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Ayaan Hirsi tells us what Islam is all about better than all the documentaries I've seen combined.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe_cuzsmmHU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fe_cuzsmmHU)
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Very interesting Dennis,
Had a difficult time hearing some of the speech due to the higher pitch of her voice, but maybe if I could see a transcript it would help.
Very much appreciated how it applies to us (BT) with our philosophy of life rather than one of death or hereafter only.
Regards, Indiana Bob
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Click on the "cc" icon Bob for closed captions.
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She has a very interesting background: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayaan_Hirsi_Ali)
Somali-born but escaped to Germany then Holand.
"elected a member of the House of Representatives (the lower house of the Dutch parliament)"
"named by Time magazine as one of the 100 most influential people in the world."
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What is Islam all about, its all about the very same method as Christian, Catholic, and all other religions are all about, LIES. My God has nothing to do with all that man made garbadge. Spirit and Truth is who He is and what He is. That's it. In my walk I have separated Him from Church's, and religion. I see Him better this way. Ricky
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Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
I do not think the scriptures ignore Islam. IMO, the book of Daniel could be talking about Islam.
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Hi Dennis, I can see Matt.24,42 meaning the hour the Lord comes for you is the hour you die, you don't know when that will happen, so we don't know when He is coming, but the next thing you will know and see will be Jesus Christ. Death is like sleep. What happens when you fall asleep at night. Without dreaming you will immediately wake up 6-8-10 hours into the future, it is instance. If you were to die right now, you would immediately wake up, but it will be sometime in the future, maybe a 100 years later, but you will feel that it was that fast, Jesus comes like a thief in the night. His Resurrection comes at that time. I can see it being this way. Ricky
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Ricky, what you are saying is true, I believe--but not the whole truth.
1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
We shall NOT all sleep. BUT we shall ALL be changed--including those who do not 'sleep'.
Whether it is in 'rising' from 'sleep' in Resurrection or 'being changed' at His appearing in Glory. we shall ALL be changed...in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye.
Not only that, but we may well have a foretaste--a down-payment of His Spirit that makes this possible in our spirits and lives every day--several times a day, even.
WHY?
1Co 15:53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
1Co 15:54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
This corruptible MUST put on incorruption and this mortal MUST put on immortality. That's what is NEXT, and for everybody--each in his own turn.
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Go Ricky, about time someone taught Dennis a thing or two.....LOL !
I hope you are paying attention Dennis ! ;D ;)
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Click on the "cc" icon Bob for closed captions.
Didn't think of that ::)
Oh well, I was going to watch it again anyhow....
Thanks Dennis, much appreciated
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Be careful those left and right shoulder angels are taking down notes for Mohammad.
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Hello Dave, I find this interesting, gonna get something off my chest. What I say comes from me, I don't read anything other than B.T. On other topic I asked everyone here if anyone believes they are the elect. No one said anything about it, because no one knows. Not all shall sleep (die) I was not directing death and sleep at those people, because they are sometime in the future, 100 years maybe we don't know. It was directed at us because I dought we will be alive when this happens. DEAD in CHRIST, What does In Christ mean? I believe there is only ONE way you can be Dead or Alive In Christ, You Must have the power from God to believe the Truth there can be no other way to be In Christ. So saying this would mean for us, if Ray is correct, we would be the only ones that are In Christ meaning we just might be the elect. So death to us would mean instantly caught up in the air with Christ. Ricky
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Hello Dave, I find this interesting, gonna get something off my chest. What I say comes from me, I don't read anything other than B.T. On other topic I asked everyone here if anyone believes they are the elect. No one said anything about it, because no one knows. Not all shall sleep (die) I was not directing death and sleep at those people, because they are sometime in the future, 100 years maybe we don't know. It was directed at us because I dought we will be alive when this happens. DEAD in CHRIST, What does In Christ mean? I believe there is only ONE way you can be Dead or Alive In Christ, You Must have the power from God to believe the Truth there can be no other way to be In Christ. So saying this would mean for us, if Ray is correct, we would be the only ones that are In Christ meaning we just might be the elect. So death to us would mean instantly caught up in the air with Christ. Ricky
Personally, I havn't watched the entire video so what I'm about to say is purely directed at what you said here ricky,
I don't think we can assume we are the elect, that is rather presumptuous of us. To my knowledge,, none of the apostles made this claim of themselves. I also don't think we are the only ones God has called and chosen in the world. There may be yet others out there who are chosen of God and striving to win the race but who are not participators in this forum here. Who can say with certainty? Only God knows the elect.
