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 on: Yesterday at 09:30:28 AM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by Porter
You as naive is the furthest thing from my mind. You're as sharp as they come, and one of the most positive people I know. It may just be you've discovered peace and happiness in your soul.

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 on: Yesterday at 08:47:30 AM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by Musterseed
Wow, I am so naive. I actually thought you were asking a question :o

 3 
 on: Yesterday at 07:22:43 AM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by Porter
Thanks, Pamela, but it was more of a rhetorical question, seeing how the answer was in the parables cited.



 4 
 on: March 17, 2024, 05:34:08 PM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by Musterseed
Porter, your questions are all answered in three transcripts of Rays teaching.

Your question…. Can we obey the old while serving the new?
Answer is in THE MYTH OF FREE WILL EXPOSED,,,, LOF pt.15

Heading——- The Ten Commandments Are Spiritual, begin there.

For your scriptures of Matt.6:22-24
Light and darkness, see transcript Guilty of all.

And for 2 Cor. 6:14….. Ray gives an excellent teaching in transcript on Love
and this actually ties in to the Matt.6 scriptures also.

May God grant you the gold nuggets you are digging for.

Love in Christ, Pamela






 5 
 on: March 17, 2024, 02:53:21 PM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by indianabob
In the spirit of laying my life down, I'm gonna stick my neck out a little. If that sounds dramatic, so be it.

Do these teachings mean anything?

2Co 6:14  Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness?

Mat 6:22  "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
Mat 6:23  But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. So if the light within you is darkness--how deep is that darkness!
Mat 6:24  "No one can be a slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot be slaves of God and of money.

Based on these teachings, these parables, is it possible that one can serve and obey the Old Testament while serving and obeying the New Testament? Don't think I havn't asked myself this question and applied it to myself, because I have. I had to ask myself because I don't trust my wisdom and reasoning enough to have confidence in myself.

We had to be naked before we could be clothed. We had to be blind before we could see. Likewise, we had to be dragged before we could walk with Jesus. Jesus could only be with us before He could be in us.

I hesitated a lot before commenting in the way I did here. I gave it a day hoping the desire would go away because I was afraid. Furthermore, I was afraid of being a hypocrite and a heretic among those whom Jesus loves.
I love discussing these things with you all because it's very encouraging. It's possible I'm not understanding some things correctly, as I've had that happen before.

Not only is it possible, but it is required.

We can’t live everything in the word of God outwardly in the physical sense, but we can and will live everything inwardly, spiritually, including the Old Testament.

Matthew 4:4
4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” 

Jeremiah 31:33
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


Jer. 31:33 is the blessing the house of Israel has to look forward to after our Lord Jesus has returned to govern the earth. May that day come soon.

 6 
 on: March 16, 2024, 09:53:03 PM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by ralph
In the spirit of laying my life down, I'm gonna stick my neck out a little. If that sounds dramatic, so be it.

Do these teachings mean anything?

2Co 6:14  Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness?

Mat 6:22  "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
Mat 6:23  But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. So if the light within you is darkness--how deep is that darkness!
Mat 6:24  "No one can be a slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot be slaves of God and of money.

Based on these teachings, these parables, is it possible that one can serve and obey the Old Testament while serving and obeying the New Testament? Don't think I havn't asked myself this question and applied it to myself, because I have. I had to ask myself because I don't trust my wisdom and reasoning enough to have confidence in myself.

We had to be naked before we could be clothed. We had to be blind before we could see. Likewise, we had to be dragged before we could walk with Jesus. Jesus could only be with us before He could be in us.

I hesitated a lot before commenting in the way I did here. I gave it a day hoping the desire would go away because I was afraid. Furthermore, I was afraid of being a hypocrite and a heretic among those whom Jesus loves.
I love discussing these things with you all because it's very encouraging. It's possible I'm not understanding some things correctly, as I've had that happen before.

Not only is it possible, but it is required.

We can’t live everything in the word of God outwardly in the physical sense, but we can and will live everything inwardly, spiritually, including the Old Testament.

Matthew 4:4
4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’ ” 

Jeremiah 31:33
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.


