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=> General Discussions => Topic started by: Brett on August 05, 2007, 12:30:12 AM
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I didn't want to post in seminole of 'why' because it is not same topic as he (or she?) have. So, I use different topic.
I don't know if this post is suppose to be in general discussions or off topic.
(to: moderates)
I tried and tried not to say anything but didn't work for me. I need to express my feeling instead of holding my feeling to death. Over month ago, I saw New topic post "Thank you for all the help. I am leaving the forum." I clicked it but it said "moved to a restricted section", so I send with personal message to moderate if this is for 'private or public' or what happened but did not answered me. So I let it go. But to me, why take it away? Can't we see who is from? Is this member that we know em well? I (or we) like to know why he or she left. If this person who made new topic is mistake or changed mind, then moderates can leave the post (removed his or her name & message if preferred private) and they can brief message that this person is made mistake or changed mind? If this person is not mistake/changed mind, then can't we read it and learn something, because I am (or we) concerning?
Then later, another new topic "a new look at Gehenna" last week but it was "restricted section" again. Why can't we learn test the spirits? I know Ray has installments to answers, but what if this topic is true? Or what if this is false? I'm not looking for fault Ray, no, I just want to learn to test spiritual. We cannot tell if the the topic is true or false. The moderates read it and take away from us, this cause me (or us) difficult time to trust moderates. My suggest is they can leave the post there and if they believe this is not good but leave it and 'locked' it with the message there, then they can explained why they locked. So that way we can learn of who moderates and their handling? Like cautious or teaching us?
Can't I (or we) have the right to test the spirits and to learn as the moderates do?
Can't I (or we) learn to trust the moderates?
My suggest (again) is if the threads is getting big debating, then moderates can locked it and explained why.
So that way I (or we) can trust who are moderates........ :-\
Moderates, sorry I post it because I feel that you would not answer me in personal message of this serious issues, so that is why I post it in public to made (or force) you to answer ;D.
Brett :-[
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yup,
thats the ticket!!!!
Randy
;D 8) ;D
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so I send with personal message to moderate if this is for 'private or public' or what happened but did not answered me.
I don't know why you did not get an answer. Members keep in mind, if you click on "report post to moderator", for some reason this does not work you need to PM them directly. I've had members pm me and ask why I did not respond to something and found out that feature did not work.
From what I remember of the post, Dean did not leave and the posts took on a nasty tone. Members where admonished and the post was taken off the forum.
Craig
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Hi Brett,
The "Gehenna" topic was removed because it was a blatant attempt at teaching a totally unscriptural message full of supposition, opinions and the doctrines of men.
Yes, there are many members that would or could see it for what it was but how about new members and guests who come here because of the articles on Bible Truths, they would see something like that and would have to wonder what this site was really all about.
The other reason is a subject such as that one is sure to cause debate and derision (by some) and those are not the reasons why this site is here. As Kat and Craig stated earlier this Forum is primarily here to discuss the articles on Bible Truths, I believe that is the reason the majority of us are here.
It is never a problem to present a question or submit an idea for us to discuss and discern together but a 1000 word (or more) teaching is not allowed as per the rules we all agreed to upon joining here.
I always try to answer any PM's as promptly as possible if I ever missed anyone I apologize, it would never be my intention to ignore any member's PM.
His Peace to you,
Joe
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I don't like the way this forum is moderated either, Brett. I don't agree with the moving to private sections, with the reasons why some threads are locked and or deleted, and why some members are banned. You say they come in here preaching doctrines of men; so why not refute them instead of copping out? You say newbies to the forum will get confused and wonder what this forum is all about; not if they also see the refutation. It will only strengthen what is the widely held belief on this forum, and prove how erroneous the Christian doctrines are for all to see.
Unless it's a porn link, spam, foul and or abusive language, or improper photos or something, I see no reason to delete a post, a thread and or ban someone.
This is my opinion,
Sorin
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It is amazing to me how people love to get offended, it is true in almost every facet of our lives, even here. Whenever an action is taken by a moderator there will be some who say "why did you do that?" And there will also be those who say "what took you so long?" ???