As to this topic:
I will watch the video before making any comments.
"A fool judges a matter before he hears the whole..."
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Hi Lilitalienboi16,
Reference your message quoted in part below.
I do think that the apostle Paul considered himself one of the elect and taught the same to members who believed the gospel of Christ given to Paul.
I think we all realize that there have been called out and chosen believers in every generation for at least the past 2000 years since Jesus' ascension. Although as you say we don't have a full definition of who they are.
It really doesn't take a lot of bible knowledge to be a believer once the faith has been given. A person doesn't even have to be very literate or intellectually superior. It's the confusion brought about by the ones (some teachers) who do know it all that is so difficult to overcome; until God erases that error and that is a lifelong work for each of us.
Error doesn't disqualify us from serving God and Jesus, as long as we receive strength from Jesus to continue to repent of our error when it is pointed out to us.
God calls mainly those who are small and insignificant to build them up the way God wants them to be. So I'm quite confident that there could be a million or so in any generation who don't even have access to the Internet. (smile) [I went to school when we still had books and teachers who dressed for work.] Still a very small percentage out of 7 billion...
With what I've been through in life and what I have learned and am experiencing now, I have the hope of continuing in my journey of faith and I am assured that when I fall down the Lord Jesus will kick me in my shins until I beg for the strength to get back up and continue on the path he has put me on. Jesus made it quite plain that NONE of his would be lost. Once Jesus finds the lost ones he doesn't let loose. You can bet your life on that.
WE can rest in the assurance that God want us to be His and God will finish His work in us.
Mark 9:24 "lord I believe, help me with my unbelief"
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I don't think we can assume we are the elect, that is rather presumptuous of us. To my knowledge,, none of the apostles made this claim of themselves. I also don't think we are the only ones God has called and chosen in the world. There may be yet others out there who are chosen of God and striving to win the race but who are not participators in this forum here. Who can say with certainty? Only God knows the elect.
As to this topic:
I will watch the video before making any comments.
"A fool judges a matter before he hears the whole..."
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We cannot assume we are the e!ect, what I have stated points to the fact that we would have a better chance at being the elect than anybody inside church' or any religion they belong to, none of them know the truth. We are not the only ones God has chosen, we would be the only ones chosen during this time period. Back in Bible days did the people know what the word Elect means in the Bible? Something tells me that they did not have the same meanings and knowledge of the Bible that we have. Take a look at how difficult the Bible is for people today that have knowledge to understand any book out there, except the Bible. These people are Doctors, Judges, Lawyers, Presidents, Prime Ministers, Queens, Kings, and so on. People were not educated back in Bible days. I think the Bible is the only book on the he planet that scares the hell out of everyone, this is why most of the world stays away from it. I believe we need to see God differently than the church or any religion does. I can back that up with a verse, Do not be comformed with the world! Do not do as they do, If we are the Elect I really think we need more hope of this. It would help us do better for Him. Ricky
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Hi Ricky,
I think we do have Scripture that may very well point to the thought that we can know if God is doing His work of salvation in us. Jude certainly did not sound doubtful of himself or the believers he was speaking to.
Jude 1:1 Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ:
v. 2 Mercy, peace, and love be multiplied to you.
v. 3 Beloved, while I was very diligent to write to you concerning our common salvation, I found it necessary to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints.
Look how Peter spoke to the believers he was teaching.
1Peter 1:6 You greatly rejoice in this, even though you have to suffer various kinds of trial for a little while,
v. 7 so that your genuine faith, which is more valuable than gold that perishes when tested by fire, may result in praise, glory, and honor when Jesus, the Messiah, is revealed.
v. 8 Though you have not seen him, you love him. And even though you do not see him now, you believe in him and rejoice with an indescribable and glorious joy,
v. 9 because you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls.
Peter must have known them well enough to see the fruit of the Spirit in them and that is how you know if somebody is truly in Christ.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a rotten tree cannot produce good fruit.
v. 19 Every tree that doesn't produce good fruit will be cut down and thrown into a fire.
v. 20 So by their fruit you will know them."
Paul did show a belief that he was chosen, notice when speaking about salvation he says it's the reason he endured, so that believers "too" might receive it.
2Tim 2:8 Meditate on Jesus, the Messiah, who was raised from the dead and is a descendant of David. This is the gospel I tell others.
v. 9 Because of it I am experiencing trouble, even to the point of being chained like a criminal. However, God's word is not chained.
v. 10 For that reason, I endure everything for the sake of those who have been chosen so that they, too, may receive the salvation that is in the Messiah Jesus, along with eternal glory.
v. 11 This saying is trustworthy: In dying with the Messiah, true life we gain.
