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Since no one has posted in a couple of days, I assume everyone has been spirited away to heaven.
If there are any sinners besides me left behind, please stay in contact. :'(
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Since no one has posted in a couple of days, I assume everyone has been spirited away to heaven.
If there are any sinners besides me left behind, please stay in contact. :'(
Still here John! Not as righteous as I thought myself to be I guess ;)
Les nouvelles: I am now in Virginia, if anyone is in the area. I'm in lynchburg. I don't start school until July 31st... Just passing the time being lazy mostly...
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I was in the rapture but I purchased a return ticket. I forgot to tick the box fly one way. Guess I will know better next time ;D
Rhys
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lol, I was thinking the same thing. Even stranger, whenever I visited the forum, I was the only member listed in the "users active in the last 15 minutes" section.
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Maybe we should hand out leaflets at the shopping mall.
I used to hand out PT magazines to anyone who would take a quick look. (smile)
But that was way long before computers or email
I-bob
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Hey, I-bob
I also stacked the PT magazine in 5 locations in the city where I lived in the late seventies.
I think the readership was well over a million.
:)
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What is PT? O.o
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PT stands for
Worldwide Church of God.
Plain Truth Magazine.
World Tomorrow magazine
7th day Sabbath observance.
Seven annual holy days.
three tithes
1. 10% for "church"
2. 10% for attending holy day observance. Living well as it would be in World Tomorrow.
3. 10% widows and orphans, on the 3rd & 6th years of a 7 year cycle. About 22.8% average per year.
Plus the Pasadena Temple building fund.
Plus Federal income tax, State income tax, State sales tax. Local property tax.
Many heads of households tried to comply, some more successfully than others.
Very few really complied 100%. We had kids to feed. And a lot of concealed guilt.
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Hi Bob,
One thing we learned in the WCG was to live frugally. That was a positive we can take from our experience with the church. If more learned to live below their means they would relieve themselves of many burdens. There are too many constantly telling people they deserve this thing or that thing.
Doug
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PT stands for
Worldwide Church of God.
Plain Truth Magazine.
World Tomorrow magazine
7th day Sabbath observance.
Seven annual holy days.
three tithes
1. 10% for "church"
2. 10% for attending holy day observance. Living well as it would be in World Tomorrow.
3. 10% widows and orphans, on the 3rd & 6th years of a 7 year cycle. About 22.8% average per year.
Plus the Pasadena Temple building fund.
Plus Federal income tax, State income tax, State sales tax. Local property tax.
Many heads of households tried to comply, some more successfully than others.
Very few really complied 100%. We had kids to feed. And a lot of concealed guilt.
Makes the interest on my federal student loans i'm taking out seem like change in the tithing basket ;) ;D
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PT stands for
Worldwide Church of God.
Plain Truth Magazine.
World Tomorrow magazine
7th day Sabbath observance.
Seven annual holy days.
three tithes
1. 10% for "church"
2. 10% for attending holy day observance. Living well as it would be in World Tomorrow.
3. 10% widows and orphans, on the 3rd & 6th years of a 7 year cycle. About 22.8% average per year.
Plus the Pasadena Temple building fund.
Plus Federal income tax, State income tax, State sales tax. Local property tax.
Many heads of households tried to comply, some more successfully than others.
Very few really complied 100%. We had kids to feed. And a lot of concealed guilt.
It was all about works of the law. Really works of the flesh also. This ideology hurt many people, stress, finger pointing, divorce issue, kids confused (they are perceptive) , etc. Meanwhile the leadership partook of the rich and famous life style. Sad story, but it is all part of the process of "come out of her my people".
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guess I wasn't one of the called; was lurking incognito
my parents still subscribe to PT or World Tomorrow mag; whatever it's now called; even after I told them about WCG they still believe in what is published; they are 80 so no changing their minds lol
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I remember thumbing through Plain Truth Magazine at the barber shop when I was a kid back in the sixties.
It was in a small stack of magazines on the couch with Field and Stream and other manly type of reading material where you sat to wait your turn to get a hair cut.
I also listened to G.T.A. a few times on the radio.
Since I can remember those occasions it must have made some impression.