This Forum was created to discuss the papers on Bible Truths not as a soapbox for would be teachers, antagonists, flamethrowers and the like. Now if we all had a deep grasp of all the articles and wanted to dissect certain fallacies together maybe that would work, but today this is not yet the case.
How many of us have a good understanding of the scriptures? I think we know the answer, but there are those who say "What about the Gospel of Judas, of Thomas, how about the apocrypha?" How about becoming familiar with the Bible as we have it now first?
There are never going to be decisions made that will be greeted by 100% agreement, well maybe that statement might get 100% but very few others..... ;)
If you want debates visit or join one of the 10's of thousands of christian sites dedicated to that activity, if you want to discuss the articles on Bible Truths you have come to the right place!
His Peace to you,
Joe
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I don't like the way this forum is moderated either
I'm going to be blunt here. You don't have to like it you just have to accept it, if you can't then move on. As Joe said there are thousands of "Christian" forums out there that allow everything and anything in between, have fun.
The rules of the forum and how it is moderated is as clear as we can make them, to join the forum you agree to them. If you change your mind then you are free to leave, we are not here to get as many members as possible, and we realize the rules will not sit well with some.
Craig
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Wow! Wasn't expecting that. But whatever, I'll leave then.
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I just PM'd Sorin and he is already gone!!!
You mods answered very clearly and w/o offense I thought. You have had to defend yourselves several times and remind the board what the "raison d'etre" is.
So you lock a thread. Joe you explained it very well when you locked the suffering thread. It had splintered off. If a thread is moved, so what. You have your reasons.
I don't understand the "touchiness" or "have to be right and make that point" mentality. We are here because we feel Ray's teachings are worth discussing and fellowshipping around.
I had just PM'd Joe saying how good the board has been lately. Didn't know all the drama going on I guess.
To read this forum I take time away from reading Ray's site. I feel the teaching I get here will make up for it. Then I love seeing how people are doing in their lives-ups and downs. I mean I fellowship w/ people around the world and every walk of life here!
Oh well, my 2 cents anyway. I still will miss any who leave.
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Hi Everyone,
I speak for myself on this, but I do not believe for a second that the moderators have a problem with questions being asked and answered within the thread, providing the discourse is in harmony with the Spirit in and edifying in an uplifting way; clearly seen as such by the fruits.
Rom 14:19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
Where is the Spirit, if there is no peace amongst the brethren? This question is almost horrifying :(
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Gal 5:23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
With Love in the name of Christ, the Lamb
Darren
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Amen, Darren.
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Moderates, thanks for the response.
I didn't realize my post cause this problem, like "I'm leaving". I am very sorry for this caused. I understand what Joe, Craig and Kat explained the best they can. It does not mean I agree with them about 'restricted section', but it does not mean I will leave the forum because of that. All I'm asking is, leave the post on like "new look gehenna" or any posts and locked it with moderates brief mesaage. But, if moderates do not agree with me, that is okay as long as we respect one another. Just like wife and husband, you know sometimes they not always agree for any issues but they do agree most of things and some of things they don't but they love each other and respect each other. There is no need arguing or upsetting (or even divorced).
Moderates, I'm really sorry for this caused. You can locked it, if you want to.
I really like Sorin, but it hurts me when it said "I'm leaving". I'm sure it hurts someone, too. I'm sorry, again. I'm embarassing.
Brett
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I don't like the way this forum is moderated either,
Unless it's a porn link, spam, foul and or abusive language, or improper photos or something, I see no reason to delete a post, a thread and or ban someone.
This is my opinion,
Sorin
OK so unless it is porn. spam, foul or abusive language, improper photos all is well and should be tolerated?
I don't like the way this forum is moderated either
I'm going to be blunt here. You don't have to like it you just have to accept it, if you can't then move on. As Joe said there are thousands of "Christian" forums out there that allow everything and anything in between, have fun.
