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Title: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Craig on July 03, 2007, 11:01:17 AM
I have been pondering something for a few days now, and have thought of this question many times in the past.  If I could meet and talk to one person in the bible (other than Jesus) who would it be?

Paul?, one of the disciples? An OT saint or prophet?  No

I think I have came up with the answer, at least for me, at this point in my life. 

Care to guess?

Blessings!
Craig
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: rk12201960 on July 03, 2007, 11:11:47 AM
Hi Craig,Great question!
Hmmmm  ???

Would it be Adam?

Gods speed.
Randy
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Kat on July 03, 2007, 11:15:48 AM
Hi Craig,

Now you got me to thinking about this.
Probably not one that you mentioned.

Right Randy, what about Adam, first man, walked with God in the garden, would be some really good conversation there.  I'd talk to Eve get the women's perspective.

Or what about Noah, building the ark, but amagine seeing all the animals come on board, and the floor, then the new land.  You would get some interesting stuff from him I'm sure.  But I would talk to his wife, you know the women's perspective.

Then what about one of Jesus' brothers, it would be great to hear stories of Him growing up.  And yes I would want to talk to His sister.

Interesting question.  One day we will be talking to all these people  8)

mercy, peace, and love
Kat

Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Redbird on July 03, 2007, 11:25:49 AM
Hi Craig,

Jabez came to mind.  Though he wasn't altogether forgotten, as a little book came out several years ago, dedicated to his prayer.  But, the bible does not tell us what happened to him....after God granted his request!  I would like to find out what became of him.

Peace, Lisa
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: YellowStone on July 03, 2007, 11:26:46 AM
Hi Craig,

I have two men whom I would like to speak too. One would have to be Jonas, so I could find out what really happened during his time in the belly of the whale. :)

There are of course many wise and nobel men that could teach me much, but the person whom I would like to speak to most would be the centurion who stood at the foot of the cross as Christ died.

Something was revealed to him then and there, for he said:

Mar 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God.  

To me, that must have been the most profound experience possible. I wonder how it changed his life.

Great question :)

Love in Christ,
Darren
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: DizzyD on July 03, 2007, 11:40:39 AM
               Craig,
                         You really know how to get people to blow a gasket so early in the morning.
               I had the same question put to me about 2 yrs ago and I have had time. I have mused about this off and on and at this point and time have a candidate in mind. The reason for this person came about because of his commitment to what he was called to do in an age where it could have cost him his life if hes was wrong but he trusted the calling. This person would be Joseph. I would absolutely love to know what it would have been like to watch my Savior grow up before my eyes. I do wonder what stories Joseph is going to have to tell.
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Craig on July 03, 2007, 11:43:29 AM
Bravo!!!!!!!!!
Dizzy

I'll elaborate more myself later today.

Craig
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: mari_et_pere on July 03, 2007, 11:47:54 AM
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I do wonder what stories Joseph is going to have to tell.

Gosh I about spit my pop out when I read that line! If Joseph is anything like my parents, he'll embarrass the socks off of Jesus. "Ha! Did I ever tell ya about the time that Jesus was helping me on the roof, and it was still wet........"

Matt
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: hillsbororiver on July 03, 2007, 03:00:47 PM
Hi Craig,

There are really so many Adam, Abraham, Moses, Job, David, Isaiah, actually any and all the men of old would be awesome to say the least, but Joseph and his unique perspective of our Lord in His youth and the personal trials the circumstances of Mary's pregnancy and Jesus' birth presented to him (and Mary) must have been an experience only he could explain.

Great topic!

Joe
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Craig on July 03, 2007, 05:47:29 PM
O.k.  Joseph the earthly father of Jesus was my choice.

At this point in my life and in the middle of the awesome responsibility of being a parent, I would love to meet and talk to Joseph.

Mary is always talked about and Joseph is just an asterisk but can you imagine the pressure he must have felt and how blessed he was among men to be chosen to rear the Son of God?  I can't even imagine. A father must instill many things into a young man as he grows up, and for God to give that responsibility to Joseph must have been very humbling to him.

Remember that in that day and age the women kept the home but the men took the role of taking care of his family both spiritually as well as their physical existence.  How he must have worried for Jesus well-being.  What would it have been like to raise Jesus as a son and teaching him a trade?  What kind of example would he need to have shown Jesus while interacting with others, his worldly views, etc.?  How bad must he have felt when he failed to live up to the responsibility given to him and he displayed the human traits all fathers do at times?