Joel
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Hi Honeylamb,
With God ALL things are possible. ;D
Even 80 year old people may be called and changed. There is always hope. However, with the knowledge we have been given we don't need to be concerned. We know that God shall do His own will and surely shall change those folks, when the time is right....
Hey look what he did with me after 30 years in worldwide. ::)
Just remember as I do, that God is NOT afraid of a serious challenge. I was certainly that!
Indiana bob
guess I wasn't one of the called; was lurking incognito
my parents still subscribe to PT or World Tomorrow mag; whatever it's now called; even after I told them about WCG they still believe in what is published; they are 80 so no changing their minds lol
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guess I wasn't one of the called; was lurking incognito
my parents still subscribe to PT or World Tomorrow mag; whatever it's now called; even after I told them about WCG they still believe in what is published; they are 80 so no changing their minds lol
Hello dear Canadian,
I do not really like the word Canuck :)
Some few go back many years being in the WWCG. We all thought we were the only ones called and chosen of all Christians. very pompous and arrogant. Exclusivist for sure. Some still cling to that doctrine espoused by the WWCG and it seems like your parents still do. They probably follow this group (link below) which claims to be the off shoot of HWA.
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Sad to see some still cling to that. I remember Ray saying that to eventually come to a true understanding of God's work in us we had to go through a system like that or something similar. i.e. come out of her my people!
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guess I wasn't one of the called; was lurking incognito
my parents still subscribe to PT or World Tomorrow mag; whatever it's now called; even after I told them about WCG they still believe in what is published; they are 80 so no changing their minds lol
Hello dear Canadian,
I do not really like the word Canuck :)
Some few go back many years being in the WWCG. We all thought we were the only ones called and chosen of all Christians. very pompous and arrogant. Exclusivist for sure. Some still cling to that doctrine espoused by the WWCG and it seems like your parents still do. They probably follow this group (link below) which claims to be the off shoot of HWA.
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Sad to see some still cling to that. I remember Ray saying that to eventually come to a true understanding of God's work in us we had to go through a system like that or something similar. i.e. come out of her my people!
If you oppose WWCG teachings (and rightly so), why do you provide a link to those false teachings, which is against Forum rules?
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So sorry
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So sorry
Sorry to be so preachy, but WWCG teachings really set me off.
When I was a member, as a young man, my firstborn son had a hernia at birth.
I decided to take him to a surgeon to repair the hernia, which was against church teaching.
The minister told me not to be surprised if God let my son die because of my lack of faith in God alone for healing. Most of the other church members looked down on me for my action.
It was a good experience for me. It is one of the reasons I have no use for church, ministers, or religious people.
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Well said JFK.
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I'd never heard of this World Wide Church before coming on this forum. But it seems that the majority of regular posters on this forum have come from there.. I've never had experience with the type of church most of you've come from. This may explain why some of us do not have certain feelings about attending a church service while others may feel very strongly about church service.
I remember a guy teaching a bible study at my old church about how Hell isn't real... Also heard a bible study about how tithing isn't scriptural... Some churches are more manipulative and controlling than others.
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LOL...I'm here, too. Might as well make the best of it!.
...there are so many groups of Christians over the years who truly believed they were the "only ones" who were right. Sadly, I was one of them...interesting read about all the different "tithes" required by WWCG. Unfortunately, the guilt trip has been laid on congregants from nearly every other established "church" over the years. It's sad to think of how many might've been pulled out of poverty, for example, if monies weren't directed to its pastor, staff, building, etc.
That said, I am thankful for my journey in this life. It is a continual learning process, though. I know people who are so bonded to their church rituals, that I know there's nothing I can say or do to change it. I can only pray that that their hearts will be receptive to the Lord's pricking their heart. "Let him who hath ears to hear, let him hear."
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Big thanks to JFK for drawing my eyes to this wonderful beautiful piece of scripture:
Psalm 37:25 I have been young, and now am old; yet have I not seen the righteous forsaken, nor his seed begging bread.
It's now one of my favorite! :)
Luke 12:4-7
4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into Gehenna; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
6 Are not five sparrows sold for two farthings, and not one of them is forgotten before God?
7 But even the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Fear not therefore: ye are of more value than many sparrows.
John 10:27-30
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them aionion life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
I am just amazed at the tremendous love God has towards. It amazes me. Truly, who can be against us?
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
God bless,
Alex