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Title: To many ifs.
Post by: Richard D on November 11, 2008, 11:07:45 PM
I feel very distraught at the difficulty of the process of being saved. It seems as if God has made it almost unattainable!!!

The process of being saved is one big if with God which frightens me because Iím not perfect and because I have been subjected to vanity by God. I am carnal and sold under sin and not by my choice.

Ií am weak and not perfect but imperfect and being imperfect I can not trust my fallen nature to live up to the standards of God for the ability I find is not in me. As much as I would like to, I can not will myself to do righteousness can I?

I will be saved if I abide in Christ until the end if indeed the spirit of God is in me but now I read this scripture Heb 10: 26-27

Heb 10:26  For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27  but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.

Well this scripture says it all, so there can be no more sacrifice for me if I sin willfully but I am carnal and cannot guarantee I will not sin willfully because I am weak. What happens if I overcome any sin in my life and then commit that sin again? Now I read this scripture, 2 pet 1:9-

2Pe 1:9  For he that lacketh these things is blind, seeing only what is near, having forgotten the cleansing from his old sins.

I donít have free will and Iím right where God wants me to be and I cannot do anything outside of Godís purpose but now I read this scripture 2 Pet 1:10

2Pe 1:10  Wherefore, brethren, give the more diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never stumble:

Now I see itís up to me a sinner sold under sin by being subjected to vanity have to make my own salvation sure and IF I do these things I wonít stumble.

So Jesus die for my sins but if I donít repent of my sins then I am dead in my sins but I am sold under sin. I feel my back is against a rock and a hard place.

Christendom makes heaven easily obtainable with all there lies but I see Godís truth makes heaven barely obtainable with His truths.

I finally realize what Paul meant when he said woe is me. Jesus said for us to count the cost, it seems to me the cost is greater than my sinful nature can pay. Please donít take me wrong, God is good no doubts about that but there are too many ifs to feel secure.  I know God is aware of all these things I feel inwardly because God put them there to begin with. So it all comes down to me like this, either God saves me or I save myself.

But I already know I cannot save myself but I also know I can become saved if I this or if I that but there is always and if as if I have to save myself.

I apologize if I have upset you or in some way hurt your faith as this was not my intention but itís a difficult thing to feel everything is fine between God and me one day and the next day to feel different.

I see myself as a yoyo never really knowing my end, its like do all these things and then see if you made it. I starting to think the odds of winning the state lottery for billions of dollars are in ones favor than becoming saved by God.

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Martinez on November 11, 2008, 11:31:53 PM

Hey Richard!

He has made it unattainable for you!

The only person who can attain it is Christ!

1Co 1:27  But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
1Co 1:28  And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
1Co 1:29  That no flesh should glory in his presence.
1Co 1:30  But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
1Co 1:31  That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Ninny on November 11, 2008, 11:34:50 PM
Richard I see you're having a bad day :'( Don't worry you're not alone! If salvation were impossible to attain then Jesus must have given his life in vain! I don't think so! :o Remember Ray says it's an ongoing process. It's not get saved, screw up, get saved again and on and on! That's a big fat lie! It's you (and all of us) asking forgiveness, screwing up, asking forgiveness, and so on until we are perfected! You know that will take a really long time! Was ANYONE in Scripture good NO not one, not Moses, not Abraham, certainly not David, What about the disciples were they perfect Nooooo! Not by a long shot! So why would God expect you to be perfect ???

It's your willingness to let God drag you around until you're perfect! Obedience is you crawling back to God asking Him to help you to stay out of the sin, if you see something that looks like sin to you RUN!!!  :D
Now you are too important to God and us to start believing a lying devil!  >:( Now get out there and FIGHT!! Oh sorry I got a little carried away! ;)
Now be sweet! ;)
Kathy :)
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Ninny on November 11, 2008, 11:39:40 PM
Oh, Sorry Martin, I'm glad you reminded him (and me) that it's Jesus who does it because we aren't qualified!
I meant that! We can only let God do it and we follow as He drags! :D
  :-[ Kathy
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Martinez on November 11, 2008, 11:43:14 PM

No, I am the one who is sorry!

I should have responded with a little more compassion instead of the robot like rapid fire "this is protocol" type response.