Would he have lost his temper with Jesus at times? (Son, how many times have I told you, measure twice, cut once?) :D

In my humble opinion, Joseph was probably the greatest man in scripture next to Jesus, and I would love to talk with him.

Craig
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Patrick on July 03, 2007, 08:15:16 PM

Would he have lost his temper with Jesus at times? (Son, how many times have I told you, measure twice, cut once?) :D


Jesus: Dad, remember Who you are talking too.  :D

Sorry, Craig, I could not resist. ;D

I can't imagine having children in any day and age. It scares the beejeebies out of me.
Endeavour to Persevere!  Lone Watie (Chief Dan George/Outlaw Josey Wales)
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Robin on July 03, 2007, 08:41:06 PM
I ran across this letter years ago. When I read it, it really hit me that the men and woman in the bible were human just like we are. That's easy to forget sometimes. The letter is just a story and not in the bible, but I thought it could have possibly happened in this way. They were all human just like we are with struggles and emotions just like we have.

Joseph's Letter Home
by Dr. Ralph F. Wilson


Dear Mom,

We're still in Bethlehem--Mary and I and little Jesus.

There were lots of things I couldn't talk to you about last summer. You wouldn't have believed me then, but maybe I can tell you now. I hope you can understand.

You know, Mom, I've always loved Mary. You and dad used to tease me about her when she was still a girl. She and her brothers used to play on our street. Our families got together for supper. But the hardest day of my life came scarcely a year ago when I was twenty and she only fifteen. You remember that day, don't you?

The trouble started after we were betrothed and signed the marriage agreement at our engagement. That same spring Mary had left abruptly to visit her old cousin Elizabeth in Judea. She was gone three whole months. After she got back, people started wondering out loud if she were pregnant.

It was cloudy the day when I finally confronted her with the gossip. "Mary," I asked at last, "are you going to have a baby?"

Her clear brown eyes met mine. She nodded.

I didn't know what to say. "Who?" I finally stammered.

Mom, Mary and I had never acted improperly--even after we were betrothed.

Mary looked down. "Joseph," she said. "There's no way I can explain. You couldn't understand. But I want you to know I've never cared for anyone but you." She got up, gently took my hands in hers, kissed each of them as if it were the last time she would ever do that again, and then turned towards home. She must have been dying inside. I know I was.

The rest of the day I stumbled through my chores. It's a wonder I didn't hurt myself in the woodshop. At first I was angry and pounded out my frustrations on the doorframe I was making. My thoughts whirled so fast I could hardly keep my mind on my work. At last I decided just to end the marriage contract with a quiet divorce. I loved her too much to make a public scene.

I couldn't talk to you. Or anyone, for that matter. I went to bed early and tried to sleep. Her words came to me over and over. "I've never cared for anyone but you.... I've never cared for anyone but you...." How I wished I could believe her!

I don't know when I finally fell asleep. Mom, I had a dream from God. An angel of the Lord came to me. His words pulsated through my mind so intensely I can remember them as if it were yesterday.

"Joseph, son of David," he thundered, "do not fear to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit."

I couldn't believe my ears, Mom. This was the answer! The angel continued, "She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins."

The angel gripped my shoulders with his huge hands. For a long moment his gaze pierced deep within me. Just as he turned to go, I think I saw a smile on his shining face.

I sat bolt upright in bed. No sleep after that! I tossed about for a while, going over the words in my mind. Then I got up and dressed quietly so I wouldn't wake you.

I must have walked for miles beneath the moonless sky. Stars pricked the blackness like a thousand tiny pinpoints. A warm breeze blew on my face.

I sang to the Lord, Mom. Yes, me, singing, if you can imagine that. I couldn't contain my joy. I told Him that I would take Mary and care for her. I told Him I would watch over her--and the child--no matter what anyone said.

I got back just as the sun kissed the hilltops. I don't know if you still recall that morning, Mom. I can see it in my mind's eye as if it were yesterday. You were feeding the chickens, surprised to see me out. Remember?

"Sit down," I said to you. "I've got to tell you something." I took your arm and helped you find a seat on the big rock out back. "Mom," I said, "I'm going to bring Mary home as my wife. Can you help make a place for her things?"