The rules of the forum and how it is moderated is as clear as we can make them, to join the forum you agree to them. If you change your mind then you are free to leave, we are not here to get as many members as possible, and we realize the rules will not sit well with some.
Craig
Hmmmm....
I detect a difference of opinion, what next?
Wow! Wasn't expecting that. But whatever, I'll leave then.
Sorin, why are you not being an example of this "tolerance" you expect from the moderators? You see something you do not agree with and POOF! you are gone, thankfully we do not deal with disagreements or differences of opinion by shutting everything down.
Another difference of opinion I suspect.
His Peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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Hi Brett,
No need to apologize or be embarrassed at all!
We are going to have differences of opinion here and everywhere, the real issue is how we deal with them, the Forum is here to discuss Ray's papers. To be honest I have not seen anyone so advanced in understanding (myself included) that these articles can be brushed aside.
Let us speak of things we have common ground on and if there is something to be scripturally refuted by all means provide the scriptures and we will address it. Giving weight to every heretic opinion is a huge waste of time, expecting the moderators to dissect thousand word essays with no scriptural authority is presumptuous and unrealistic.
Dear Brother Brett, do not be troubled by any of this, it is to be expected, we need to look to His Spirit within to discern how we interact with our brethren.
His peace and Wisdom to you,
Joe
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Joe,
Thank you for being kindness to me. :) And thanks for the explaining for me, my brother Joe.
Brett :D
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Thanks a lot all... I've learned from this thread as well!
Joy, Janice HO!
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I don't understand all of this either . Oh , by the way, Someone posting above didn't know if I was male or female. seminole is male. They don't have girls playing football where I am from! No foul or harm though!
I get that most peple here study based on what Ray has written or spoken of. I am NOT putting him or anybody else down. My take is the Bible. Some may say that the Bible as we have it today had stuff left out but that is what we have and that is what I'll stand on. It is clear that Ray studies a lot and that is great. I have to stand firstly on what my Bible says. If Ray is teaching the Bible all the better but I have to see it for myself. I want to read and study so I can get my mind around it.I trust God to deal with my heart and brain as I read the Bible. That's not to say I don't trust the words or study of someone else I just need to study and see for myself too.
Nole
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Seminole
I am curious as to whether you have read Ray's writings especially the Lake of Fire series. You seem to have a lot of issues that I believe is very evident and easy to understand from Ray's writings which are strictly tied to scripture.
CIY
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I have read them. Matter of fact I have read through almost all the areas there. I will be the first to point out that my ability to retain knowledge easily is impaired. I took too many hits to the head and too many dugs and alcohol! Maybe someone like me who has these limitations shouldn't even be here. Sometimes I wonder because I sure don't have the knowledge of most of the people here.
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Seminole,
Here is an excerpt from Ray Nashville conference that my be of help to you.
audio 8
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4472.0.html --------
But there are some things that you can do and think about, to give yourself certain peace of mind and security. That we really should have. I’m sure, not all of you have it. Some of you grasp at learning more than others. You think, ‘I’ve got to learn more about life and I’ve got to learn this stuff Ray is teaching.’ ‘If I could just learn all this stuff.’ ‘I’ve got to learn, learn, learn.’ ‘I’ll get it down and I’ll be there, I’ve just got to learn.’
Now some of you may not be meant to learn a lot of stuff. What I mean, some people are just not good learners. And it’s not necessary that you learn all this stuff, you know. I give you all this teaching and all these scripture and all these explanations and so on and you can’t remember it all. That alright. Did you get anything out of it? ‘Well yea.’ If you know what I’m saying, that good, your getting something out of it. You got a feeling, you’ve got a sense of, ‘I like God better now.’ You don’t think God thinks, you’re as bad as you think you are, sometimes. Whatever goodness you get out of it. Don’t worry about all the technical details.
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mercy, peace, and love
Kat
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Seminole
Remember God has you on BT for some reason. So stop thinking you do not have the knowledge and just decide to be teachable.
Please do not take this as anything other than encouraging advice from someone who has hit many snags and bumps along the way.
