Lots of surprises are coming shortly, beginning here in Michigan.
There's a reasonable chance Big Tech will institute a blackout within days/weeks.
We are living in biblical times.
Lots of surprises are coming shortly, beginning here in Michigan.
There's a reasonable chance Big Tech will institute a blackout within days/weeks.
We are living in biblical times.
Hi Awesome,
You make a valid point, but if a blackout should occur then we will need to focus on reading scripture all the more and relying on God's spirit to continue to lead us to better understand what Ray Smith has shared with us.
Every new challenge is designed to open our eyes in a better way.
Indiana Bob
With covid-19 and the effects of lockdown there is an undercurrent of frustration building up towards the xmas period. It may burst out and the effects could be collossal,the UK is facing Brexit on top of it all.We as a couple have been offered the new covid vaccine for the over 80s,it is with some soulsearching we have said OK as we are to obey those who rule over us? The raging waves are ready to go society is in a spirit of disobedience from lots of angles,we await with trepidation!
Even if the virus is real, the mortality rate is something like 0.04% or so.. which is extremely low.
Even if the virus is real, the mortality rate is something like 0.04% or so.. which is extremely low.
COVID-19, the virus, is REAL. Unfortunately, it will take the death of a love one before some people will take it seriously.
Ok. Real or not. Let’s not have a thread about that. It will get shut down as this is an issue that is dividing everyone like other issues right now. Do you guys see things getting better and less turbulent in the world over the coming months? Or do you feel things will get more turbulent and people more divided?
Friend Shawn,
I believe that your reference to sheep and goats is from a parable in Matt 25:31 which does not occur until after the return of Lord Jesus and the final judgment. What we see happening now has been happening since Lord Jesus ascended although it seems more intense during these last days, especially since we have world wide communication.
see also Matt 13:49, 2Cor 5:10
Indiana Bob
Also, earlier this month, HHS announced a second round of federal relief for hospitals in high impact areas, totaling $10 billion.
Of that second-round money, HHS reported 63 California hospitals received $50,000 for each eligible coronavirus patient they admitted between Jan. 1 and June 10, 2020. That's a combined total of more than $607 million.
Concordant:
Gen 7:4 For in seven days further I will cause it to rain on the earth forty days and forty nights; and I will wipe out, off the surface of the entire ground, everyone who has risen, whom I have made.
I looked up partitively which is in Strongs definition of earth/ground and it means:
Google:
"par·ti·tive. (pär′tĭ-tĭv) adj. 1. Dividing or serving to divide something into parts; marked by division."
Strongs of earth/ground:
"From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world."
Ray proves from the scriptures that the flood did not cover the entire earth: https://youtu.be/Fie4lGQ_9kU (https://youtu.be/Fie4lGQ_9kU)
Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
Gen 8:4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.
We know that the word "mountains" could or should have been translated "hills"
Strong's H2022 definition of mountain:
A shortened form of H2042; a mountain or range of hills (sometimes used figuratively): - hill (country), mount (-ain), X promotion.
And we just have an idea about how long a "cubit" is but 'fifteen cubits' seems to be about 23 to 30 feet.
nshan,
I agree with what you have presented.
This is a difficult subject for many sincere persons to accept.
There are in my own experience reasonable and logical explanations of how the world wide flood may have happened and not have refuted true scientific fact, but those explanations are still unprovable. In other words we won't be able to know for sure until we ask our Lord Jesus the Christ.
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Just one hypothesis on how the waters may have covered all the high hills is that there were no six mile high mountains until after the disruption caused at the same time as the flood.
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Is God who created an 8000 mile diameter earthen ball in space able to manipulate its surface by a few miles? For example 1/1000 of its total diameter? I think it is possible, but I cannot prove it.
So then the debate is not going to make skeptics believe and therefore could be counter productive.
Thank you for your biblical research and good intentions.
Indiana Bob
I read your statement with an open mind and even thought to myself you may be right. So I just had to know for myself just in case I understood the flood wrong. So I dug around and found some interesting things.
It either destroyed all flesh save Noah or not you can't pick and choose. You can easily see this from G2889, H3605, etc. and definitely check out H776. I hate these discussions because there's nothing fruitful but here goes:
No this has not definitely not been proven and the scriptures seem to strongly attest otherwise.
