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Title: an interesting thought
Post by: markn902 on May 25, 2011, 04:45:02 PM
Hi everyone  :)

 My wife had an interesting  take on Acts 3 when we were reading it. It is where Peter heals a crippled beggar

Acts 3:8-10
8 So he, leaping up, stood and walked and entered the temple with them—walking, leaping, and praising God. 9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God. 10 Then they knew that it was he who sat begging alms at the Beautiful Gate of the temple; and they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him.   

She said what struck her was that if this were to happen today, that is a crippled beggar getting up to walk, people would see it as that man was lying about his condition to get money. I think she is right thats what people would say if they saw a man crippled asking for money then later saw him walking. Even if he said it was a miracle we would say "yeah right"

I don't know I just thought it was an interesting  observation and thought I would share

Mark                                                   
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: zander on May 25, 2011, 06:28:22 PM
It is an interesting point, which makes me ask - Is there a genuine cripple in the world, who has been miraculously healed in an instant because of their faith in God?  Would love to meet them.
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: eggi on May 25, 2011, 08:20:56 PM
Hi!

Here is one who got healed:

(http://serverix.dlinkddns.com/miracle.gif)

God bless you,
Eirik
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: daywalker on May 25, 2011, 08:55:16 PM
Hi!

Here is one who got healed:

(http://serverix.dlinkddns.com/miracle.gif)

God bless you,
Eirik


hahahahaha! thanks for sharing
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: gmik on May 25, 2011, 11:38:41 PM
 :D ;D :D

Good one Eirik!!

Zander, I have always wondered why the ancient world was much more magical/miraculous than today.

Most world cultures believe their beginnings were all in misty myths of gods and demons.

some of egypt rubbed off on the Hebrews too.
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: crazy4bam on May 27, 2011, 01:38:29 PM
Hi everyone  :)

 My wife had an interesting  take on Acts 3 when we were reading it. It is where Peter heals a crippled beggar

Acts 3:8-10
8 So he, leaping up, stood and walked and entered the temple with them—walking, leaping, and praising God. 9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God. 10 Then they knew that it was he who sat begging alms at the Beautiful Gate of the temple; and they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him.   

She said what struck her was that if this were to happen today, that is a crippled beggar getting up to walk, people would see it as that man was lying about his condition to get money. I think she is right that's what people would say if they saw a man crippled asking for money then later saw him walking. Even if he said it was a miracle we would say "yeah right"

I don't know I just thought it was an interesting  observation and thought I would share

Mark                                                   

    I read this and reread this. I will have to confess I am one of those people of today would just assume the man was scamming someone to get money. Today we all do that because it has happened so many times that our radar goes up and thinks this is a scam. When this situation happened people most likely didn't think of doing something so wrong. I am not saying it probably didn't happen but not on a grand scale like it is today.

                                                                     using my own opinion,
                                                                             crazy4bam
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: daywalker on May 27, 2011, 01:59:21 PM

She said what struck her was that if this were to happen today, that is a crippled beggar getting up to walk, people would see it as that man was lying about his condition to get money. I think she is right thats what people would say if they saw a man crippled asking for money then later saw him walking. Even if he said it was a miracle we would say "yeah right"

I don't know I just thought it was an interesting  observation and thought I would share

Mark                                                   


That is interesting and very true in my opinion.

When I still lived in Orange County, my friends and I hung out at this local coffee shop often. There were a few beggars who came there every night asking for change, and like the generous young kids we were, we would give them the change from our coffee purchases. Then one chilly night, one of them came by and he had this really nice brand new sports wind breaker jacket... I'm talking like $100 MINIMUM... I remember seeing his jacket, then realizing how cold I was in my hooded sweat jacket that was ready for an upgrade. When he asked me for change I told him 'no way' because I was a bit jealous that this bum had a better jacket than me. Of course, later I felt bad.... But then a few weeks later, here comes this bum again, with his jacket AND a brand new mountain bike! Alright, now I'm convinced there's something fishy going on here! Not too many days later, I was talking with a friend who worked at the coffee shop and she told me that the "bums" who all came here were not really bums at all! There was a group of five of them who all lived together in a house near-by and instead of working jobs like normal people, they all go out and beg for change, and stand out on the streets with "homeless" signs. She says one of the guys told her he makes on average $300 a day doing this!!! Talk about scam-artists! Since that day she told me all this I've NEVER looked at a bum the same...