You were silent a long time. "You do know what they're saying, don't you, son?" you said at last, your eyes glistening.

"Yes, Mom, I know."

Your voice started to rise. "If your father were still alive, he'd have some words, I'll tell you. Going about like that before you are married. Disgracing the family and all. You... you and Mary ought to be ashamed of yourselves!"

You'd never have believed me if I'd tried to explain, so I didn't. Unless the angel had spoken to you, you'd have laughed me to scorn.

"Mom, this is the right thing to do," I said.

And then I started talking to you as if I were the head of the house. "When she comes I don't want one word to her about it," I sputtered. "She's your daughter-in-law, you'll respect her. She'll need your help if she's to bear the neighbors' wagging tongues!"

I'm sorry, Mom. You didn't deserve that. You started to get up in a huff.

"Mom," I murmured, "I need you." You took my hand and got to your feet, but the fire was gone from your eyes.

"You can count on me, Joseph," you told me with a long hug. And you meant it. I never heard another word. No bride could hope for a better mother-in-law than you those next few months.

Mom, after I left you I went up the road to Mary's house and knocked. Her mother glared at me as she opened the door. Loudly, harshly she called into the house, "It's Joseph!" almost spitting out my name as she said it.

My little Mary came out cringing, as if she expected me give her the back of my hand, I suppose. Her eyes were red and puffy. I can just imagine what her parents had said.

We walked a few steps from the house. She looked so young and afraid. "Pack your things, Mary," I told her gently. "I'm taking you home to be my wife."

"Joseph!" She hugged me as tight as she could. Mom, I didn't realize she was so strong.

I told her what I'd been planning. "We'll go to Rabbi Ben-Ezer's house this week and have him perform the ceremony."

I know it was awfully sudden, Mom, but I figured the sooner we got married the better it would be for her, and me, and the baby.

"Mary, even if our friends don't come, at least you and I can pledge our love before God." I paused. "I think my Mom will be there. And maybe your friend Rebecca would come if her dad will let her. How about your parents?"

I could feel Mary's tiny frame shuddering as she sobbed quietly.

"Mary," I said. I could feel myself speaking more boldly. "No matter what anyone says about you, I'm proud you're going to be my wife. I'm going to take good care of you. I've promised God that."

She looked up.

I lowered my voice. "I had a dream last night, Mary. I saw an angel. I know."

The anguish which had gripped her face vanished. She was radiant as we turned away from the house and began to walk up the hill together.

Just then her mother ran out into the yard. "Wait," she called. She must have been listening from behind the door. Tears were streaming down her cheeks.

"I'll get your father," she called, almost giddy with emotion. "We," she cried as she gathered up her skirts. "We," she shouted as she began to run to find her husband. "We ... are going to have a wedding!"

That's how it was, Mom. Thanks for being there for us. I'll write again soon.

Love, Joseph

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The Birth of Jesus Christ
Matthew 1:18This is how the birth of Jesus Christ came about: His mother Mary was pledged to be married to Joseph, but before they came together, she was found to be with child through the Holy Spirit. 19Because Joseph her husband was a righteous man and did not want to expose her to public disgrace, he had in mind to divorce her quietly.
   20But after he had considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream and said, “Joseph son of David, do not be afraid to take Mary home as your wife, because what is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. 21She will give birth to a son, and you are to give him the name Jesus, because he will save his people from their sins.”

   22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23“The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel”–which means, “God with us.”

   24When Joseph woke up, he did what the angel of the Lord had commanded him and took Mary home as his wife. 25But he had no union with her until she gave birth to a son. And he gave him the name Jesus.
 
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Joey Porter on July 03, 2007, 10:29:10 PM
O.k.  Joseph the earthly father of Jesus was my choice.

At this point in my life and in the middle of the awesome responsibility of being a parent, I would love to meet and talk to Joseph.

Mary is always talked about and Joseph is just an asterisk but can you imagine the pressure he must have felt and how blessed he was among men to be chosen to rear the Son of God?  I can't even imagine. A father must instill many things into a young man as he grows up, and for God to give that responsibility to Joseph must have been very humbling to him.

