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Is the following verse the vision Daniel is referring to?

Gen 1:31  God saw all that He had made, and it was very good. Evening came, and then morning: the sixth day.

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I think I do, Dennis. Is Gen 3:20 saying that Eve is the mother of all those who are spiritually alive and that Mat 8:22 proves there are those who are spiritually dead even though they are physically alive?
 
There was talk on this forum some time ago that went something like, “Adam and Eve were not the first humans, but they were the first something. Therefore, God must have created Adam and Eve for a special purpose aside from the humans created before them”. If I recall correctly, the special purpose that was concluded was so Adam could till the ground.

Gen_2:5  And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Consider that if there were humans before Adam and Eve, none of them could till the ground if and because of the stated fact, “…there was not a man to till the ground.” Adam was formed from the dust of the earth, AND THEN God breathed His Spirit into him sometime on the sixth “day”. We know from Ray papers that the English day from the Genesis creation account is translated from the Hebrew yom, which can mean a long period of time.

So I can't say for sure that God formed Adam from the dust and breathed into him life all in the same moment. I can see how Adam was formed from dust if it had yet to rain on the earth, as it must have been “dry ground”.

I believe the Genesis creation account were prophecies, or visions as Daniel would call them.

Dan 8:26  And the morning and evening vision that was told is true. But you shall shut up the vision, for it shall be for many days.

Is the following verse the vision Daniel is referring to?

Gen 1:31  God saw all that He had made, and it was very good. Evening came, and then morning: the sixth day.

The sixth “day” is when God created man. When I compared the sixth day in the Genesis creation account with Daniel 8:15-27, I couldn't help but to see the whole plan of God from start to finish toward all mankind.

There is a quote from Ray (which I can't seem to find) where he said something like, “the entire plan of God for humanity can be found from the beginning in Genesis”. Ray used Isa_46:10 as his proof text.

Isa_46:10  Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

Ray then showed what that end was as declared by God from the beginning.

Gen 1:27 And creating is the Elohim humanity in His image. In the image of the Elohim He creates it. Male and female He creates them.

Below is a quote from Ray that I never forgot and left an impression on me. I think it's relevant to this discussion.

https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,8385.0.html

Onkelos that translates where it says everything “was very good” and he says everything was an “unified order.” At that point it was a unified order. What was it before? It was chaos, then every created period went from chaos to order… from chaos to order… from chaos to order until finally at the end of the six periods, everything was a unified order. That’s how God got rid of the chaos. God uses a process. Why does He use that process? Why does He do a lot of things? God does strange things.

Onkelos perceived that a qualitative change in the nature of the universe had occurred. A change from disorder without the possibility of life, to order with life.

There is a lot in that first chapter of Genesis, there is a lot in there.
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Gen 3:20  And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 

Mat 8:22  But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead. 

Do you see the connection?

I agree Adam and Eve were not the first humans, but could we agree at the very least that Adam was the first man?

1Co 15:45  And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Ever wondered in what way was Adam the first man? Was Adam perhaps the first condition of man? God did after all form Adam from the “dust of the earth” and breathed the breath or spirit of life into him. What's the difference between 1Co 15:45 cited above and Gen 2:7?

Gen 2:7  And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Is it possible that Paul in 1Co 15:45 is giving us the correct order of the events from Gen 2:7? Is Gen 2:7 a condensed version of God's purpose for the Elect to the world?

I'm not completely sold on any of this, hence all the question marks. I am curious nonetheless.

Hello Richard,

It is a matter of God given faith.
Either you believe the scripture or you don't.
Usually faith comes gradually over time as you study and debate within yourself.
No one gets faith of their own free will. It is a gift of God.

Please be very patient with our Father God, we are his beloved creation.
Bob

I am interested in learning more of this subject . I'm convinced it's impossible for them to be the first humans .

Were Adam and Eve the First Humans?  https://youtu.be/2AbrPxV1uQU?si=m2IYq_XaXIqsaN89

Hello again to all . I am interested in exploring some subjects that seem to be firmly established in many groups but to me are questionable . I certainly question many of these ideas. I found that L Ray Smith was questioning these teachings and what he said made more sense to me than the established teachings. So I am very interested in learning more. I don't want to start or participate in arguments for example. I realise that most people don't think the same and that is all good. I believe that  Scripture is often not explored enough and man thinking can cause wrong teaching and ideas. For example I believe there is no conflict between science and religion . The conflict is caused when minds are closed and not willing to consider topics from a new angle or consider new ideas. Just to bring out one of these topics...... I don't believe the Adam of roughly 6000 years ago was the first human on earth .

Thanks Bob for the book reference, that helps in knowing what he is basing his information on. I’ve talked to him for years and tried to reason with him to no avail. We may have to drop this and talk on things that there is more agreement.

Thank you Porter that was very helpful. I may just ask him to read the responses. Your last paragraph is very profound and something I had concluded some time ago. However you expresses it in a way I could never have written. These comments have been helpful to me and much appreciated.

Hi everyone


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