Old world destroyed - new one with divided nations after:
Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world [G2889], but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
| adornment 1, world 184, world's 1[/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t][/t] -------- The words ornament and decoration kept coming up in some of these definitions and reminded me of when Jesus spoke of His Bride and or the destroying of the temple. Luk 21:5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said, Luk 21:6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 1Pe 3:3 Whose adorning, let it be—not the outward, of plaiting the hair and wearing golden ornaments, or putting on of apparel, 1Pe 3:4 But the hidden character, of the heart,—in the incorruptible ornament of the quiet, and meek, spirit, which is, in presence of God, of great price. 1Pe 3:5 For, so, at one time, the holy women also, who directed their hope towards God, used to adorn themselves, being in submission unto their own husbands: 1Pe 3:6 As, Sarah, was obedient unto Abraham, calling him, lord,—whose children ye have become—so long as ye are doing good, and not bringing yourselves into fear of any single cause of alarm. Rev 17:4 The woman was dressed in purple and scarlet, adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls. She had a gold cup in her hand filled with everything vile and with the impurities of her prostitution. Rev 17:5 On her forehead a cryptic name was written: BABYLON THE GREAT THE MOTHER OF PROSTITUTES AND OF THE VILE THINGS OF THE EARTH Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, who became rich from her, will stand far off in fear of her torment, weeping and mourning, Rev 18:16 saying: Woe, woe, the great city, clothed in fine linen, purple, and scarlet, adorned with gold, precious stones, and pearls; Rev 18:17 because in a single hour such fabulous wealth was destroyed! And every shipmaster, seafarer, the sailors, and all who do business by sea, stood far off Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for, the first heaven and the first earth, have passed away, and, the sea, is no more. Rev 21:2 And, the holy city, new Jerusalem, saw I coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. There are many more like the verses above that describe Christ's Church "of the heavens" and the Church "of the earth" being adorned and decorated, either inwardly or outwardly, if that makes sense. I'm not gonna try and change your mind nshan about what literally happened during Noah's flood, because I truly think it does not matter. However, could we agree about the spiritual aspect found in this type or shadow of Noah's flood? You do know it represents judgment in the 'lake of fire' against the earthly Church, which the Elect of God (like Noah and his family) will escape? How important is it to believe and understand what literally took place at that time? That's a sincere question. Also, please stop with this self righteous attitude and remarks, it's petty. If you think this forum is often fruitless in it's discussions, why bother responding? Should I thank you for condescending to my level and blessing me with your knowledge? Are we not all students of Christ? |
In this verse Strong's H2022 is translated mountains.
Gen 7:20 Fifteen cubits upward did the waters prevail; and the mountains were covered.
But in these verses Strong's H2022 is translated 'hill' or 'hills' (exact same Hebrew word also translated mountain or mountains).
Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the LORD, and rose up early in the morning, and builded an altar under the hill, and twelve pillars, according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
Num 14:44 But they presumed to go up unto the hill top: nevertheless the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and Moses, departed not out of the camp.
Num 14:45 Then the Amalekites came down, and the Canaanites which dwelt in that hill, and smote them, and discomfited them, even unto Hormah.
Deu 1:7 Turn you, and take your journey, and go to the mount of the Amorites, and unto all the places nigh thereunto, in the plain, in the hills, and in the vale, and in the south, and by the sea side, to the land of the Canaanites, and unto Lebanon, unto the great river, the river Euphrates.
Deu 1:41 Then ye answered and said unto me, We have sinned against the LORD, we will go up and fight, according to all that the LORD our God commanded us. And when ye had girded on every man his weapons of war, ye were ready to go up into the hill.
Deu 1:43 So I spake unto you; and ye would not hear, but rebelled against the commandment of the LORD, and went presumptuously up into the hill.
Deu 8:7 For the LORD thy God bringeth thee into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and depths that spring out of valleys and hills;
Jos 9:1 And it came to pass, when all the kings which were on this side Jordan, in the hills, and in the valleys, and in all the coasts of the great sea over against Lebanon, the Hittite, and the Amorite, the Canaanite, the Perizzite, the Hivite, and the Jebusite, heard thereof;
Jos 10:40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.