Daywalker  8)
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on May 27, 2011, 02:22:27 PM




Luk 16:8  And the lord commended the unjust steward, because he had done wisely: for the children of this world are in their generation wiser than the children of light.

Great catch Eirik ! ~ :D :)

Arc


Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: moxicarose on May 30, 2011, 05:36:19 PM

She said what struck her was that if this were to happen today, that is a crippled beggar getting up to walk, people would see it as that man was lying about his condition to get money. I think she is right thats what people would say if they saw a man crippled asking for money then later saw him walking. Even if he said it was a miracle we would say "yeah right"

I don't know I just thought it was an interesting  observation and thought I would share

Mark                                                   


That is interesting and very true in my opinion.

When I still lived in Orange County, my friends and I hung out at this local coffee shop often. There were a few beggars who came there every night asking for change, and like the generous young kids we were, we would give them the change from our coffee purchases. Then one chilly night, one of them came by and he had this really nice brand new sports wind breaker jacket... I'm talking like $100 MINIMUM... I remember seeing his jacket, then realizing how cold I was in my hooded sweat jacket that was ready for an upgrade. When he asked me for change I told him 'no way' because I was a bit jealous that this bum had a better jacket than me. Of course, later I felt bad.... But then a few weeks later, here comes this bum again, with his jacket AND a brand new mountain bike! Alright, now I'm convinced there's something fishy going on here! Not too many days later, I was talking with a friend who worked at the coffee shop and she told me that the "bums" who all came here were not really bums at all! There was a group of five of them who all lived together in a house near-by and instead of working jobs like normal people, they all go out and beg for change, and stand out on the streets with "homeless" signs. She says one of the guys told her he makes on average $300 a day doing this!!! Talk about scam-artists! Since that day she told me all this I've NEVER looked at a bum the same...

Daywalker  8)




There is a huge network of people doing this in my city...I figured out that they were scammers when I saw a well dressed, nicely manicured girl walking with a backpack while reading a book (reading and walking...on a street. haha..danger much?) She stopped at the corner next to a (also well dressed) young guy in a nice winter coat and new tennis shoes who was holding a homeless sign, put her book in her backpack and took the sign from the guy, flipping it over to reveal a different begging message. What was even fishier was that the sign was LAMINATED, I'm guessing to keep it from getting soggy in our rainy climate.

  I've struggled with wether or not I should ever give money to such people, but I think I've decided that if I have some change, and I stop on a corner where one of them is standing, I will give them the money in Jesus name.  :)
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: jingle52 on May 31, 2011, 06:10:25 AM
Erick that was great  ;D

Were I live, the gypsies/Romanians beg and go to the supermarket later in groups to do their daily shopping, pity that they mostly only buy beer and then sit outside slaking their thirst (women included). I’ve also given to them in the past, then there are those who sit around with 4 or 5 dogs and their pups (hoping that we’ll feel sorry at least for the dogs), there are those who sit and beg with their half drugged children because they are always asleep (here too, hoping we’ll have pity on their babies)….. and we’ve seen those very same people several times chatting on their cell-phones…..  There are children who are bought in their country of origin, brought over here and then taught how to beg and snatch handbags from unsuspecting people… We have seen reports about how they go back to their own country to build houses which are the envy of their neighbours. Begging is big business here in Europe!

Thanks for that interesting thought Mark, thank you. :)
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: daywalker on May 31, 2011, 03:28:21 PM

She said what struck her was that if this were to happen today, that is a crippled beggar getting up to walk, people would see it as that man was lying about his condition to get money. I think she is right thats what people would say if they saw a man crippled asking for money then later saw him walking. Even if he said it was a miracle we would say "yeah right"

I don't know I just thought it was an interesting  observation and thought I would share

Mark                                                   


That is interesting and very true in my opinion.