Remember that in that day and age the women kept the home but the men took the role of taking care of his family both spiritually as well as their physical existence.  How he must have worried for Jesus well-being.  What would it have been like to raise Jesus as a son and teaching him a trade?  What kind of example would he need to have shown Jesus while interacting with others, his worldly views, etc.?  How bad must he have felt when he failed to live up to the responsibility given to him and he displayed the human traits all fathers do at times?

Would he have lost his temper with Jesus at times? (Son, how many times have I told you, measure twice, cut once?) :D

In my humble opinion, Joseph was probably the greatest man in scripture next to Jesus, and I would love to talk with him.

Craig


This is a good point.  I, myself, have always just thought of Joseph as being just there.  But you bring out a good observation about him.  He had to have been a man of fine character to be the earthly father of Jesus.

My guess was going to be Tola son of Puah, the son of Dodo.   8)
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: GODSown1 on July 03, 2007, 11:01:20 PM
Wow!!!! Amen & Amen,
                                   d@ was so Awesum!!!, yep! hez my choice 2 :).
                                   muchLOVE!! Pera
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Pax Vobiscum on July 03, 2007, 11:58:00 PM
Judas.  Definitely Judas.

Peace

(Been on vacation, but kudos for some interesting discussions!)
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: DuluthGA on July 04, 2007, 04:04:18 AM
I would have voted for Judas also.

With intrigue, Janice
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Chris R on July 04, 2007, 08:36:36 AM
Hi Craig,

I like the way you think!....I suppose a sit down with Joseph would be really enlightening, Great choice!

But i guess "depending on were your thoughts are" I would pick "Lazarus"
How many guys could ya sit down with and say....so..how did it feel to be ressurected back to life? Ceartainly there is no perception in death, but we do feel the process of dying, and likewise, we must then "feel" the process of ressurection.

But even more than that "Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus."[John 11-5]

Lazarus knew the Lord, and that conversation would be pretty cool also!

thanks

Chris R.

Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: TimothyVI on July 04, 2007, 08:54:45 AM
All of the apostles made great sacrifices for Jesus.
But I think that Judas made the first and possibly the greatest sacrifice.
He made his very name a synonym for traitor. And don't forget that Jesus chose him
for that task.
I would definitely like to talk to him.

Tim
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: chuckt on July 04, 2007, 11:25:26 AM
goliath :P
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: hillsbororiver on July 04, 2007, 01:22:08 PM
You know if anyone wants to have a sit down with Judas there are plenty of his ambassadors in the pulpits and on TV who are constantly betraying Jesus for filthy lucre. They too have the same spirit within them as Judas did in him.

Luk 22:2  And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill him; for they feared the people.
 
Luk 22:3  Then entered Satan into Judas surnamed Iscariot, being of the number of the twelve.
 
Luk 22:4  And he went his way and communed with the chief priests and captains, how he might betray him unto them.
 
Luk 22:5  And they were glad and covenanted to give him money.
 
Luk 22:6  And he promised and sought opportunity to betray him unto them in the absence of the multitude.

I remember "Jesus Christ Superstar" where the premise was that Judas was the real hero of the New Testament, the gospel of Andrew Lloyd Webber & Tim Rice.

His Peace and Wisdom to you,

Joe
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Pax Vobiscum on July 04, 2007, 04:19:33 PM
I remember "Jesus Christ Superstar" where the premise was that Judas was the real hero of the New Testament, the gospel of Andrew Lloyd Webber & Tim Rice.

I don't mean to propose a drift to this fun thread, but I know every note of "Superstar" and invite you to listen again.  It is a beautifully written opera with only one hero throughout the work -- Jesus. 

Peace
(American Federation of Musicians Local 161-710)
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: josh on July 04, 2007, 05:59:14 PM
He wouldn't be my first choice but, I think it would be interesting to meet Obed-edom from 2 Samuel 6:10-11... I think he would have some great stories from the 3 months the ark was placed in his home.
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on July 04, 2007, 06:09:54 PM


From the OT it would be Abraham. I think Abraham was the quietly wise type of a strong and generous soul that is so rare and precious. I think he would need a lesson or two about sleeping around though! :D and taking his wife's advice! :D ;D

In the NT I would enjoy meeting with John and experiencing why Jesus loved him so dearly. He was the only one willing to stand with all the women at the foot of His cross. He was special!

