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TheRysta

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What do the Dead Sea scrolls say?
« on: May 14, 2009, 05:53:43 PM »

I may just not have been observant enough but I can't find Ray commenting on what the Dead Sea scrolls say about hell. I can't find any internet consistency with regards to it and I was wondering if anyone had some information about these.

Thanks!
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Marky Mark

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Re: What do the Dead Sea scrolls say?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2009, 05:32:29 PM »

I may just not have been observant enough but I can't find Ray commenting on what the Dead Sea scrolls say about hell. I can't find any internet consistency with regards to it and I was wondering if anyone had some information about these.

Thanks!


Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that Ray has oodles of writings on bible-truths.com on the subject of hell ::). I would begin my research there.

2 Timothy 2
23 and the foolish and uninstructed questions be avoiding, having known that they beget strife, 24 and a servant of the Lord it behoveth not to strive, but to be gentle unto all, apt to teach, patient under evil, 25 in meekness instructing those opposing -- if perhaps God may give to them repentance to an acknowledging of the truth, 26 and they may awake out of the devil's snare, having been caught by him at his will.



Peace...Mark



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TheRysta

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Re: What do the Dead Sea scrolls say?
« Reply #2 on: May 17, 2009, 10:25:58 AM »

I've already read the stuff he has written about hell in the bible. I was just wondering whether Hades, aionios etc. etc. are used in the same context in the Dead Sea scrolls. If they are not, or if they contradict the bible then that brings up a problem.
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Deborah-Leigh

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Re: What do the Dead Sea scrolls say?
« Reply #3 on: May 17, 2009, 11:25:47 AM »

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mharrell08

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Re: What do the Dead Sea scrolls say?
« Reply #4 on: May 17, 2009, 11:42:51 AM »

I've already read the stuff he has written about hell in the bible. I was just wondering whether Hades, aionios etc. etc. are used in the same context in the Dead Sea scrolls. If they are not, or if they contradict the bible then that brings up a problem.


What problem would that be?


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daywalker

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Re: What do the Dead Sea scrolls say?
« Reply #5 on: May 17, 2009, 09:19:15 PM »

The Dead Sea Scrolls are not 'separate' from the Bible. They're are just more ancient manuscripts of the Original. They are in both Hebrew and Greek, so they use the same words as all other manuscripts

Hebrew: Sheol
Greek: Hades, Gehenna, Tartarus.


Since none of the Originals were written in English, you won't find the word "hell" in any of them.

Hope that answers your question,

Daywalker.  8)
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musicman

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Re: What do the Dead Sea scrolls say?
« Reply #6 on: May 17, 2009, 11:11:42 PM »

Well gee?  I don't thing they're more ancient than the originals.  Don't think that would be possible.
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TheRysta

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Re: What do the Dead Sea scrolls say?
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2009, 12:25:27 PM »

I didn't know that they were all the same. I did think that there were some new manuscripts. I got this from little adverts I saw over the net saying, "Dead Sea scrolls reveal suprise about hell" and things like that.
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daywalker

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Re: What do the Dead Sea scrolls say?
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2009, 05:23:08 PM »

I didn't know that they were all the same. I did think that there were some new manuscripts. I got this from little adverts I saw over the net saying, "Dead Sea scrolls reveal suprise about hell" and things like that.


When it comes to the Originals, there are some slight variations between some manuscripts...

Example: "The last twelve verses, 16:9–20, are not present in the fourth century manuscripts Sinaiticus and Vaticanus, the earliest complete manuscripts of Mark."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_16#Mark_16:9.E2.80.9320_in_the_manuscript_tradition

Also, unfortunately, some of the many Originals which have been discovered over the years have been tampered with by corrupt people.. usually Church Leaders and Theologians [ironically]...  :o

Example: The Comma Johanneum

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum


There are also many manuscripts which are not genuine, and have been forged.. Example: the Gospel of Judas.


Of the thousands of manuscripts that have been found over the centuries, many of them are fragments, ranging from a few verses, to a few chapters, very few are complete books. That's what made the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls so huge.. because it contained several complete books. [I personally haven't seen any of them, but I base this knowledge on a little research that I have done...].

As for the Dead Sea Scrolls containing a 'new revelation' different from the other Original manuscripts, that's simply not true. You won't EVER find the English word "Hell" in ANY Hebrew or Greek Manuscript.

IF you haven't done so already, I'd recommend these studies:

READING: http://bible-truths.com/lake7.html --'Church Heresy Came Long Before Bible Errors'


AUDIO: November 2007 Mobile Conference  How We Got The Bible
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Session 1 11_03_07.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Session 2 11_03_07.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Session 3 11_03_07.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Session 4 11_03_07.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Session 5 11_03_07.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Session 6 11_03_07.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Session 7 11_04_07.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Session 8 11_04_07.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/Session 9 11_04_07.mp3

TRANSCRIPT for How We Got The Bible-- http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,5815.0.html


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- Daywalker.  8)

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