Sorry Richard!
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Ninny on November 11, 2008, 11:51:50 PM
Martin at least you can do that! I have to look up everything I know the verses in my head but not always where they're  located! That's why we are all members of the body we each have a different role to do! I appreciate your "rapid fire" response! ;D
Kathy :)
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Richard D on November 12, 2008, 01:02:41 AM

Your right, Iím having a bad day today and feel like the weight of the whole world is resting on me. Iím getting these mix signals today for what ever reason. I need a day of two to sort this stuff out.



Thank you also, Iím going through these doubts right now and Iím struggling I do appreciate your input and no need to apologize as no offence was taking my brother.

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Kat on November 12, 2008, 01:16:14 AM

Hi Richard,

I think this might help, it is an excerpt  from the transcript 'Who and What is Jesus and Who is the Father?',4472.msg34384.html#msg34384 ---

itís like the old saying; act like it all depends on you and pray like it all depends on God.  Thatís the way you should live your life.  He (Jesus) could not help but pray. 

What appears to be contradictions are not contradictions, when you have a higher spiritual understanding of what itís talking about.  Let me show you a perfect example and it sounds like a contradiction, but itís not.

Phi 2:12  ďTherefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.Ē

Doesnít that contradict this whole thing... weíre saved by grace and not of works?  Now weíre to work out our own salvation?  What is that?  How do you explain that ďOf Myself I can do nothingĒ (John 5:30)?   And He said YOU can do nothing (John 15:5), to the apostles.  Then Paul says ďwork out your own salvation with fear and trembling.Ē  Well it does sound like a contradiction.  But read the next verse and He tells us why.  "For" now that word always means Ďbecause' or itís another word for because.

Phi 2:13  ďFor (because) it is God who works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure.Ē

Some of you probably still donít get the answer, but it is there.  "Work out your own salvation," is not the gist of that saying.  He is not saying, work out your own salvation(.)  No, Heís saying ďwork out your own salvation with fear and trembling, thatís where the emphases is, on fear and trembling, not on work out your own salvation. 

You work out your own salvation with fear and trembling, why?  Because it all depends on God!  If God doesnít do it, it wonít happen, IT WONíT HAPPEN!  So we live in fear and trepidation.

I cannot drive down the street, being the safest driver that I can be and know that I will avoid an accident, if God has already determined Iím going to have one.  What it doesnít mean is you can drive down the road foolishly... or you donít need to wear a seat belt... or close your eyes for a while... or something like that.  But you do have to act it out.  Why?  You have to, He makes you. 

He made you come out of your motherís womb and He made you cry.  Not that He forced you, but circumstances, He brought about all the circumstances.  He made you cry, makes you grow and makes you fight with your kid brother. 

You do all these things and people reach a place where they get tired of it.  So we have plays like ĎStop the world I want to get off.í  It's like Iíve had enough, Iím at the end of my rope and itís the end of the line.  Well itís only the end of the line IF God has determined itís the end of the line. 
If say you came to that conclusion at 8:30, and He knows you wonít die until your 77 1/2, your not going to end it. 

Thatís where the fear and trepidation come in.  It ALL depends on God, thereís nothing you can do.  But YOU have to work it out.  YOU have to get up and go to work.  YOU have to do all this stuff. 

Then you say I donít want to anymore, well circumstances make you.
So you think, Iíll just end it all... then your child comes up and says ĎMommie.í  Now you say, oh my gosh I have a child, I canít kill myself Iíve got to live for my child.  You see? 

So God makes you live this life.  He makes you do all this, HE MAKES YOU DO IT.  But not against your will.  He puts you in circumstances and thatís the only way you can go.  The ONLY way!

You think, 'I shouldnít have done this or that.'  Thatís right you should think that way.  You should think that... 'I shouldnít have done that,' because then you're learning.
When you learn, you will then put that into practice, because God doesnít have you learn things so you canít put them into practice.  He has you learn things so you CAN put them into practice.  But the only way you will learn them, is if you see how stupid it was, and you say if I had it to do over, I wouldnít have done that.  So YOU HAD TO DO THEM!  Because that lead to a lot of trouble and pain and sorrow.  But did you learn your lesson?  'Well yea.'  Then donít do it again okay, now their back on track.

But the whole human race does not comprehend that they do not have free-will.  They have a will based on everything that everything makes them do.  Thatís their 'free' will.

When you think about this you can go crazy, because the whole thing is bizarre.

mercy, peace and love

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Martinez on November 12, 2008, 01:17:49 AM
Martin at least you can do that! I have to look up everything I know the verses in my head but not always where they're  located! That's why we are all members of the body we each have a different role to do! I appreciate your "rapid fire" response! ;D
Kathy :)

Yeah you're so right Ninny, it is a gift, a free gift,

it's called e-sword!