When I still lived in Orange County, my friends and I hung out at this local coffee shop often. There were a few beggars who came there every night asking for change, and like the generous young kids we were, we would give them the change from our coffee purchases. Then one chilly night, one of them came by and he had this really nice brand new sports wind breaker jacket... I'm talking like $100 MINIMUM... I remember seeing his jacket, then realizing how cold I was in my hooded sweat jacket that was ready for an upgrade. When he asked me for change I told him 'no way' because I was a bit jealous that this bum had a better jacket than me. Of course, later I felt bad.... But then a few weeks later, here comes this bum again, with his jacket AND a brand new mountain bike! Alright, now I'm convinced there's something fishy going on here! Not too many days later, I was talking with a friend who worked at the coffee shop and she told me that the "bums" who all came here were not really bums at all! There was a group of five of them who all lived together in a house near-by and instead of working jobs like normal people, they all go out and beg for change, and stand out on the streets with "homeless" signs. She says one of the guys told her he makes on average $300 a day doing this!!! Talk about scam-artists! Since that day she told me all this I've NEVER looked at a bum the same...

Daywalker  8)




There is a huge network of people doing this in my city...I figured out that they were scammers when I saw a well dressed, nicely manicured girl walking with a backpack while reading a book (reading and walking...on a street. haha..danger much?) She stopped at the corner next to a (also well dressed) young guy in a nice winter coat and new tennis shoes who was holding a homeless sign, put her book in her backpack and took the sign from the guy, flipping it over to reveal a different begging message. What was even fishier was that the sign was LAMINATED, I'm guessing to keep it from getting soggy in our rainy climate.

  I've struggled with wether or not I should ever give money to such people, but I think I've decided that if I have some change, and I stop on a corner where one of them is standing, I will give them the money in Jesus name.  :)


You can usually tell a true homeless person by offering them food instead of money. A real starving beggar would obviously be excited if you offered to purchase a sandwich for him, while a phony will offer some stupid reason for why don't want money. (and I speak from experience) Personally, I would never give money to any beggar because there's a chance he or she will waste it on booze or drugs (or even worse, they are one of these phonies). The last thing I'd want to do is support either of these habits. That's just me, though...

Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Linny on May 31, 2011, 03:56:40 PM
We have to be very careful when always looking for a bad motive in hurting people. My husband ALWAYS gives when he has it to people who are in need. If we had more, he'd give more. He could care less what they use it for. That is between them and God. He gives with a sincere heart and with more compassion than anyone I know.
We've "wasted" money on much worse things than this.  :( :-\

The church teaches not to help our brother's and sister's and Christians are the most leery of helping than anyone I know.

Actually heard one of the big ones say in the pulpit NOT TO HELP anyone because they would then credit you and not God. ONLY GIVE YOUR MONEY TO THE CHURCH and let them help.  ::) >:(
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: gmik on May 31, 2011, 07:33:09 PM
John, I love that scripture and have used it as a sword on many occassions back in my "faith-period" days.

To me, then, it meant NO WAY was I ever going to be hungry or not taken care of!!!

then I started thinking of MANY believers who indeed were hungry and starving to the point of death all around the world all the time since time began to now...

so it must have another meaning to it and not literal...that was one of the first stepping stones God used to bring me out of the faith message, then slowly out of the church world, then to Ray...

Linny, my husband is like that also...I need to run to catch up to his cheerful giving... ;)

I have a dear friend who was a missionary teacher in Guatamala for 4 years.  It was a routine scam for people to run in front of a slow moving car and then pretend to get hurt...for a few American dollars they would not alert the authorities..  My friend would always want to pay as she felt they only did this as they were poor, but she was strongly urged NOT to pay them nor to get involved w/ the authorities either as they would take bribes.

Once, here in the US, I was teaching at the time, and knew of a student on free breakfasts and lunches, but was dropped off at school in a cadillac and always had the latest fad clothing!!

So sad to think of all the situations that put people into begging or scams of begging.

there but for the Grace of God go I.....

Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Duane on June 01, 2011, 12:11:17 AM
I used to give money that I really "didn't have" to give away bt I felt sorry for the "begger".  Later I learned from someone that the same "beggar" accepted a car ride from a generous person and was involved in an accident, sued, and won $20,000 which was in his savings account!
At the time I was unemployed and wish I was as "bad off" as the beggar.
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Linny on June 01, 2011, 12:16:16 AM
Completely second all of that Gena.

I, with much regret, see far too often people who love and trust in the Lord who are losing homes, jobs, loved ones and their faith and trust in God. My dear husband is also one of those. So much has happened to us in the past few years. It seems we never get a break and have lost so much. Our trials have been one factor in why he is so quick to help others which is the only blessing I have seen coming from it.

And I also agree that I wish I had the compassion and heart of my giving, non-judgmental husband. He is a treasure and such an example to me and to my children.

Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: markn902 on June 09, 2011, 09:41:07 PM
For the record I give to people whenever God puts them in front of me and I do not question or try to judge their motivations for asking. It's only money and money does not rule my life nor do I put that much importance on it. I rely on God for survival and am doing just fine. I am not anyones judge and if they took the money and went straight to the liquor store well drunks got to drink too. I only do what I would want someone to do to me if the situations were reversed.  :)
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: JohnMichael on June 10, 2011, 01:23:31 AM
For the record I give to people whenever God puts them in front of me and I do not question or try to judge their motivations for asking. It's only money and money does not rule my life nor do I put that much importance on it. I rely on God for survival and am doing just fine. I am not anyones judge and if they took the money and went straight to the liquor store well drunks got to drink too. I only do what I would want someone to do to me if the situations were reversed.  :)

This reminded me of a situation that happened to me years ago. I was leaving a night club after a night of drinking and dancing (I know ;) ), and there was a man outside with his dog. He came up and asked me if I had any money. I only had a $20 in my wallet, and I just remember feeling this desire to help him. Against the advice of my friend who was with me, I gave the man the $20. He started crying and tried to refuse the money. I told him to keep it - that I insisted. I will never forget the look on his face as he told me that now his dog and he would be able to eat for a few days. There was no lie in him.

It was one of those experiences where your heart feels like it will burst with joy because you did something expecting absolutely nothing in return. My only regret is that I didn't have more to give him.

John
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: tau on June 10, 2011, 04:07:29 PM
Indeed we are living in a global village! i kid you not, the beggars here in south africa are just as world class as any, there is a couple that used to stand in the street corners rain or shine and beg for money (never for food), should you offer them work, they turn it down, should you offer them a warm place and hot meal, they tell you that your home is too quiet and they miss street life! if you get them a job, they do not pitch for work! when they have kids they keep telling you how they miss their kids in foster home and they are more than capable of looking after their kids, yet they do not want regular life!, they rather sleep in the streets and in the rain rather than stay in your house, their exact words; could you please return us to the bridge under the high way, we are not coping here! "here" being your house with meals, clean clothes, hot tea and access to hot baths and guranteed daily meal. it really is humbling how far one must go to try and help his fellow human being!!
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: judith collier on June 10, 2011, 06:43:32 PM
To all. This was my experience yesterday!I do not know if I did the right thing. My husband and myself were approaching a store when a young woman stopped us and asked for a favor. She was decently dressed and very excited. She said she had $4.60 and I misunderstood that's what she needed to buy some fluid for her car, well that's NOT what she meant, after I gave her the initial $4.60, she then started figuring how much more she need. I said,"what, I thought that's all you needed" She took awhile and then said she needed $16.00 more. My husband whipped the money out and that's when I got angry. I figured most people have a phone to call someone but she said she lived about 25 miles away. No credit card??????
I said sorry, i want all the money back, we live on quite a fixed income and retired. I don't know if my instincts kicked in but in all my life I have never been asked for that much money and i thought that she was brash. I would have walked to a gas station (very close) and got what i could. A little bit of anti freeze goes a long way.Come to think about it we had some in the car but forgot in all the goings on.
I was angry for quite awhile not only because of the money but some young people do not plan ahead and then expect to be delivered from their bad planning. Who knows.Maybe if she had asked us to go into the store with her? Also she said she would meet us somewhere the next day to pay it back. I asked for her address but she changed the subject.
So what do you guys think. My husband called me a witch!!!
judy
 