I'm not trying to say that somebody could know for sure and then they could rest easy having that knowledge... wouldn't you think if somebody truly were that the spirit would not let them ever rest easy? Somebody who is chosen would not be so cocky or arrogance. But I would certainly think the Holy Spirit indwelling a person should be noticeable.
But Jesus did speak of those who falsely believe they are chosen "tares" (Matt 13). In that parable Christ speaks of those who are right among the chosen and it is really hard to tell them apart, but you can know, "by their fruit you will know them." Look at the parable of the sower and the seed, few chosen come from those that actually believe the truth. Jesus also speaks in another parable quite plainly and says that these false believers (tares) actually go right to the end thinking they are chosen... here is where the false believer is actually revealed at the very actual wedding supper 'with' the elect.
Mat 22:11 "But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment.
v. 12 So he said to him, 'Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?' And he was speechless.
v. 13 Then the king said to the servants, 'Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.'
v. 14 "For many are called, but few are chosen."
So I believe there can be a certain degree of real hope as I do believe the Apostles did have that, but the fruit of the Spirit is what is the surety that one must have. So we certainly have to "watch" our self, but not this world.
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
v. 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.
v. 24 And those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.
v. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
v. 26 Let us not become conceited, provoking one another, envying one another.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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thank you kat, good post. would it be safe to say the apostles stopped short from outright saying they or others were the elect? because thats what i felt like i was reading from your post.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z29olPjFbqg
Ricky, i think this is what you wanted to hear ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) ;D
Love,
Alex 8)
P.S. I love it!
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The 12 people that Jesus chose to be Apostles did not have to guess if they were, they knew, we do not know Jesus is not here doing the same thing, we are going by faith, they went by sight Jesus was there. I don't see where the Apostles have anything to do with the elect. The Apostles could be the Elders for God much higher up than the e!ect. Ricky
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The 12 people that Jesus chose to be Apostles did not have to guess if they were, they knew, we do not know Jesus is not here doing the same thing, we are going by faith, they went by sight Jesus was there. I don't see where the Apostles have anything to do with the elect. The Apostles could be the Elders for God much higher up than the e!ect. Ricky
??? ??? ??? ??? ???
Elders for God?? ???
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Hm mm, Ricky is not the brightest bulb in the box, I had always thought there is going to be 12 Elders sitting with God on His throne at judgement time. These 12 would be the Apostles.
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Hi Alex,
Php 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
v. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!
v. 3 For we ARE the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,
Php 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ:
v. 7 even as it is right for me to be thus minded on behalf of you all, because I have you in my heart, inasmuch as, both in my bonds and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all ARE partakers with me of grace.
Paul sounds very confident here to me... he knew the Spirit was working in him and I'm sure he knew how to discern the fruit of the Spirit in others as well. Do you really think those at Pentecost questioned if they had the Spirit indwelling?
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
v. 7 So that thou art no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.
The thing is the Apostles seem so much higher spiritually than anybody else could be... but I believe all elect will also reach a equal 'spiritual' level as even the Apostles and that can only come from the Spirit working within. That Spirit is a gift of course, we cannot earn it and we certainly do not deserve it, but if it is given to us, then by it there will be fruit of the Spirit. The Spirit in the elect is not idle, it works in and through them to prepare them and do good works.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
v. 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
v. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
So a person that is chosen is going to do good works and through these things they are prepared. And they will grow in knowledge, by much study, meditation and pray... but it's by the Spirit working/growing in them that inspires them. I believe that is the way with all elect, from the Apostles to now, no short cuts. That's why Paul scolded the brethren for not making progress.
Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
v. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
v. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
But not all who start and embrace this truth are chosen elect, remember the parable of the sower and the seed. But I believe it can be a valid hope in us.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Read the parables of Jesus concerning the Kingdom. ALL of them are about the "called and the chosen" in some measure or way. Judge yourself where you are in them, and you can have confidence that you are 'chosen', if you are. It's that simple, but not really 'simple' at all--because first you have to understand them, then you have to 'obey' them (and you can do this, even if you don't know that you are). Do that all the days of your life.