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: eggi on November 12, 2008, 05:21:19 AM
Hi Richard, Great thread everyone. Love you a lot! Richard, I struggled with these concepts some months ago. Thinking about it broke something inside of me. I became fearful, and to a certain point unbelieving as well. It just seemed too hard! The reason I had these thoughts was that I talked to a man who criticized me for not going to any church on Sundays. He told me that Satan had fooled me into believing that everything was OK in my life, that I could just take it easy and 'sleep'. Well, this got me thinking and I started to be a bit unsure to say the least. I knew that nothing was wrong about the church thing, but I couldn't let go of that judging tone (Who do you think you are, you don't go to church?). I felt like... 'This is hopeless'. But after thinking about this for many days, I arrived back to the cornerstone Jesus Christ! Here's the thing: We don't know if we will be the Elect, but we don't know if we will NOT be the Elect. If you knew, you would be puffed up! It's for our own good that we don't know! In my opinion, the fact that you struggle with fighting sin, the fact that you worry about sin shows that you at least are on the right track! Feeling saved just because you go to a church every Sunday morning shows that you are far away from realizing how hard it is to get saved. Richard, thank God that you worry about these things! Be patient and pray. Remember always that GOD IS GOOD! He won't let you down! God bless you, Eirik
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: eggi on November 12, 2008, 05:25:02 AM
And by the way... There are no if's with God. They just seem to be if's to us!  ;D
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Martinez on November 12, 2008, 05:53:12 AM

To right eggi!

We become puffed up enough with the knowledge He gives us, imagine if We knew for sure that We were the elect!
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: hammerandnails on November 12, 2008, 11:52:59 AM
Kat, Amen to that!

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: hammerandnails on November 12, 2008, 12:25:20 PM
My dearest brother, Richard,

I read your post yesterday, and for the life of me, I could not find one word to comfort you by!!

I tossed and turned all night, my heart was heavy for you and Martinez.

Then, in the morning, this thought came to me:

God said through Paul to comfort each other with the same comfort that we are comforted.
So here it is, the comfort that I am comforted by:

When I feel like I must do God's job, when I feel down and have one of these seasons [sometimes days]
where I feel that it my salvation depends on me, and from I stand, it will never be accomplished,
when the cross gets to heavy to bear, when I see my own wretchedness, weakness and dirt,
when I question why, when all these if's come to my mind, when scripture does not connect with Scripture,
when I just DON'T UNDERSTAND, I retreat in the love language.

I pray that you will not laugh at me, but here it is:

I play this song in my CD player.
Here are the lyrics:

                         "Looking back, in retrospect,
                          Funny how I see,
                          The laughs and frowns,
                          The ups and downs,
                          Is part of destiny!!

                          You wish upon a star, and hope,
                          One day that wish come true,
                          BUT I WOLDN'T CHANGE A SINGLE THING
                          FOR THE CHANCE OF LOVING YOU.

                          Born for this, destined for greatness!!
                          I was prepared for this,
                          YOUR STRENGHT FOR MY WEAKNESS,
                         I learned that loving you is easy,
                          And that with love it comes a RISK
                          And in my quest to find the answer,
                          FOUND I WAS BORN FOR THIS!!!!!

                          What we don't KNOW,
                          Time will tell,
                           This I do believe,
                          Life doesn't mean just happiness,
                          There's always room for rain,
                          BUT IF WE LEARN WHAT MATTER MOST
                          SPRING WILL COME AGAIN!!!

                          THERE IS A TIME TO LIVE
                          AND A TIME TO DIE
                          Let's celebrate each moment of our lives,
                          AND IF EVER LOOSE OUR WAY
                          BECAUSE THE HEART IS TORN,
                          NEVER LET A QUESTION WHY,
                          THE REASON WE ARE BORN!!!!!!!

I hope that this touched your heart,
Let go and let GOD!!

I hope that is not at me!!
And if it is so what,
I became as fool, and I am willing even to became a clown,

Your sister that loves you,

PS: Martinez this is for you as well brother!!! ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Samson on November 12, 2008, 12:42:56 PM
Good Morning Richard,

                               Kat covered this quite well mentioning Ray's explanation about
" working out one's Salvation with FEAR AND TREMBLING " and Ariel provided some
comforting words.