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: daywalker on June 10, 2011, 08:37:05 PM
To all. This was my experience yesterday!I do not know if I did the right thing. My husband and myself were approaching a store when a young woman stopped us and asked for a favor. She was decently dressed and very excited. She said she had $4.60 and I misunderstood that's what she needed to buy some fluid for her car, well that's NOT what she meant, after I gave her the initial $4.60, she then started figuring how much more she need. I said,"what, I thought that's all you needed" She took awhile and then said she needed $16.00 more. My husband whipped the money out and that's when I got angry. I figured most people have a phone to call someone but she said she lived about 25 miles away. No credit card??????
I said sorry, i want all the money back, we live on quite a fixed income and retired. I don't know if my instincts kicked in but in all my life I have never been asked for that much money and i thought that she was brash. I would have walked to a gas station (very close) and got what i could. A little bit of anti freeze goes a long way.Come to think about it we had some in the car but forgot in all the goings on.
I was angry for quite awhile not only because of the money but some young people do not plan ahead and then expect to be delivered from their bad planning. Who knows.Maybe if she had asked us to go into the store with her? Also she said she would meet us somewhere the next day to pay it back. I asked for her address but she changed the subject.
So what do you guys think. My husband called me a witch!!!
judy



She sounds a little shady in my opinion, so no I don't think you're a witch.  :D

 As I've already said before, I never give strangers or beggars cash (anymore). I don't believe in that "well, I did my good deed, it's between them and God" attitude. That's 'pulling the ignorance card' in my opinion. I don't want the risk of my money supporting someone's drug or alcohol problem. If a person is hungry, and I have the ability to feed them, I will. If someone needs something else, and I'm able to get it for them, I will.

But what if I give a guy some cash and he goes and buys a bottle of vodka, chugs it down, then steals a car, runs a red light and kills a young teenager!! ??? I wouldn't want that blood on my hands. (yea, sure, some may say that's an extreme analogy, but that's the way I think...)

Daywalker  8)
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Grace on June 11, 2011, 03:01:44 AM
Why would your husband call you a witch? 

Grace
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Grace on June 11, 2011, 03:07:20 AM
To all. This was my experience yesterday!I do not know if I did the right thing. My husband and myself were approaching a store when a young woman stopped us and asked for a favor. She was decently dressed and very excited. She said she had $4.60 and I misunderstood that's what she needed to buy some fluid for her car, well that's NOT what she meant, after I gave her the initial $4.60, she then started figuring how much more she need. I said,"what, I thought that's all you needed" She took awhile and then said she needed $16.00 more. My husband whipped the money out and that's when I got angry. I figured most people have a phone to call someone but she said she lived about 25 miles away. No credit card??????
I said sorry, i want all the money back, we live on quite a fixed income and retired. I don't know if my instincts kicked in but in all my life I have never been asked for that much money and i thought that she was brash. I would have walked to a gas station (very close) and got what i could. A little bit of anti freeze goes a long way.Come to think about it we had some in the car but forgot in all the goings on.
I was angry for quite awhile not only because of the money but some young people do not plan ahead and then expect to be delivered from their bad planning. Who knows.Maybe if she had asked us to go into the store with her? Also she said she would meet us somewhere the next day to pay it back. I asked for her address but she changed the subject.
So what do you guys think. My husband called me a witch!!!
judy



She sounds a little shady in my opinion, so no I don't think you're a witch.  :D

 As I've already said before, I never give strangers or beggars cash (anymore). I don't believe in that "well, I did my good deed, it's between them and God" attitude. That's 'pulling the ignorance card' in my opinion. I don't want the risk of my money supporting someone's drug or alcohol problem. If a person is hungry, and I have the ability to feed them, I will. If someone needs something else, and I'm able to get it for them, I will.