Peace to you

Arcturus :)

Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: GODSown1 on July 04, 2007, 10:08:46 PM
After a Good nights sleep, :D
                                      Ive changed ma mind frm Joseph (JESUS earthly dad) 2 um!  Noah!, coz wow! hw freaky it wouldve been buildn da Ark den being in it, man I jus fink hw KrazY!!, But! all in da name of.
                                       muchLOVE!! Pera
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Redbird on July 04, 2007, 10:23:25 PM
Hi Pera,

I recently saw a good movie, Evan Almighty, that is a take on Noah and the arc.  It was funny and touching!

Peace, Lisa
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: hillsbororiver on July 05, 2007, 09:07:33 AM
I remember "Jesus Christ Superstar" where the premise was that Judas was the real hero of the New Testament, the gospel of Andrew Lloyd Webber & Tim Rice.

I don't mean to propose a drift to this fun thread, but I know every note of "Superstar" and invite you to listen again.  It is a beautifully written opera with only one hero throughout the work -- Jesus. 

Peace
(American Federation of Musicians Local 161-710)


Hi Pax,

I do not doubt you know every note of this opera but I am not so sure you are as familiar with the lyrics. Perhaps it is you who should listen to it again my friend, here is a review (that I did not write).  ;)

Jesus Christ Superstar

Music: Andrew Lloyd Webber

Lyrics: Tim Rice

Conception: Tim O'Horgan

Jesus Christ Superstar chronicles the last seven days in the life of Jesus of Nazareth as seen through the eyes of his disciple, Judas Iscariot, who has become disillusioned with the movement. At the opening of the play, Judas agonizes over his perception that Jesus' followers have become fanatical and unrealistic, hailing him as a god and twisting his words into monstrous prophecies. After all, in Judas' mind, Jesus is only a man--a man with certain inconsistencies, as evidenced by his relationship with Mary Magdalene. As the crowds in the street grow more and more out of control, the rift between Jesus and Judas grows. After watching Jesus lose control in the temple, lashing out at the moneylenders and merchants, then begging to be left alone when a crowd of cripples surround him asking to be healed, Judas is more convinced than ever that the man from Nazareth is just that--a man, and nothing more. He determines that Jesus, having lost control of the mob, has become dangerous and must be stopped. He goes to the priests and gives them all the information they need to catch Jesus alone so that they can take him prisoner without risking violence by the mob. After leading the soldiers to Gethsemane, however, and watching the events that unfold, Judas soon realizes that he has been tricked by God into being the instrument of Jesus martyrdom. Furious that the man from Nazareth will be remembered as a "Superstar," Judas hangs himself.

Originally appearing as a record because producers were afraid to take a chance on such a daring production, Jesus Christ Superstar eventually premiered at the Mark Hellinger Theatre in New York on October 12, 1971 with Ben Vereen (Judas), Jeff Fenholt (Jesus), Yvonne Elliman (Mary), Barry Dennen (Pilate), and Paul Ainsley (Herod). Despite opposition from certain religious groups, this production became a huge boxoffice hit and ran for 720 performances. The 1973 film version featured Ted Neeley and Carl Anderson.

 
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: hillsbororiver on July 05, 2007, 09:19:05 AM
There is also this from Wikipedia;

Jesus Christ Superstar

The Broadway show and subsequent productions were condemned by some religious groups. Some Christians claimed that by showing Jesus as a man but not God (as Rice explicitly said) and by omitting the resurrection, Superstar was sacrilegious. They also found the character of Judas too sympathetic and some of his criticisms of Jesus offensive.[4][5] At the same time, some Jews said that it bolstered the anti-Semitic claim that the Jews are responsible for Jesus' death by showing most of the villains as Jewish (Caiaphas and the other priests, Herod) and showing the crowd in Jerusalem calling for the crucifixion.[6][7] Many religious groups protested outside the theater during the first Broadway production.

I am not a professional musician (I do have some background with the Eastman School in Rochester, NY) but I had listened to this record literally hundreds of times.

Peace,

Joe
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: mari_et_pere on July 05, 2007, 11:56:52 AM
Joe, good job brother.

Back on subject, I dont think I could possibly pick just one person from the Bible. There's just too many to choose from! Everyone from Adam to John.

Matt
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: hillsbororiver on July 05, 2007, 12:16:39 PM
Hi Matt,

Thanks!