 7 
 on: March 16, 2024, 09:09:54 PM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by Porter
In the spirit of laying my life down, I'm gonna stick my neck out a little. If that sounds dramatic, so be it.

Do these teachings mean anything?

2Co 6:14  Do not be mismatched with unbelievers. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness?

Mat 6:22  "The eye is the lamp of the body. If your eye is good, your whole body will be full of light.
Mat 6:23  But if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. So if the light within you is darkness--how deep is that darkness!
Mat 6:24  "No one can be a slave of two masters, since either he will hate one and love the other, or be devoted to one and despise the other. You cannot be slaves of God and of money.

Based on these teachings, these parables, is it possible that one can serve and obey the Old Testament while serving and obeying the New Testament? Don't think I havn't asked myself this question and applied it to myself, because I have. I had to ask myself because I don't trust my wisdom and reasoning enough to have confidence in myself.

We had to be naked before we could be clothed. We had to be blind before we could see. Likewise, we had to be dragged before we could walk with Jesus. Jesus could only be with us before He could be in us.

I hesitated a lot before commenting in the way I did here. I gave it a day hoping the desire would go away because I was afraid. Furthermore, I was afraid of being a hypocrite and a heretic among those whom Jesus loves.
I love discussing these things with you all because it's very encouraging. It's possible I'm not understanding some things correctly, as I've had that happen before.

 8 
 on: March 15, 2024, 11:14:40 PM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by Musterseed
Well said Ralph . 

Our bodies decay, as our spirit soars, when I think about
Our Lords plan for humanity, I feel like Tom Cruise jumping on Oprah’s
couch.  ;D ;D :o

 9 
 on: March 15, 2024, 09:56:20 PM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by ralph
Christ will do greater things spiritually in us and through us than he physically did while he was on Earth.

John 14:12-14
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.

The spiritual aspects of scripture are paramount.

John 6:63
63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

Helping people is a blessing. I will do so whenever I have the means or opportunity, but feeding someone with spiritual food and riches is of much greater importance and value.

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 on: March 15, 2024, 08:48:59 PM 
Started by Musterseed - Last post by Porter
This exactly Pamela! Ray made it abundantly clear from the Scriptures that our righteousness should “…exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and the Pharisee's” (Mat_5:20). It's no secret that the Scribes and Pharisee's excelled in the physical law of Moses. The Apostle Paul (back when he was named Saul) was a Pharisee himself, and he practiced the law to near perfection, over and above all the other Pharisees.

The commandment of “thou shall not commit adultery” that Pamela brought up gives us the perfect opportunity to see how we can apply that spiritually or internally so that our righteousness can exceed the righteousness of the Scribes and Pharisees. It's really as simple as not lusting or fantasizing after another in our hearts and minds. By doing this, as Pamela pointed out, the outside will become clean. In other words, if you nip this sin of physical adultery in the bud by resisting the cause of it that starts in the heart when we fantasize about it, you won't do it physically. This principle can be applied to all the physical law of Moses because as Paul said: “…the law is spiritual” (Rom_7:14).

There is another layer of spiritual truth within the commandment of thou shall not commit adultery. This truth will really show us how truly dark the spiritual sin of adultery is. It's like the darkness has a whole new level of darkness, and it points to the sin of the world. It's a lust like no other and gives a new meaning to having faith or being faithful to Jesus. Ray has already expounded on this in the free will series of his papers. If I could condense it down to a few words, I'd start with the first commandment of — “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” from Exo 20:3.

Jesus is not only God, but He is also the Churches promised Husband. Rather than waiting for Jesus and remaining faithful to Jesus by remaining a “virgin”, the Church commits adultery by obeying Satan (albeit through deception) and worshiping themselves. It gets worse. Once we realize that the spiritual sin of adultery is the same as every other sexual sin mentioned in the bible, we might start to feel pretty gross about it. I mean, it's supposed to make our skin crawl, to inspire the change I was talking about before. That's what these spiritual laws do. Here's the sad truth of the matter.

Joh 3:19  "This, then, is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved darkness rather than the light because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20  For everyone who practices wicked things hates the light and avoids it, so that his deeds may not be exposed.

There is hope, and that is why Christ has brought us together.

Act 26:18  to open their eyes that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a share among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.'

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