But what if I give a guy some cash and he goes and buys a bottle of vodka, chugs it down, then steals a car, runs a red light and kills a young teenager!! ??? I wouldn't want that blood on my hands. (yea, sure, some may say that's an extreme analogy, but that's the way I think...)

Daywalker  8)


Why does it sound shady?  What can we give that hasn't already been given to us?  Don't we give what we have to give if it helps someone?  No free will sounds as if we can't control what that person does with the gift.  Can we?
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Grace on June 11, 2011, 07:43:16 AM

It is curious.

The Scriptures state that if a man doesn't work neither should he eat.

The Scriptures also state that when you do good, do it secretly so that only the Father knows.

Yet Christians feed bums and make sure others know the good that they do.  They exult in doing good deeds and think God owes them a reward for doing good.  They think doing good makes them righteous.

This is a conundrum to me.  I'm tired and ready to go home.  It is what it is. I can't save myself or anyone else. I am who I am.  He made me what I am.   What good is any work if one loses it in a moment?
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Marky Mark on June 11, 2011, 05:20:09 PM
Quote
It is curious.

The Scriptures state that if a man doesn't work neither should he eat
.

Hey John,curious indeed.

2Th 3:10  For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
2Th 3:11  For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.
2Th 3:12  Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
2Th 3:13  But ye, brethren, be not weary in well doing.

In a outward way this is very true.

1Ti 5:8  But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

1Th 4:11 and that you be ambitious to be quiet, and to be engaged in your own affairs, and to be working with your hands, according as we charge you,


 But when we are told that Gods words are Spirit we then need to see it from that viewpoint,that being, the primary message is in the Spiritual application.

Joh 6:63 ... the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

When God is doing His work in us and we do not pay attention to what He wants of us in a Spiritual way then we are denying the Lord and we can then no longer eat of His bread [true doctrine] of life. The busybodies of the world will work in their own quietness consuming[eating] their own idols of the heart having no ill effect on those whom God has called to be aware of the things of the Spirit.

When we rely on others for our own Spiritual sustenance[by not putting our own work/effort into our studies] we then are not working out our own salvation and are not deserving of the true bread[food] from above.God wants us in the thick of it working out our own salvation so we can come to see the Light,in fear and trembling.

Php 2:12  Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
Php 2:13  For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Php 2:14  Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
Php 2:15  That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Christ is the food of life[the vine]that will nourish us so as to bring forth the fruit of the Spirit.
 
Joh 15:5  I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

He does the work in us so that we can reap the rewards to feast upon.

Joh 15:16  You did not take me for yourselves, but I took you for myself; and I gave you the work of going about and producing fruit which will be for ever;


If we do not work in the Spirit, we will not eat of the fruit thereof.


Just some food for thought... :)


Peace...Mark

Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: markn902 on June 12, 2011, 12:39:18 AM
I guess everyones situation is different and like most things in life there is no "one size fits all" answer  :) God puts us in different circumstances and what is right for one person (in daily life) may not be the best choice in someone elses. I guess it's that whole learning thing  :D
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Duane on June 12, 2011, 02:52:14 PM
I feel better when I run upon a need and then fill it:  My wife and I were going into a K-Mart and saw a man who had a bicycle upside down fixing a new tire on it.  He was all packed and obviously had traveled a great distance.  In talking to him we found he was riding across the country and despirately neeeded a new tire so he bought one.  He said that he really couldn't afford it so my wife asked him how much the tire cost and he was speechless when we reimbursed him!  He felt great, we felt great amd no one ASKED for anything!
We love to give spontaneously as the Lord leads--doing "random acts of kindness". 
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: judith collier on June 13, 2011, 12:27:35 AM
Thanks to all, I can't say what was in the girl's mind but i do know the whole thing was going too fast for me. Had she been sitting crying I don't think I would have hesitated. It could be either way. Me, thinking people should behave in a certain manner when troubled or my instincts are good. Yet, they have been known to be wrong.
You know what it reminded me of. My kids when they were teenagers and spewing out facts i couldn't keep up with and when questioning them, they couldn't be consistant and then getting mad because I didn't understand when they couldn't keep their story straight. I don't know. Heck, maybe it was just the amount!
I do know $16.00 isn't much to many people but I hesitate to spend that much on myself at times. I really can't keep up as well anymore with young people's conversations and confess to being a control freak. God forgive me and I pray it worked out for the girl, she did look despondent when she walked away.
Grace, my husband thought i was a witch because he is like that, doesn't care what i am thinking but assumes I am wrong, he is an alchoholic who is a people pleaser and that makes me wrong whenever I hesitate to please.
judy
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Fester on June 13, 2011, 12:35:28 AM
Hi everyone  :)