I know your dilemma in trying to choose only one!  ;)

The best part is that eventually we will be able to speak with each and every one of these interesting people, and many, many more who we presently are unaware of, past, present and future.

A truly beautiful thing,

Joe
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: mari_et_pere on July 05, 2007, 12:21:59 PM
Yes Joe, that will be awesome won't it? I sometimes sit and dwell on what it will be like when we meet everyone. It's a fantastical thing and there's no way to realistically contemplate what it will be like, but it's fun trying.  ;D

Matt
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: GODSown1 on July 05, 2007, 09:50:14 PM
Hey Lisa,
             Thanks I must find it & watch it, 'Evan Allmighty' soundz gud, muchLOVE! sister, Blessnz all.
             muchLOVE!! Pera
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: DuluthGA on July 06, 2007, 03:58:29 AM
Hi!  Not being familiar with 'Superstar', I would like to say I appreciate your selection of Noah, Pera.  Another big-time choice, and relatedly, on TV, specifically, the History Channel has a couple of shows about possibly finding the arc encased in ice on Mount Ararat, both which are interesting; one is sort of a bust (they didn't find much but the expedition was cool), the other is more of scientific entrigue and has more possibilities (they found artifacts.)  Watch out for them if you get this channel in NZ; they are replayed regularly.   :)

Take care!  Caregiver Janice!
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: LittleBear on July 07, 2007, 03:47:32 PM
I would love to discuss with King Nebuchadnezzar about the fact that he got to write scripture. What amazing grace for him!

Ursula
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: gmik on July 07, 2007, 11:50:51 PM
I am w/ Matt on this one.  I haven't a clue.  I will listen to anyone from Gen-Rev if they wanna talk to me!! :D

One thing tho.  I guess I haven't thought much about a real body that can sit and talk to a real body.

Everything is spirit, and we will be in the 'ALL IN ALL', SO  I was thinking it in more," mystical, ghostly, misty, kind of a thing", terms. We would be IN HIM. 

Help.  I am confused on this!  or do we really know?

Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: jER on July 08, 2007, 12:43:49 AM
Shadrack, Meshack, & Abendego! And, Daniel too!

- jER
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Kat on July 08, 2007, 02:32:48 AM

Hi Gena,

1Cor 15:28  When all things are subjected to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subjected to Him who put all things in subjection under Him, that God may be all in all.

What it means to me "that God may be all in all" is that all beings both human and angelic will have been brought out of their carnal state and into oneness with the mind of God.
Now all of the human race will have been changed to spirit and brought into the kingdom.  This seems to be where you are confused.

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Everything is spirit, and we will be in the 'ALL IN ALL', SO  I was thinking it in more," mystical, ghostly, misty, kind of a thing", terms. We would be IN HIM. 

Just because all beings will be all in all with God, I think the universe and earth will still be here, the physical realm will not disappear.  I think the physical and spiritual realms will still exist together, like now.
To think about what it will be like in spirit, it may help to think about what Jesus Christ was like after His resurrection, we will be like Him.

Luke 24:36  As they were talking about these things, Jesus Himself stood among them, and said to them, "Peace to you!"
v.37  But they were startled and frightened and thought they saw a spirit.
v.38  And He said to them, "Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?
v.39  See My hands and my feet, that it is I Myself. Touch Me, and see. For a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have."
v.40  And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet.
v.41  And while they still disbelieved for joy and were marveling, He said to them, "Have you anything here to eat?"
v.42  They gave Him a piece of broiled fish,
v.43  and He took it and ate before them.

In this passage Jesus Christ manifested Himself in the physical form of a man, He said He was flesh and bone and He ate.  I think this will be the same for those who are in the resurrection.  They will be in glorious spirit bodies, but will be able to manifest into physical form as need be, to relate to those that are still living on earth.

1John 3:2  Beloved, we are God's children now, and what we will be has not yet appeared; but we know that when He appears we shall be like Him, because we shall see Him as He is.

Being all in all with God, thought it will be a spiritual bliss, we will still be individuals with our own personality.  We will have been shaped and molded into the image of God, but we will still be the unique indidviduals that our experiences and lives have created.

This is what I think, hope it helps  :)

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: indianabob on July 08, 2007, 02:57:50 AM
Good morning folks,

I'm up late so I thought to add a little.