OBEY the Gospel, and you can have confidence. DO the will of God.
http://bible-truths.com/audio/M05%20GospelOfTheKingdom_p1.mp3
http://bible-truths.com/audio/M05%20GospelOfTheKingdom_p2.mp3
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I think we all realize that there have been called out and chosen believers in every generation for at least the past 2000 years since Jesus' ascension. Although as you say we don't have a full definition of who they are.
MLK Jr, Ghandi, John Lenin, George Harrison, Leo Tolstoy, Bob Marley, Malcolm X... Perhaps.
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Hi Alex,
Php 3:1 Finally, my brethren, rejoice in the Lord. For me to write the same things to you is not tedious, but for you it is safe.
v. 2 Beware of dogs, beware of evil workers, beware of the mutilation!
v. 3 For we ARE the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh,
Php 1:6 being confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ:
v. 7 even as it is right for me to be thus minded on behalf of you all, because I have you in my heart, inasmuch as, both in my bonds and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all ARE partakers with me of grace.
Paul sounds very confident here to me... he knew the Spirit was working in him and I'm sure he knew how to discern the fruit of the Spirit in others as well. Do you really think those at Pentecost questioned if they had the Spirit indwelling?
Rom 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Gal 3:26 For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 4:6 And because ye are sons, God sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
v. 7 So that thou art no longer a bondservant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir through God.
The thing is the Apostles seem so much higher spiritually than anybody else could be... but I believe all elect will also reach a equal 'spiritual' level as even the Apostles and that can only come from the Spirit working within. That Spirit is a gift of course, we cannot earn it and we certainly do not deserve it, but if it is given to us, then by it there will be fruit of the Spirit. The Spirit in the elect is not idle, it works in and through them to prepare them and do good works.
2Co 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have an abundance for every good work.
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
v. 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
v. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
So a person that is chosen is going to do good works and through these things they are prepared. And they will grow in knowledge, by much study, meditation and pray... but it's by the Spirit working/growing in them that inspires them. I believe that is the way with all elect, from the Apostles to now, no short cuts. That's why Paul scolded the brethren for not making progress.
Heb 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
v. 13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
v. 14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
But not all who start and embrace this truth are chosen elect, remember the parable of the sower and the seed. But I believe it can be a valid hope in us.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
Hello Kat,
Thank you for the thorough response. I do believe, and have believed, that we are chosen of God. What I am hesitant to say is that I am the elect or that anyone here is the elect. That over there they are. Go see them there! I feel that if we go that far then we fool ourselves into thinking that we have won the race and then we stand to lose our place in it due to complacency or pride. I know God has called me out and chosen me but I won't go so far as to say I am an elect. There is still a great deal of work to be done in this temple of God and still an old man that must die daily. Work in progress... I am confident though that Christ will finish this work that He has began. :)
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Is God choosing His elect now, as we go along day by day in life. Or did He chose His elect before He created life for humans.
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Is God choosing His elect now, as we go along day by day in life. Or did He chose His elect before He created life for humans.
Hi Ricky,
John 15:16 "Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you."
John 13:18, "I do not speak of all of you. I know the ones I have chosen..."
Romans 8:29 "For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren."
30 "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified."
Eph 1:4-6 "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved."
Eph 1: 11 " In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:"
Isaiah 46:10 "Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:"
God has chosen from before the foundatino of the world. He declared the end from the beginning. He has already planned it out who should partake of the election. This is one of those reasons that we are saved by grace through faith and that it is not of our work, it is why none of us may boast, for what have we that we did not receive?
God bless,
Alex
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I do believe, and have believed, that we are chosen of God. What I am hesitant to say is that I am the elect or that anyone here is the elect. That over there they are. Go see them there! I feel that if we go that far then we fool ourselves into thinking that we have won the race and then we stand to lose our place in it due to complacency or pride.
I say again if somebody is chosen, the Spirit indwelling would not let them be prideful, arrogance or complacent at all, but quite the opposite. It really is a very humbling thing to come to grips with who and what God is. Nor is there glory in this life at all, but a dying to self and the prideful, vain, egotistical person in us... something the carnality of the flesh will always struggle with. Yes there is certainly a peace of mind in realizing the truth that God is everything, but His Spirit in us will keep us striving until we are prepared and ready to serve under Christ in the next age.
Luke 13:23 Then one said to Him, "Lord, are there few who are saved?" And He said to them,
v. 24 "Strive to enter through the narrow gate, for many, I say to you, will seek to enter and will not be able.
I really think knowing and serving God is a very different thing than what the world/church think it is. Learning that God deserves all the glory, and we are really nothing of ourselves is totally against the nature of a carnal minded person and their illusion of free will. We can only hope to serve, but learn it is great joy in doing so for a perfect God. God has predetermined who He will have as His elect and will not start a work in them in vain, those He has chosen will not be lost.