Jos 11:16 So Joshua took all that land, the hills, and all the south country, and all the land of Goshen, and the valley, and the plain, and the mountain of Israel, and the valley of the same;
Jos 15:9 And the border was drawn from the top of the hill unto the fountain of the water of Nephtoah, and went out to the cities of mount Ephron; and the border was drawn to Baalah, which is Kirjathjearim:
Jos 17:16 And the children of Joseph said, The hill is not enough for us: and all the Canaanites that dwell in the land of the valley have chariots of iron, both they who are of Bethshean and her towns, and they who are of the valley of Jezreel.
Jos 18:13 And the border went over from thence toward Luz, to the side of Luz, which is Bethel, southward; and the border descended to Atarothadar, near the hill that lieth on the south side of the nether Bethhoron.
Jos 18:14 And the border was drawn thence, and compassed the corner of the sea southward, from the hill that lieth before Bethhoron southward; and the goings out thereof were at Kirjathbaal, which is Kirjathjearim, a city of the children of Judah: this was the west quarter.
Jos 21:11 And they gave them the city of Arba the father of Anak, which city is Hebron, in the hill country of Judah, with the suburbs thereof round about it.
Jos 24:30 And they buried him in the border of his inheritance in Timnathserah, which is in mount Ephraim, on the north side of the hill of Gaash.
Jdg 2:9 And they buried him in the border of his inheritance in Timnathheres, in the mount of Ephraim, on the north side of the hill Gaash.
I quit here about one third of the way thru the Old Testament. But I know there are many, many more times where H2022 is translated hill or hills.
The water covered the hills, not the mountains. It was a local flood.
How important is it to believe and understand what literally took place at that time? That's a sincere question. Also, please stop with this self righteous attitude and remarks, it's petty. If you think this forum is often fruitless in it's discussions, why bother responding? Should I thank you for condescending to my level and blessing me with your knowledge? Are we not all students of Christ?
As Ray has said many times nshan, "you've got to pay attention to all the words." The word 'all' does not always mean what we think of as all.Sorry, I'd rather discuss the rest at another time and place. I do wish you would read a bit more of what I have presented above.
Strong's H3605 (all)
From H3634; properly the whole; hence all, any or every (in the singular only, but often in a plural sense): - (in) all (manner, [ye]), altogether, any (manner), enough, every (one, place, thing), howsoever, as many as, [no-] thing, ought, whatsoever, (the) whole, whoso (-ever).
Here: https://youtu.be/6GTFLg-sDzs (https://youtu.be/6GTFLg-sDzs) Ray proves all does not always mean what we think of as all, with many examples.
Strongs definition of earth:
"From an unused root probably meaning to be firm; the earth (at large, or partitively a land): - X common, country, earth, field, ground, land, X nations, way, + wilderness, world."
Again I looked up partitively used to describe earth:
Google:
"par·ti·tive. (pär′tĭ-tĭv) adj. 1. Dividing or serving to divide something into parts; marked by division."
And again, Ray proves from the scriptures that the flood did not cover the entire earth: https://youtu.be/Fie4lGQ_9kU (https://youtu.be/Fie4lGQ_9kU) I'll bet you have not watched that video.
You said: "Gen 7:19 And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills [H1364 + H2022 - high hills are mountains], that were under the whole heaven, were covered."
High hills are NOT mountains. They could have said 'mountains' if that's what they meant.
You see the waves raging, Lareli?
No matter what happens I try to remember everything is part of God's plan.
Someone once said, "...you can't fool all the people all the time".
You are witnessing a 60 year plan in the making, now unfolding over the many years and in the final stretch.
If I told everything I know about this plan, some would want to call the men in white jackets and have me locked up in a rubber room with a straightjacket and crayons:
https://youtu.be/-jDPJysAeBA
This virus is real, but the fake PLANdemic (with all its fake numbers and mask wearing) comes to an end during the month of April.
New financial system is coming, but it is not "the great reset". It will be for the benefit of the people, not the banksters. You won't lose your currency or benefits.
Things could get a little bumpy with some possible attacks; evil does not go down lightly.
Sometimes you can't tell people the truth; sometimes you must show them the truth.
It's going to be biblical..