Remember that the traditions of man will make the word of God of no effect so that when you read the word you make it conform to the doctrines that you were raised up with in church instead of believing what it means.
Also stop kicking against the pricks and relax and believe.
You have read enough to know that there is no eternal hell, there is no freewill, the bible is, was, and will be so that it is happening in you now and will continue. Accept that.
I have read over Ray's stuff numerous times and I continue to study the bible and I compare everything Ray writes with the bible. I am telling you this to encourage you to not give up but to continue reading. From now on open up your mind and let it be renewed by the word. Let the word get rid of those old false doctrines so that you are free to believe the truth.
As a man thinks so is he. Get a good attitude in God and believe the truth.
God bless
CIY
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All I have to say is that I appreciate the "rules" of this forum. Without them, it would probably deteriorate into an AOL Born Again Online chat room (yikes)!
I haven't been here long but I'm very thankful that the focus is on Ray's teachings (which are teachings from scripture). Some of his teachings do bring up more questions and its nice to have a place to ask those questions!
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Hi dawnnny,
Thank you for the clear and concise message, in only your second post no less. The fact of the matter is if those among us are seeking debates and opinions and more teachings from babylon they can exercise this passion at thousands of other sites, I am not saying they need to withdraw or are in danger of being banned only that if they need to argue do it somewhere else.
The rules everyone agreed to are quite clear.
Thank you again!
His Peace to you,
Joe
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Hi CIY,
As a man thinks so is he.
I don't really think that's true. You can think your a king, but just because you think that, it doesn't mean that your a king. Is there a scripture that says something like that?
Just asking!!! :)
Great post CIY!!!
Iris
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Iris, as a man thinks in his heart, so is he.
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Iris,
It is Proverbs 23:7
"For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee."
I love this verse. It is not what a man says or really how he acts toward a person, but it is how he thinks in his heart. I am probably being a little liberal with it when I apply it to one's attitude, but I believe it is certainly a powerful trait in a person. When one truly gets the mind of Christ, just think of how that persons thinking in their innermost parts will affect how they live their life.
Totally free indeed.
CIY
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CIY,
Thanks for the scripture!
Now that I've read and thought about it, I can see that if you have love in your heart, you will love all (or at least try to) and by having love in your heart, It will change you into an new person, with God's help.
Iris
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Hi all I am new to this site and just wanted to chime in. I think as the moderator said you will always have disagreements with any decision that is made. There is unfortunately no way of getting around that. What I think or pray that would happen in instances like this is to show humility and love to each other on both sides of the issue. I feel for most of us who have found this site, feel like we have finally found our kindred spirits.In light of this we should be careful not to so easily threaten to leave such a wonderful opportunity for fellowship,nor should we so easily suggest leaving if you don't like it. I want all of you to know that I am watching to see how we treat one another hear,that is far more important than any revelation you believe you are in possesion of.James 3Vs13-17 says Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envying and strife in your hearts,glory not,and lie not against the truth.This wisdom descendeth not from above,but is earthly,sensual,devilish. For where envying and strife are, there is confusion and every evil work.But the wisdom that is from above is first pure,then peaceable,gentle,and easy to be entreated,full of mercy and good fruits,without partiality,and without hypocrisy. So lets love each other,and continue on with one another. God bless P.S. I am not fussing or trying to be anyones teacher.
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Son of One
I appreciate your words and intention so do not be offended when I take issue with your following quote:
I want all of you to know that I am watching to see how we treat one another hear,that is far more important than any revelation you believe you are in possesion of
When it comes to revelation from God, it is far more important what anyone thinks whether it is a friend, brother, mother or wife. Jesus said that if you are worried about what man thinks you cannot be saved.
Worrying about what people think is what kept people away from seeking to know Christ better.
I think one of the main things people of the truth should do is not be so easily hurt by discussions and rebukes from brothers and sisters, but at the same time try each spirit to see where it is from.
Bless you.