I just saw the movie Evan Almighty and can recommend it if we watch with the knowledge we have and don't judge to harshly.  It is funny and attempts to teach a few beneficial things about family AND God and has a sense of humor throughout the whole thing.

Regarding who I would like to spend some time with in addition to Jesus of course is my DAD.

My Dad and I got along but he was so afraid of my Mother's temper that he kept his opinions to himself and consequently we didn't really get to know one another.  The last time I saw him was in the hospital in Gary, Indiana.  He was sitting up with some tubes in place and smiling and was very kind in his conversation to me and the next day he was dead.  He had bowel cancer and it was inoperable.

I used to worry about what he must have thought of me since I was too busy to stay at the hospital while he was suffering through his last hours alone.  I will need to apologize sincerely when next I see him but as I recall he will forgive me quickly and we can begin to get to know one another a lot more intimately for the first time.  What I do really, really appreciate in having the knowledge that God has given all of us on the forum, is that he will wake up in the next instant of consciousness and look around for me, and I WILL BE THERE.  The way I should have been in 1967.  I have a lot to be thankful for.

Bob
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: gmik on July 08, 2007, 03:43:18 PM
Kathy, that helped a lot!!! Thanks.

Bob, that was a nice post, most heartfelt.

I feel a lot better knowing that we will be ourselves so to speak.
I don't know how I got off on that being consumed in God's spirit and NOT being ourselves.
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: GODSown1 on July 08, 2007, 09:31:21 PM
Hey Janice,
              hmm.... da History chanel hm... No i dont fink so lol!, :D  Thanks all da same sister
              muchLOVE!! Pera
Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: Patrick on July 09, 2007, 10:54:26 AM
Regarding who I would like to spend some time with in addition to Jesus of course is my DAD.

My Dad and I got along but he was so afraid of my Mother's temper that he kept his opinions to himself and consequently we didn't really get to know one another.  The last time I saw him was in the hospital in Gary, Indiana.  He was sitting up with some tubes in place and smiling and was very kind in his conversation to me and the next day he was dead.  He had bowel cancer and it was inoperable.

I used to worry about what he must have thought of me since I was too busy to stay at the hospital while he was suffering through his last hours alone.  I will need to apologize sincerely when next I see him but as I recall he will forgive me quickly and we can begin to get to know one another a lot more intimately for the first time.  What I do really, really appreciate in having the knowledge that God has given all of us on the forum, is that he will wake up in the next instant of consciousness and look around for me, and I WILL BE THERE.  The way I should have been in 1967.  I have a lot to be thankful for.

Bob

Bob, I can so relate to your testimony.

My dad had brain cancer and Hospice was at his house.
My step mom called and told me I should consider getting home (1000 miles away) ASAP.
I put it off for a couple of days and then the Hospice nurse called and said "get home now!"
It took me another day to get airline tickets, and even that flight did not leave AZ until 5 PM the next day..
When I landed at the nearest airport, my sister-in-law picked me up and we still had an hour drive to dads house.
As we were driving thru the gate, I noticed the morticians rolling the gurney into the house.
Dads time of death was estimated to be 5 minutes after I landed at the airport.
4 days from the 1st call to when I walked into dads house for the last time. :-[ :'(

Title: Re: One of the most forgotten men in Scripture
Post by: musicman on July 10, 2007, 12:27:08 AM
Hi Craig,

I like the way you think!....I suppose a sit down with Joseph would be really enlightening, Great choice!

But i guess "depending on were your thoughts are" I would pick "Lazarus"
How many guys could ya sit down with and say....so..how did it feel to be ressurected back to life? Ceartainly there is no perception in death, but we do feel the process of dying, and likewise, we must then "feel" the process of ressurection.

But even more than that "Now Jesus loved Martha, and her sister, and Lazarus."[John 11-5]

Lazarus knew the Lord, and that conversation would be pretty cool also!

thanks

Chris R.



No perception?  What do you mean?  The churchians say that once you're dead you're in heaven or hell.  So, I would ask Lazarus, so how does it feel having that harp snatched out of your hands, dragged out of your mansion which floats on fluffy clouds with gold laced streets everywhere, and sent back to this hot desert?  I would then add, well, it least it's not as hot as that other place.  So, do they really have viewing stations so that when you're bored you can watch the unrighteos burn for eternity, which just started, by the way?