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Well, is anyone created actually immortal?   Isn't God the only one who has no beginning or end ? Isn't He the only one set apart from Time?  Is Christ even immortal?  We believe he was created by his Father, as all sons are.  So, He has a beginning, he died and then was raised to Life. Adam was created and I see that he would not have died if he hadn't sinned. What he would have to do to preserve that life is beyond me.  If God wants to keep you alive He will do so by any means He desires.   And is not the Tree of Life actually Christ? Is it an actual tree?  Is there a reason the New Testament keeps telling us that Christ died on the Tree ?   
 Immortality is more than deathlessness.

And then there's this I'd love to get clarification on - I Timothy 613. 
I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession, to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, which he will display at the proper time- he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and the Lord of Lords, who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. 

So, who is the blessed and only Sovereign? God like I'm thinking? Or no, the verse is referring to Christ? How can it talk about Christ whom no one has seen when they all had seen him? So, I think God alone has immortality. Didn't Ray say no one has seen God and we have no reason to think we ever would?

No, not created perfect but death did not come into the world until sin came into the world.  ( Romans 5: 12.  Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed until all men…..” )
And just to add something else to it,  Genesis 3- “ Look, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil.  What if he stretches out his hand and takes also from the tree of life and eats, and lives forever? And Yahweh God sent him out from the garden of Eden….”

Hi October,
So if the tree of life hadn't been tasted of yet, then he wasn't immortal yet.
But could he have taken of the tree of life first?
Or does that take a miracle from God to accomplish?

Plus if we think about it...even if he wasn't yet condemned for sin, he and Eve did have to eat for sustenance and breath oxygen to burn food for energy to function.
He or they still were just a "mechanical device" composed of matter and water and invested with the spirit of life and subject to die of starvation or suffocation.

Thanks for all the ideas, Bob

No, not created perfect but death did not come into the world until sin came into the world.  ( Romans 5: 12.  Therefore, as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death passed until all men…..” )
And just to add something else to it,  Genesis 3- “ Look, the man has become as one of us, to know good and evil.  What if he stretches out his hand and takes also from the tree of life and eats, and lives forever? And Yahweh God sent him out from the garden of Eden….”

Lose immortality?  Did he have it to begin with or was he created mortal to begin with?  If you are immortal how can you lose it?  Oxymoron there to my way of thinking.

Agree - Adam and Eve were Not Created Perfect in the Image of God! https://youtu.be/gX4djlwUPKU?si=oDQJk_kv68w5wgAc

On a new topic I have been wondering about.
When Adam took of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, did he lose immortality?
If not then why not?
If God administered punishment by telling Adam that he would be dying because of his disobedience.
then was he not dying previously?
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Inquiring minds want to know.

Genesis 3:22

When you look at the scripture from a spiritual perspective, it makes perfect sense. 

Adam and Eve sinned, and we know that sin brings forth death, spiritually speaking.

James 1:15

15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.

Lose immortality?  Did he have it to begin with or was he created mortal to begin with?  If you are immortal how can you lose it?  Oxymoron there to my way of thinking.

Hey Bob, I don’t think he was dying before the unfortunate run in with a serpent and the fruit .  Sin brings forth death, so I don’t think death was a reality for them until they sinned.  But afterwards, the process of death began, and continues …. Until it’s thrown into a very particular lake. 

On a new topic I have been wondering about.
When Adam took of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, did he lose immortality?
If not then why not?
If God administered punishment by telling Adam that he would be dying because of his disobedience.
then was he not dying previously?
=
Inquiring minds want to know.

Genesis 3:22

Rose, I agree with Pamela. It's pointless to try to convince anyone of the things we believe here, no matter how much Scriptural proof we have. Even if you do prove them wrong, you might still lose the sale, as Ray liked to say. I've had better success sharing the truth with Universalist than I did sharing with “infernalists”. Even then, those that believed were few and far in between.

Can you think of a parable in the OT that uses someones name ?

Yes, pick a name, any name in the OT, as the story connected with it will most likely have some higher spiritual meaning to it.

1Co 10:1  Now I want you to know, brothers, that our fathers were all under the cloud, all passed through the sea,

1Co 10:2  and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea.

1Co 10:3  They all ate the same spiritual food,

1Co 10:4  and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank from a spiritual rock that followed them, and that rock was Christ.

1Co 10:5  But God was not pleased with most of them, for they were struck down in the desert.

1Co 10:6  Now these things became examples for us, so that we will not desire evil as they did.

1Co 10:7  Don't become idolaters as some of them were; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and got up to play.

1Co 10:8  Let us not commit sexual immorality as some of them did, and in a single day 23,000 people fell dead.

1Co 10:9  Let us not tempt Christ as some of them did, and were destroyed by snakes.

1Co 10:10  Nor should we complain as some of them did, and were killed by the destroyer.

1Co 10:11  Now these things happened to them as examples, and they were written as a warning to us, on whom the ends of the ages have come.

1Co 10:12  Therefore, whoever thinks he stands must be careful not to fall!

Rom 15:4  For whatever was written before was written for our instruction, so that through our endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we may have hope.

All the literal sins listed above that Israel committed have spiritual sins that are attached to them and are being committed by the Church in these “end times”. 

https://bible-truths.com/twelve.htm Check out truth number 8 for a more detailed explanation from Ray.


Here's an email response from Ray regarding your question.


https://bible-truths.com/email16.htm

Dear Samuel:

 Thank you for your email and comments.  Unfortunately, your arguments are just human, carnal arguments of the flesh with no Scriptural proof to back them up. Let me help you to follow things orderly and clearly and Scripturally:

 [1] You state that Lazarus and the Rich man cannot be a parable because proper names are used. Is that supposed to be a "Scriptural PROOF," Samuel?
Here are some known parables with specific, particularly persons or personalities, but the question is, "Will you believe the Scriptures when I show you that you are wrong?
  Satan.....................................................Mark 4:15

 The SON of man..................................Matt. 13:37

 The Devil..............................................God the Father

 King David...........................................II Sam. 12:17

 Aholah, and Aholibah..........................Ezek. 23:1-4

 The Good Samaritan...........................Luke 10:30-37.

 The Pharisee and the Tax Collector...Luke 18:9-14.
  And he took up his PARABLE, and said, [1] BALAK, the king of [2] MOAB hath brought me from [3] ARAM, out of the mountains of the east, saying, come, curse me [4] JACOB and come defy [5] ISRAEL......Num. 23:7

 There are FIVE proper names in just one verse of a parable!

 [2] You say that Jesus did not say things like "There was a CERTAIN rich man" in His parables? Oh really?

 The Parable of the Lost Coin:
  "And He [Jesus] said, 'A CERTAIN man..." (Luke 15:11)
  The Parable of the unjust Servant:
  "And He [Jesus] said also unto his disciples, 'There was a CERTAIN rich man'..."
  The Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus:
  "There was a CERTAIN rich man..." (Luke 16:19)
  There are THREE PARABLES IN A ROW that Jesus spoke using the term

• "A CERTAIN man..."
• "A CERTAIN rich man...." and
• "a CERTAIN rich man...."

Certainly there is punishment and chastisement spoken of in this parable. I know of absolutely NO ONE (including myself) who teaches otherwise! Contrary to Christian teaching, it is not ETERNAL TORTURE, however.

 What can I say, Samuel, your arguments are carnal human doctrines that have nothing to do with the Truth of the Scriptures. What is clear, Samuel, is that your proofs against Lazarus and the Rich man being a parable, actually prove that it IS A PARABLE!

 May God be with you as you yield to His perfect will for your life,
 
 Ray