1 John 5:16-17

[lferretj]

1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

Does anyone have another witness to say that their are sins that don't lead to death? I don't quite understand this passage so any enlightenment or a better translation would be much appreciated.  Thank You
   lferretj

[aqrinc]

Here are Scripture Witnesses to 1John 5: 16-17, there are more but this should help you to find them. I used Nelson (NKJV) Bible margin and then e-sword to cross reference.

Job 42:8 (MKJV)
And now take to yourselves seven young bulls and seven rams, and go to My servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering. And My servant Job will pray for you. Surely I will lift up his face so as not to do with you according to your foolishness, in that you have not spoken of Me what is right, like My servant Job.

Jer 14: 10-12 (MKJV)
10  So says Jehovah to this people; So they have loved to wander; they have not restrained their feet; therefore Jehovah does not accept them. He will now remember their iniquity and visit their sins.
11  Then Jehovah said to me, Do not pray for this people for good.
12  When they fast, I will not hear their cry; and when they offer burnt offering and a grain offering, I will not accept them. But I will consume them by the sword, and by the famine, and by the plague.


Mat 12: 31-32 (LITV)
31  Because of this, I say to you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven to men, but the blasphemy concerning the Spirit shall not be forgiven to men.
32  And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him. But whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, not in this age nor in the coming one.

george.

[mharrell08]

1 John 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that. 17 All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death.

Does anyone have another witness to say that their are sins that don't lead to death? I don't quite understand this passage so any enlightenment or a better translation would be much appreciated.  Thank You
   lferretj

Here are a few other versions:

1 John 5:17  Every wrong thing we do is sin. But there are sins that do not lead to death. [NIVR]

1 John 5:17  Everything that is wrong is sin, but not all sins are deadly. [CEV]

1 John 5:17  All unrighteousness is sin, and there is sin not leading to death. [NKJV]

1 John 5:17  All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin which does not [involve] death [that may be repented of and forgiven]. [AMP]

This passage is helped to be understood from the one before it, 1 John 5:16:

If any man see his brother sin a sin [which is] not unto death, he shall ask, and he [Christ] shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.

John says if we see [Gk. see or perceive] a brethren sin a sin not unto death [2nd death], we shall ask and Christ shall give them life for sin 'not unto death'. John then says that 'sin unto death' we are NOT to pray for.

I like the Amplified translation the best for this passage, though it does take some leverage with interpretation, but to me gives the best understanding. This translation states that there is sin that does not lead into death [again, the 2nd death aka Lake of Fire] because these sins can be repented and forgiven. And Christ confirms that when stating how there is sin that 'will not be forgiven' until repented of:

Matt 12:31-32  Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

Luke 12:8-10  Also I say unto you, Whosoever shall confess me before men, him shall the Son of man also confess before the angels of God: But he that denieth me before men shall be denied before the angels of God. And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost it shall not be forgiven.

Heb 10:26-27  For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Email from Ray on 'unforgivable sin & blasphemy' (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2175.msg17731.html#msg17731) [Reply #2]:

Dear Jennifer:
Jennifer, I have many hundreds of emails ahead of yours, but I took the time to answer your before them all. It is not possible, however, for me to write essay type answers to hundreds and thousaands of emails. I realize that this is hard for many people to understand. Your email is about 6 pages long. If all my emails were 6 pages long, I would have to read thousands of pages each year before I could answer all my emails. Try that some time.

Don't apologize in one sentence and then put me down in the next. I did give you constructive criticism in my answer to you. I said that your theory was not Scriptural, because if it was, then Paul himself would have commited the "unpardonable sin" when he persecuted the Church of Christ in the name of God.

However, I do not wish for you to be despondent over this matter or me.

When Jesus warned of this sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, it was when He had cast out demons. The Scribes said that Jesus cast out devils by the prince of devils (Mark 3:22).  The Pharisees also accused Him of this very same thing (Matt. 9:34). And we are told that Jesus gave that stern warning, "Because they said, He [Jesus] has an unclean spirit."

But this alone is not all there is to this sin. Even in the Old Testament, when one sinned "ignorantly," he was held to a lower standard than if he sinned "willfully, knowlingly."  God's principles are always true. There was more to the sin of these Scribes and Pharisees than merely stating that Jesus had a devil and cast out devils by the prince of devil. The truth is THEY KNEW BETTER.  They knew that they were lying in order to deceive the multitudes who were beginning to believe in and trust Jesus as a Man of God. They were SINNING AGAINST LIGHT.  They were sinning aginst WHAT THEY KNEW WAS THE TRUTH.  And how do we know this?  We are frankly TOLD this in the Scriptures.

In John 3 we have a "Ruler of the Jews" by the name of Nicodemus, and this is what we are told by him:  "There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a RULER [this man KNEW what the Scribes and the Pharisees believed behind closed doors] of the Jews. The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto Him, Rabbi, WE [Scribes, Pharisees, Rulers, Jews]  KNOW  that you are a Teacher COME FROM GOD; for no man can do these miracles [such as casting out demons] that You do, except GOD BE WITH HIM"  (John 3:1-2).

It is when we KNOW the truth and blaspheme AGAINST THE TRUE LIGHT THAT WE KNOW, that we then "blaspheme against the Holy Spirit" which is the means by which light and truth is imparted.
God be with you,
Ray


Hope this helps,

Marques