John 10:27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.
v. 28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.
v. 29 My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.
It's not even a question of saying/boosting you are an elect or you're not, why make that kind of statement anyway? Just do the best you can and have hope.
mercy, peace and love
Kat
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Another thought.
I am not Paul. I am a member of his 'audience'--especially as a natural gentile. I believe VERY STRONGLY that Paul taught--both in word and by example--the Gospel of the Kingdom of the Heavens--the same Gospel that Jesus and the other Apostles preached, taught, and lived. He KNEW that he was 'teaching' both the called and the chosen. From where do the chosen come? From those CALLED or INVITED. Did Paul know which was which? He knew they were all called or invited, unless their faith was vanity/by pretense. He knew only by their fruits, and never to judge anything before its time.
Is my faith fake? Am I producing fruit? Of what sort is it? Is that a 'sign' of what I am? Is Jesus finished with His work yet?
Things happen in the fullness of time. Jesus came 'in the fullness of time', and there has never been a more prophesied, foreknown, preordained event in the history of the world than His coming to prepare and gather a Kingdom of the Heavens, a Holy nation, a peculiar people by/through which to judge and bless the whole world--both the living and the dead.
Though He has already done the 'choosing', just as He didn't come until He came, or die before He died--though He was with us from the beginning--we won't see election until we see it. Until then, FAITH and HOPE, and judging ourselves, lest we be judged. Few will.
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I think we all realize that there have been called out and chosen believers in every generation for at least the past 2000 years since Jesus' ascension. Although as you say we don't have a full definition of who they are.
MLK Jr, Ghandi, John Lenin, George Harrison, Leo Tolstoy, Bob Marley, Malcolm X... Perhaps.
1Co 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
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Very interesting as well as informing, I notice when she spoke of the left book and the right book I could not help but to think , its all free will stuff.
I see it as a different various form of Christendom, the do’s and the don’ts but none the less its all up to the believer to get saved. And jihad is just a quicker way to heaven.
I guess the thing with there belief that differs from Christendom is they live for the here after with intensity. ???
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Thanks Kat, Dave, and Dennis. I think the last post from you up till now sums it all up! Lots of great post here!
😀 For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he!! 😀
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A religion of peace I’m told.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/20/world/asia/pakistan-asia-bibi/index.html?hpt=wo_c2 :(
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Their boss "Allah" seem more like a Mafia Don in the way he relates to his subjects. Obey and I provide gifts. Cross me and you'll be sorry.
The Lord Jesus is not like that, not at all.
The Lord Jesus makes of his faithful servants, friends and comrades.
Much better arrangement and we don't have to kill anybody who doesn't understand or agree...
Love conquers all
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Could it be that this lady Ayann, was promoting her new book? whilst leading her old religion towards atheism. Although she puts a case for both religions of Islam and Christianity,they were surly seen through a carnal mind.
All who are chosen by God are already going through their fiery trials already, whilst living in the hope of the coming of our saviour Jesus Christ and being in that book of life wether we are dead or still alive, all will have to die of the same carnal mind eventually.
God bless
David.
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Could it be that this lady Ayann, was promoting her new book? whilst leading her old religion towards atheism. Although she puts a case for both religions of Islam and Christianity,they were surly seen through a carnal mind.
All who are chosen by God are already going through their fiery trials already, whilst living in the hope of the coming of our saviour Jesus Christ and being in that book of life wether we are dead or still alive, all will have to die of the same carnal mind eventually.
God bless
David.
Maybe she was promoting her new book but that does not mean anything. She has to live like anyone else except she requires 24 security, which is not cheap.
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Things are going from bad to worse: http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/7/28/pakistan-blasphemykillings.html (http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/7/28/pakistan-blasphemykillings.html)
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All this reminds me of the many inquisitions, when killing the heretic and the infidel was common place.
She no doubt knows what it feels like to go around with a bulls eye on her back.
I wish her well.
Joel
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i have been listening to her this last week, interesting that you post one of her video's .I go with the strong intuition that people are the same nature every where. I slam is just more developed in their insanity.
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i have been listening to her this last week, interesting that you post one of her video's .I go with the strong intuition that people are the same nature every where. I slam is just more developed in their insanity.
I read her book "Nomad" about a year ago and it does show we are all pretty much the same inside. Islam goes against basic instincts and needs.