                               After reading your Thread, this Scripture was in my thoughts
from reflecting on your initial Post: " When the Disciples heard that, they expressed very
great surprise saying: Who really can be saved. " Looking them in the face, Jesus said to them:

                                      Kind Regards, Samson.
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: aqrinc on November 12, 2008, 12:54:52 PM

Brothers and Sisters,

Thank you All for the great Scriptures, remarks and observations. Richard, you are going through the walk
now as are we. The highs and lows of this tortured path sometimes seem way too much to bear and i want
to quit many times. Especially when i know how to make it in the carnal world so well and my family is hurt
and do not understand. On my own i would never have been here but instead living it up as if this life is all
there is. God in His Mercy and Grace Has Shown me that He Has Already Made my way and He is Taking me
and you and All of humanity to the Place that He is Placing us. Of myself i expect nothing but evil and lust
and carnality.

In God Through Our Lord And Saviour Jesus Christ is my (our) only Hope to get to the Place He has Already
Placed us Before The Worlds Were Formed.

Take heart Brother, turn from the beast, Turn To God, He is in the direction you are currently not looking.

II Samuel 22:3:
The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge,
my saviour; you save me from violence.

Psalms 18:2:
The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler,
and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.

Proverbs 30:5:
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Daniel 3:28:
Then Nebuchadnezzar spoke, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who has sent
his angel, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the king's word, and yielded their bodies,
that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God.

 II Corinthians 1:9:
But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raises the dead:

I Timothy 4:10:
For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men,
specially of those that believe.  

I Timothy 6:17:
Charge them that are rich in this world, that they be not high-minded, nor trust in uncertain riches, but in the living God,
who gives us richly all things to enjoy;  

In Hope and Love,


Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Richard D on November 12, 2008, 10:48:10 PM
Hello my brothers and sisters, Kat, Ariel, Eggi, Samson and George.

I am very thankful for the input each and every one of you has given. Kat, the excerpt from Rayís papers you have put down on this thread was absolutely beautiful with perfect timing also.

Sometimes when I read scripture it appears its saying to me, I have much to do with my salvation which came in the form of ( if )  I do this or if I do that. I know in my heart I cannot live up to the standards that God has place before me. I became overwhelmed knowing I do not possess the ability to adhere to the righteousness of God.

Ariel, Yes I was comforted by the lyrics you wrote down and no sister I assure you I did not laugh but realized how fortunate I am to have a sister like you. Thank you Ariel.

EggI, Thank you for sharing your experience with me you had a few months ago as it helped me with this heavy load of doubt I been going through. Thank you my brother and friend.

Samson, that scripture you have given me Matt. 19:25,26. Was very comforting to read as it really hit home. Thank you my brother and friend for writing down that scripture for me as it helped me to understand salvation depends not on me but on our God.

George, Thank you my brother and friend for writing down the scriptures you did because they were of comfort to me as well, Thank you very much George I want you to know I appreciate much.

I find my walk with God is filled with ups and downs accessing and reassessing, feeling inadequate and victorious with frowns and smiles and growing pains mixed with insecurities and panic as well as feeling the love of God shining through like the morning sun.

One thing I am sure of in this life, there is no ability found in me to live up to the high standards God has place before me. I discovered I am at His mercy fully and completely.
Life is only found in God and no other.

I humble thank you all for being there when my day turned dark as night. God bless you all.  :)

                                                    In His Love. Richard.   
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: aqrinc on November 12, 2008, 11:09:17 PM

No thanks needed; It Is All Of God. What you put on the forum is what we all or at least i also
go through daily. But for The Grace Of God, i would not survive a day on my own, i break every
day and many times feel so lonely it hurts physically. We are in the world, i definitely feel that
i am not of this world; just passing through and suffering and learning.

Just so you know, your posts are always lifting old scars and opening hidden doors that hide
the beast in me. This is a good thing for me so i never get too puffed up for long before i am
convicted again and must repent and turn away. I could say a lot more Brother but i think
you understand whereof i write.

Love Repentance and Faith,

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Richard D on November 13, 2008, 12:23:07 AM
Hi George.

I hear you loud and clear and I do understand what youíre saying and I thank you for your honesty.

I find human nature funny in many ways but what strikes at me the most is the mask we all wear in life, we human being always need to be someone or something we are not. You know George, I found in the beginning with God I had this joy I no not how to describe but after awhile I discovered the self righteousness within me that I never really saw before.