CIY
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This is the best strategy I believe:
James 1:21 So get rid of all uncleanness and the rampant outgrowth of wickedness, and in a humble spirit receive and welcome the Word which implanted and rooted contains the power to save your souls.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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Hi all I am new to this site and just wanted to chime in. I think as the moderator said you will always have disagreements with any decision that is made. There is unfortunately no way of getting around that. What I think or pray that would happen in instances like this is to show humility and love to each other on both sides of the issue. I feel for most of us who have found this site, feel like we have finally found our kindred spirits.In light of this we should be careful not to so easily threaten to leave such a wonderful opportunity for fellowship,nor should we so easily suggest leaving if you don't like it. I want all of you to know that I am watching to see how we treat one another hear,that is far more important than any revelation you believe you are in possesion of.James 3Vs13-17 says Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him let him show out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter envying and strife in your hearts,glory not,and lie not against the truth.This wisdom descendeth not from above,but is earthly,sensual,devilish. For where envying and strife are, there is confusion and every evil work.But the wisdom that is from above is first pure,then peaceable,gentle,and easy to be entreated,full of mercy and good fruits,without partiality,and without hypocrisy. So lets love each other,and continue on with one another. God bless P.S. I am not fussing or trying to be anyones teacher.
Hey Sonofone,
Welcome to the forum.
Your post reminded me of some discussions held in other threads. Paraphrasing what I believe you are saying is its not enough to just know the truth but we must also try with God's grace to live it.
The verse that Arcturus posted was a blessing to me because it reminded me to re-examine that chapter in James and a great read, the remainder of that chapter in James is as follows:
Jam 1:21 Therefore put away all filthiness and rampant wickedness and receive with meekness the implanted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jam 1:22 But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves.
Jam 1:23 For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks intently at his natural face in a mirror.
Jam 1:24 For he looks at himself and goes away and at once forgets what he was like.
Jam 1:25 But the one who looks into the perfect law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer who forgets but a doer who acts, he will be blessed in his doing.
Jam 1:26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless.
Jam 1:27 Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their affliction, and to keep oneself unstained from the world.
While watching how others on this forum treat one another might give you an indication of how they practice what truths they have learned, but I believe the true guide for all of us is the truth of His word and not necessarily what others are doing.
I agree that tolerance, patience, loving kindness, discernment, speaking to others as we would like to be spoken to should be some of the key considerations as we post our messages. I agree with CIY in that we should not be so affronted by what others post and try to hear things with less ego and more discernment for the meaning and spirit of the message conveyed to us.
If there are some types of messengers that cause me to be uncomfortable in some way, then I just stop reading their posts. I realize that it is my problem, not theirs, but that is how I deal with it personally. I don't know how else to deal with it yet. Maybe I will soon. I guess I'm not yet ready for prime time internet. ;)
Thanks again for your message sonofone and a warm welcome to the forum
be blessed,
feat
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I agree sonofone...."you shall know them by their fruits."
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Hello again all. I saw a couple of responses to my post that I wanted to address. I thought about PMing but then thought if I put it here everyone would know where I am coming from. You know how when you say something and just after it leaves your lips you go wow! did that accurately describe what I intended to say?It happens to me from time to time. I am speaking in reference to my statement about watching to see how we treat one another here. To be honest I was a little lazy in adding the further clarity or qualifying that statement,instead leaving it out there hoping the scripture reference I left would flesh it out for me. The whole chapter of 1st Corinthians 13 fleshes out what I intended to convey with the statement I made.Vs 2 in particular probably comes closest to my actual words which reads AND THOUGH I HAVE THE GIFT OF PROPHECY,AND UNDERSTAND ALL MYSTERIES,AND ALL KNOWLEDGE;AND THOUGH I HAVE ALL FAITH,SO THAT I COULD MOVE MOUNTAINS,AND HAVE NOT LOVE I AM NOTHING.So all I was intended to say was that I am new to this forum and consider it a blessing to be able to fellowship here,yet while I am here I am still watching to see the spirit of the forum. Do we love and support one another when we have disagreements? because if we don't then we are no better than Babylon,because there to they are quick to boot you out when you don't see things there way. I am sure we all can relate to that.Before somebody says or has a negative reaction to that statement. I understand and agree with the rules of the forum and understand that some peoples intentions and or spirit leave no other peaceful alternative other than dismissing them.I am speaking more-so of the spirit of if you don't like it leave or go somewhere else. For many of us I suspect there is no place else to go to.I know for me this is the water in the middle of my dessert experience.I hope this cleared things up although I have that nagging feeling that the last statement I made may have been the proverbial Cow kicking over the pale of milk! If that is the case I am open to receiving a Pm to address it. Thanks God Bless.
