart in order to discern what is inside. I thought that was only something that God can do. Are you certain of that, I mean willing to argue with Christ that "He" was mistaken, that our authorities did not have God in their hearts. Really, you know this? I think not. We, each one of us is the living proof of the will of God.
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It's called testing the spirits Yellowstone.
1Jo 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1Jo 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
This is the litmus test!
1Jo 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
1Jo 4:7 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
1Jo 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
Are these leaders loving their enemies, or is it a tooth for a tooth and an eye for an eye?
Yes, they are in God's will, just as everyone is that is alive on this planet.
Are they part of God's elect? Are any of us? We will know if we come up in the first resurrection.
I say that they are not because they don't follow Christ's commandments.
Luk 6:46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
Mat 5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
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But your above quote is double-side, which is something God's Word is never. You state that our authorities are put in place by God but serve their father, the devil, just as much as Osama Bin Laden, really!!! And you know this?
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This is not double sided!
You cannot serve two masters.......It's one or the other!
Mat 6:24 No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
God puts everyone in their place, whether you serve Him or not.
He's either totally sovereign, or He's not.
2Jo 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
Does either man abide in the doctrine of Christ? Do they love their enemies?
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You state that: "Our war is spiritual, and not physical like the people of this world."
Not true my friend.
Alan, please consider the words of John:
1Jo 3:17 But whoso hath the world’s goods, and beholdeth his brother in need, and shutteth up his compassion from him, how doth the love of God abide in him?
Now the words of Jesus:
Alan, how will you answer Jesus when he say's to you:
Mat 25:45 ......Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did [it] not to one of the least of these, ye did [it] not to me.
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What you are refering to is everything in the physical realm.
What do we do in this realm?
We love everyone, including our enemies!
This is what we, as followers of Christ and His Doctrine fight against....
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
This is spiritual, not physical.
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Do you not see the physical connection here. These are not spiritual words, but words by which we are commanded to lead our daily lives.
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I totally disagree! These are all spiritual words!
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
These are the words that we live our daily lives by spiritually. How we live spiritually comes out of us physically, like loving your neighbor as yourself.
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Remember what Jesus taught:
Luk 10:30 And Jesus answering said, A certain [man] went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded [him], and departed, leaving [him] half dead.
Luk 10:31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
Luk 10:32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked [on him], and passed by on the other side.
Luk 10:33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion [on him],
Luk 10:34 And went to [him], and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
Luk 10:35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave [them] to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
Luk 10:36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
Luk 10:37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
So if anyone of us, distances from ourselves from those in need, (just as the Priest and the Levite) is distancing ourselves from God, for what ever we do (or not) for the lowest of these, we do likewise to Christ. Are we so prideful of our relationship with God that we ignore such as these.
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Distancing ourselves from those in need are not obeying Christ's commandments.
Joh 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
This is a spiritual commandment, as they all are.
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Gosh I hope not; Alan, we are mandated to act, to help; and like it or not, our authorities are in place by the will of God and not Satan.
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Like it or not, God created and ordained Satan to be the adversary. I'm not suppose to follow him and I won't follow and submit to any authority if it goes against Christ's law.
(Example: If my country told me I had to take up arms and fight for freedom, then I would say "NO THANKS")
It's just like Peter said in Acts to the governing authorities......
Act 5:27 And when they had brought them, they set them before the council: and the high priest asked them,
Act 5:28 Saying, Did not we straitly command you that ye should not teach in this name? and, behold, ye have filled Jerusalem with your doctrine, and intend to bring this man's blood upon us.
Act 5:29 Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
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Rom 13:1 Let every soul be in subjection to the higher powers: for there is no power but of God; and the powers that be are ordained of God.
With Love,
Yellowstone
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We are under subjection as long as it does not go against the Royal Law of Christ!
With love in Christ!
Alan
worm:
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Christianity is no less evil than their warped islamic views. You cant tell me that Bush or Blair dont beleive in an eternal fire either. Pots and kettles.
Leave one another alone
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Refreshing view Zander...coming from a "westener" 8)
tell me...if we tally up the kills by Zarqawi vs Bush and Blair...who'd have the most?
and let's not forget...the whole war in Iraq is based on a LIE...there are and never were Weapons of Mass Destruction...the only WMD is the western alliance...or don't you watch the news?
EVERYDAY an average of 20 people are dying...this is the "democracy" that the west is bringing
I believe that this war is the start of the war to end all false religions...Islam, Judaism and Christianity...the three frogs of Revelation maybe?
Judgement is being brought upon all who are involved in this war...and all empires will fall...the Rock will grind all to dust...
Repent for the time of reckoning is at hand...and don't offer your sons and daughters to the god of the lie..."come out of her my people" :wink:
Falconn003:
And God call those churches who sleep with politics WHORES !!!
Food for thought ???
Rodger
Becky:
yellowstone: I read over what you wrote last night and the rest of this thread this morning....
Here is what I see between the two sides of this arguement.
Both aguements here are valid but ther are unsound with relation to each others way of interpreting.
Here are some facts:
1. God's word does not contradict
2. The sum of God's word is truth
(we all see this, I'm sure)
Now, if this is so, why can we not find agreement on this topic...
your words answer my question:
you said "Do you not see the physical connection here. These are not spiritual words, but words by which we are commanded to lead our daily lives. "
Unfortunaltely, the way you are interpreting the scripture as physical, makes my arguement unsound and the way I am interpreting the scripture (spiritually) makes your arguements unsound.
We: (each side of this arguement) are not arguing on the same level, therefore, I cannot spend anymore time "arguing" on this topic. It is a mute point. I will not offer a rebuttle to your point because it is unsound with the terms I am descerning the word.
Thanks though for inspiring me to dig further for the truth!
YellowStone:
--- Quote from: Becky ---yellowstone: I read over what you wrote last night and the rest of this thread this morning....
Here is what I see between the two sides of this arguement.
Both aguements here are valid but ther are unsound with relation to each others way of interpreting.
Here are some facts:
1. God's word does not contradict
2. The sum of God's word is truth
(we all see this, I'm sure)
Now, if this is so, why can we not find agreement on this topic...
your words answer my question:
you said "Do you not see the physical connection here. These are not spiritual words, but words by which we are commanded to lead our daily lives. "
Unfortunaltely, the way you are interpreting the scripture as physical, makes my arguement unsound and the way I am interpreting the scripture (spiritually) makes your arguements unsound.
We: (each side of this arguement) are not arguing on the same level, therefore, I cannot spend anymore time "arguing" on this topic. It is a mute point. I will not offer a rebuttle to your point because it is unsound with the terms I am descerning the word.
Thanks though for inspiring me to dig further for the truth!
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Becky, my dear Sister,
I am saddened by your response. It sounds as if you are seperating us by our level of understanding. This is truly sad.
Becky, You are mistaken. I am NOT interpreting the scripture physically, rather I am simply applying it (physically) as we are mandated to do.
1Jo 3:17 But whoso hath the world’s goods, and beholdeth his brother in need, and shutteth up his compassion from him, how doth the love of God abide in him?
May God Bless you.
Yellowstone
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