I know God was and still is showing me the mask I wore all my life and itís the stripping off of this mask that is so hurtful because it leaves us bare exposing the self righteousness within us.

Thatís the mask we all wear George, the mask of pride, but deep down inside we know the truth the real truth because God keeps showing us who we really are and itís a hurtful thing to our pride.

Pride loves to stand up and say I can save myself, I can do that or I can do this. The truth of the matter is pride is our worst enemy. The beast within cannot live without this pride, therein is the conflict we all struggle with everyday of our lives and whatís worst is I know as long as I live in this life the beast is not going away.

This is where my insecurities stem from knowing every time I see the beast within me I wonder what God sees in me?

But like the scripture says what is man that thou should me mindful of. It is what it is George and I realize it will be like this unto my body lies lifeless and the breath of God in me returns back to Him.

Who said it was going to be easy anyways? But sometimes I do get down and discourage but never destroyed.  :)

Thank you George for your response. In Godís Love. Richard. 
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: hammerandnails on November 13, 2008, 03:11:14 PM
Dear Richard,
in His eyes, you are beautiful!!! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: eggi on November 13, 2008, 07:13:54 PM
Hi Richard,

I appreciate how you took the time to mention each one of the persons who replied to your post! That's priceless!
God bless you! i hope your doubts are disappearing little by little.

Thank you brother for sharing so open-hearted!

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Fester on November 13, 2008, 07:54:06 PM

Just a closer walk with Thee,
Grant it, Jesus, is my plea,
Daily walking close to Thee,
Let it be, dear Lord, let it be.

I am weak, but Thou art strong;
Jesus, keep me from all wrong;
Iíll be satisfied as long
As I walk, let me walk close to Thee.

Through this world of toil and snares,
If I falter, Lord, who cares?
Who with me my burden shares?
None but Thee, dear Lord, none but Thee.

When my feeble life is oíer,
Time for me will be no more;
Guide me gently, safely oíer
To Thy kingdom shore, to Thy shore.
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Marlene on November 14, 2008, 05:12:27 PM
Hello, All , this post touched me. My computer broke and I have not been online for two days. I have a new one and am so excited to be back with all the people I love. I have had  one of the hardest times of my life. I have lived my a nieghbor of mine for 17 years. She has been very hard to handle for years. Her husband is dead and my husband cut her grass for years and fixed things for her at no cost for 5 years. Then we ran into hard times because I am waiting for my disability. She  would call me all times of the day when whe was not working. Even talk to me while we ate. Get my husband to do crazy thinks like call her dog to come into the house if it would not come in. Never, once did we complain or tell you. It got to where she was getting into all our private business. She would buy us something for our birthdays and christmas and the other day she got mad at me for nothing and asked that everything she bought us be  returned. We would often have her over for meals and he would go the extra mile to help her because she had no husband. If, something seemed good to happen to us she acted jealous. I have many health problems and she is aware of it. She wanted me to take her over to the hospital to have a shot because she was not suppose to drive after it. It was a planned procedure so my husband took his day off to do it . She called and had changed her mind. She was mad. Sometimes since I have been seriously ill my sugars go high for no reason and I have not drove for two years. I was afraid to drive her car or mine. So, I am pretty sure this all started it.  Anyways, my husband took the things over very nicely and told her she would have to find someone for the work she needs. My husband is a hard worker and barely has time for us. We let alot of our work go in our home for her. She even had my 87 year old mother upset and she has heart problems and was not able to sleep well for two days. I had about this on prayer request for advice and Joe  helped me. I am sure there are other post since I have been there, but I know now that she made the decision to take gifts back that the only way to live by her is not to contact each other. All, I want is to live in peace. I actually think that she over step her bounds and a neighbor. We have another neighbor who lives on the other side of us who is widowed and my husband helps her , but she has never overstep her bounds.

I really had great sadness about all of this, but now I have peace because we gave her 17 years of ourselves. We cannot live peaceful and I believe God would rather this , then for her to fight with us. My husband is one of the kidness human beings I have ever known. I am not well and don't need it. I believe god knows our heart and that there is some personalities you can't get along with. She fights with all her Sisters who live away from her. Talks to them terrible.

But, what I want to say is I missed you all dearly for the last two days, and every one of you who posted touched me and helped me see the beauty in people who God is making in his image.