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Hello sonofone
What unites us here in the Forum is the teachings that have drawn and dragged us to this site. There are no other teachings anywhere in the world on any site in the world that come ankle high to the towering wisdom and truths we are freely given here.
Perhaps you need see what keeps us united rather than seeing our differences which are vast and multiple. In diversity there is unity here in this Forum because the teachings are of Christs Mind, Heart and Spirit. We all feed off that and fellowship in the unity of coming to know our Creator.
That is what our bond is. The Truth. All else are side issues I believe.
Peace to you
Arcturus :)
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I am new to the forum and have never been part of a forum before so this is all new to me. About removing posts that don't adhere to the rules of this forum seems logical, imagine allowing everyone to use the forum as a free for all, say what you want, no restrictions need I say more can you imagine the chaos.
We are here because of Christ nothing else it is He that has dragged us here, I know for a fact I am not here by my own doing.
I have only recently been plucked out of "Babylon" about 2 months ago and have just about finished reading through BT.com for the first time. We have so much to be thankful for, knowing what we know, think for a moment about those that are still lost.
You can tell what type of a tree it is by the fruit that it bears, for a "newbie" I think I will stop here for now.
Grateful to be here
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Hello again all. I saw a couple of responses to my post that I wanted to address. I thought about PMing but then thought if I put it here everyone would know where I am coming from. You know how when you say something and just after it leaves your lips you go wow! did that accurately describe what I intended to say?It happens to me from time to time. I am speaking in reference to my statement about watching to see how we treat one another here. To be honest I was a little lazy in adding the further clarity or qualifying that statement,instead leaving it out there hoping the scripture reference I left would flesh it out for me. The whole chapter of 1st Corinthians 13 fleshes out what I intended to convey with the statement I made.Vs 2 in particular probably comes closest to my actual words which reads AND THOUGH I HAVE THE GIFT OF PROPHECY,AND UNDERSTAND ALL MYSTERIES,AND ALL KNOWLEDGE;AND THOUGH I HAVE ALL FAITH,SO THAT I COULD MOVE MOUNTAINS,AND HAVE NOT LOVE I AM NOTHING.So all I was intended to say was that I am new to this forum and consider it a blessing to be able to fellowship here,yet while I am here I am still watching to see the spirit of the forum. Do we love and support one another when we have disagreements? because if we don't then we are no better than Babylon,because there to they are quick to boot you out when you don't see things there way. I am sure we all can relate to that.Before somebody says or has a negative reaction to that statement. I understand and agree with the rules of the forum and understand that some peoples intentions and or spirit leave no other peaceful alternative other than dismissing them.I am speaking more-so of the spirit of if you don't like it leave or go somewhere else. For many of us I suspect there is no place else to go to.I know for me this is the water in the middle of my dessert experience.I hope this cleared things up although I have that nagging feeling that the last statement I made may have been the proverbial Cow kicking over the pale of milk! If that is the case I am open to receiving a Pm to address it. Thanks God Bless.
Sonofone,
Welcome to the forum.
You are correct we must do it in Love. But you may get a knee jerk reaction from some as many are confused on what Love is. As Ray puts it in his kiss of death (http://bible-truths.com/kiss.htm) article it is not all "huggie huggie kissie kissie" as many assume it is. You may also be interested in a transcript by Kat, from Ray's Love Audio (http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,3719.0.html).
We also need to remember whatever Truth and knowledge we do have is only in part and some are at different levels than others.
God Bless
Bill