 My wife had an interesting  take on Acts 3 when we were reading it. It is where Peter heals a crippled beggar

Acts 3:8-10
8 So he, leaping up, stood and walked and entered the temple with them—walking, leaping, and praising God. 9 And all the people saw him walking and praising God. 10 Then they knew that it was he who sat begging alms at the Beautiful Gate of the temple; and they were filled with wonder and amazement at what had happened to him.   

She said what struck her was that if this were to happen today, that is a crippled beggar getting up to walk, people would see it as that man was lying about his condition to get money. I think she is right thats what people would say if they saw a man crippled asking for money then later saw him walking. Even if he said it was a miracle we would say "yeah right"

I don't know I just thought it was an interesting  observation and thought I would share

Mark                                                   

Naturally we would think that way as it is human nature.  I bet you 3 talents that people in those days would think the same.  However, these people were amazed because they knew he was lame and his healing was not a scam.  Read it again but starting at least at verse 2.
 
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: tau on June 13, 2011, 05:26:47 PM
Jesus said the poor will always be with us and we must no grow weary in doing good. So, if we do well by 'these little ones', we have done well by the master. So, are we therefore to judge whose need is more urgent more desparate than the other? what was the whole purpose of the samarithan traveller? I am of the view that we are to follow the spirit as imparted to us - if the spirit is indwelling surely it will guide us, grace separates us from those who are needy, and if someone who is less needy turns this 'misery' of the needy into an 'opportunity' to cash in, I am of the view that its not our place to judge, after all didn't Jesus say leave them to grow together and they will be seen to during the time of harvest?
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: daywalker on June 13, 2011, 09:32:01 PM
Jesus also said to be as wise as a serpent and as gentle as a dove.  Stupidity is not one of the fruits of God's Spirit.

 ;D
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Dennis Vogel on June 13, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
Jesus also said to be as wise as a serpent and as gentle as a dove.  Stupidity is not one of the fruits of God's Spirit.

As long as we do not confuse ignorance with being stupid.

And I'm not sure I agree with this statement. Does a low I.Q. mean you are not qualified to be in the former resurrection?

However, God does blind most, but that does not make them stupid, just blind.
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Duane on June 14, 2011, 04:11:51 AM
YEAH!  Just because I'm insane, doesn't mean I'm stupid!  ;D
Title: Re: an interesting thought
Post by: Deborah-Leigh on June 14, 2011, 06:51:14 AM

You can be the smartest cookie in the box, if you haven't sweated the butter in the cooking process, and your sugar hasn't melted then you're just a piece of unrefined lard and sticky floury goo.  If you don't have maturity, it means squat! ~ ;D...or you're simply "...a clanging cymbal!" 1 Cor 13: 1 ~  :)

Emotional intelligence consists of 5 main areas:

• Intrapersonal skills – the conversation we have
with ourselves on a daily basis
• Interpersonal skills – our interactions with
others
• Stress Management – our resilience
• Adaptability – how flexible we are
• General mood – our happiness and optimism http://web.up.ac.za/sitefiles/File/hpc/Emotional%20Intelligence,%20Life%20and%20Sport.pdf

Written over two thousand years ago, what for me defines best, Emotional intelligence ~.... that reasoning, intentional, spiritual devotion such as is inspired by God's love for and in us....1Cor 13 :1 Amplified version. ~ :)

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