In HIs Love,
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Richard D on November 14, 2008, 06:16:31 PM
Hello Marlene.

Glad to hear you purchase a new computer and have access to the forum again, I was ready to call red cross to see whatís going on and where you beenÖÖ..LOL

Good to hear from you again. I have read your story about your neighbor and it sounds like something right out of a Steven King movie, anyways my advise to you would be simply move on with your life and be sure to check caller ID when your phone rings and place a do not disturb sign for your front door.

In plain English put your neighbor into Godís hands and let the relationship go as to me it does not sound like a mutual relationship anyways but never stop praying for her.

Life is filled with many ifs we call gray areas and some people are like a gentle breeze while others are like a stormy night we wish we could calm but between the contrast of the two we grow like the flowers do when they receive the rain along with the sunshine and in the end we know we will all be in His family.

While we are on this journey God place before us let us take things in strive unto the day we die knowing our ending will far out weight our beginning and God will wipe away all tears and turn our sorrow into joy for evermore.

And when we look back at this craze life we all have experience we will understand why God did it this way and the tears we cried today will make perfect sense when God puts upon our face a smile that shall never fade because death and sin shall be a thing of the past and for this we shall all truly be thankful at last.


                                   In Godís Love. Richard.
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Richard D on November 14, 2008, 06:19:05 PM

Thatís a beautiful poem, thank you for taking the time to post it. How true it is my friend.

                                               In Godís Love. Richard.
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Fester on November 14, 2008, 09:11:21 PM

Thatís a beautiful poem, thank you for taking the time to post it. How true it is my friend.

                                               In Godís Love. Richard.

A beautiful hymn too!

"Just A Closer Walk With Thee" is a very old hymn and the author is unknown.

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Richard D on November 14, 2008, 09:29:06 PM

I was not sure if it was a poem or a hymn but one thing I do know, if Musicman finds out I did not know the difference Iíll be sure to get a big fat F from him. Life is full of surprisesÖÖÖÖÖLOL   ;D

Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Marlene on November 15, 2008, 03:30:59 PM
Hello, That song is beautiful. It is one of my Mothers favorite. When, I was in Babylon churches I often sang solos. I have a song I use to sing called Broken and Spilled out. Now, I just sing for him. I often catch myself sing that one to him when, I go into my closet. After, all I like it because no one aplauds me. But, the glory is all his.

Richard, Thanks for you discussing how my friend has treated me. It was taken of by God. She got mad and asked for any gifts she ever bought me back. So, we gave them to her. I never askedc for anything back I did it because I wanted to. I do Pray for her evernight. I do thanks god that I am at peace now and don't have to cringe every time the phone rangs. Also, she told me I hold grudges. I cannot tell you how many times she liked to fight. I hate fighting and I always forgave her. Times I did not want to,but I know the Lord wanted me too. But, he also wants us to live in peace and if that means to give up something that is hurting us and always fighting its not good. I belive the Lord knows some personalities you can not have peace with in this world of ours. I gave her my heart and love, I did my best. I would pray for her all the time. When, she was ill with a cold I called her and checked on her and also gave up my cough med that I had just bought. This was all recent. If, I held grudges do you think I would have put up with this for 17 years. She wants to control people she is not able to even treat her flesh and blood nice. But, there was times she would seem geninue and then a few weeks after doing something nice throw slams at you. My conscience is clear that I did all I could do to promote peace. I know, that is was only god doing it through me. I believe he thought now was the time to break it off. But, he actually took care of that too. I did not break it off she is mad. It was a very bad situation.  But, I Love her and I pray for her. All, that I can do.

Sometime I will put the words of Broken and Spilled Out on here for all to read. This song was always hard for me to sing because I wanted to cry even when I was in Babylon.  I know that I learned many things there. But , on here I find truths that have set me free. I love you all.

In His Love,
Title: Re: To many ifs.
Post by: Richard D on November 15, 2008, 08:40:21 PM

Iím delighted to hear your issue has come to its end and you finally have peace in your life again. :)

I donít believe you hold grudges Marlene but this I will say, after giving everything she had given you back to her upon her request, you should of charge her storage interest for the space they took up in your homeÖ..LOLÖÖÖÖ.Just kidding.  ;D

I can hardly wait for you to post that song Broken and Spilled Out cause thatís how I feel sometimes too.  :(

God Bless and take care, your friend and brother in the Lord Richard.  ;)