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=> General Discussions => Topic started by: composer on June 27, 2007, 11:06:01 PM
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Hi,
I am new to this forum and thanks for having me here.
From reading a number of posts it appears that believer's here claim that God's greatest adversary / opposer / enemy is a fallen heavenly angel being called 'Satan?'
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I would be interested to see what alleged evidence any have here to demonstrate that their alleged Satan the fallen heavenly angel being is God's greatest adversary. Then I shall provide again the evidence that it 1. Is not. and that 2. Fallen heavenly angel spirit beings, are a Scriptural fallacy.
I am NOT here to preach or destroy but to simply uplift to a greater understanding by pointing out the facts and the Truth and compare them with the claims made here at this forum.
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Hi composer,
It is obvious you have not read much at all of Bible Truths or the posts of this Forum.
I invite you to read this for starters.
His Peace to you,
Joe
The Lucifer Hoax and the Mission of Satan
http://bible-truths.com/lake9.html
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Quite a lengthy article of errors.
I shall address one for now -
The article fails to demonstrate the self contradictions of this alleged Satan being.
To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (1 Cor. 5:5) KJS
So explain please why your alleged anti-christ Satan being is 'saving the spirits' it allegedly wants for itself to turn against Christ only to 'save them and give them to Christ?'
Oh and BTW (By the way) could you also please demonstrate how you equate Lucifer as being the same identity (name) as your alleged Satan?
Remember please that Satan is NOT a legitimate name at all but merely a Hebrew Term meaning ANY adversary / opposer / enemy. Male or Female or Neuter Gender, Good or Bad.
Thanks
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Hello again composer,
Please read the entire article, no one here believes satan was once a perfect being who "fell" but as a being that was created specifically to perform as he does.
If you have an issue with the little bit you have read please get your scriptural witnesses together and e-mail them to Ray, so far you have been heavy on supposition and very light on scripture. Ray has had this challenge in regard to proving his writings wrong, maybe you will be the first to provide the (at least 2) scriptural authority to refute these papers.
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Thanks for that,
It is difficult to compare beliefs without getting into a discussion about them.
Could you please detail how I contact Ray?
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Satan is God!
Many thanks
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Here you are composer,
L.RaySmith@comcast.net
http://bible-truths.com/
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Many thanks for your assistance.
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wow!!!!
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heh.. 'wow' is right.
I do hope he comes back after talking to ray, if ray even feels like dealing with these questions, they are all answered in his article about satan.
Interesting.. well i do hope he comes back =]
Love in Christ,
Alex
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Hi and again thanks for wanting me back.
I appreciate that.
Why must I be shoved off to Ray only?
What I said is true and the Bible supports me and not Ray's teachings.
i.e. I have proved that Satan = God!
Can't any one here actually defend Ray's teachings in an amicable exchange what they claim to be true but I (through the Bible facts) have proved otherwise?
Thanks
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Thanks for the links to Ray.
If he has the courage of his alleged conviction' then he will participate in a discussion with me?
I sent him the following email from the Link here you kindly gave me: -
Hi,
I would like to have an amicable exchange / discussion about your false teachings and misunderstandings and I shall attempt to clear them up for you if you are prepared to listen?
Please contact me at: XXXXXXXX
Robert / Composer (of Music)
Cheers!
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Hi and again thanks for wanting me back.
I appreciate that.
Why must I be shoved off to Ray only?
What I said is true and the Bible supports me and not Ray's teachings.
i.e. I have proved that Satan = God!
Can't any one here actually defend Ray's teachings in an amicable exchange what they claim to be true but I (through the Bible facts) have proved otherwise?
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No, what those scriptures show is that Satan is doing his job exactly as God had created him to do. And Satan was never a fallen angel named Lucifer. Actually, just e-mail Ray your entire presentation. I look foward to your debate with him.
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Composer won't be posting with us any more. He is not an honest individual as you can see by his reply to the membership email.
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Obviously he either 1) can't read or 2) Lied on question #2
Since he can write, I suspect he can read also ;)
Craig
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Oh Craig, that's a shame that "composer" won't be with us any longer. His contributions to this forum will be sorely missed. I wish him luck in all his future endeavors. I wonder if he ever visited Ray's site even once? If he's lucky he will. :)
Matt
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I had a bad feeling, just from reading the title, this was not going to be good.
Hi,
I am new to this forum and thanks for having me here.
From reading a number of posts it appears that believer's here claim that God's greatest adversary / opposer / enemy is a fallen heavenly angel being called 'Satan?'
What? That just confirmed composer had not read much, if any, of the forum. And, was meant to stir up the stuff, if you know what I mean!
Joe also picked up on it right from the start. ;)
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I did not get here before the drivel was deleted. Thank you, God!
I am NOT here to preach or destroy but to simply uplift to a greater understanding by pointing out the facts and the Truth and compare them with the claims made here at this forum.
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I was looking for an "Ignore" button at this point.
A good example of a bogus smile coming in and immediately pulled off the sheep covering to expose the wolf. That's just my opinion.
WE can only pray that God opens this individuals eyes and ears.
I hope the Mods send his comments to Ray before he answers this persons e-mail, if Ray is led by God to answer.
Good job of "nipping it in the bud"!
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hmm.... lol! :D,
I jus new d@ der was sumfing up wit d@ composer :D lol!, aw! well may GOD Open his eyez quick!!!! L).
muchLOVE!! Pera
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Composer didn't like leaving, here is a sample of what we put up with behind the scenes. I believe this is the first time, I've ever given the members a look at what goes on. I normally won't post these because I have no desire to embarrass or put them down. But as Ray would say "Where do they come from?" ::)
Craig
1st Email
I have had a response from your teacher Ray and I look forward to correcting his false claims and misunderstandings further than I have already here.
It is so sad to see deluded followers like you run away from the Truth that currently evades you.
I can forgive you in God's strength!
I shall continue to pray for Ray and his misguided followers.
If ever you have the alleged courage of your convictions and want to have a go at defending them instead of running away scared please contact me any time.
In God's Love
Composer / Robert
2nd email
Your fearful leader has run away like you and can't explain why his 'god' created purposefully your satan being to do evil and then turns around and punishes it for doing as it was created to do?
I don't usually corespond with fools but I apply Prov. 26:4 - 5 KJV when necessary with fools like L. Ray Smith and his associates.
Cheers!
Composer / Robert
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Boy, I wonder what composer's music sounds like.
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It shows ya what the mindset is that he has when he lies to get into the forum and then begins the attack mode.......he was looking to stir the puddin'. It was all carnal not spirit.
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There are some who need to spend more time in the bathroom.
And, less time on the phone.
Please, call back, after you talk to the (our) teacher - "The Holy Spirit."
- jER
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This is the dark souls I was talking about in another post.
Its going to take intense heat to purge this puppy.
Everyone here is Gods desire and this is why we should be as one and not folly our brothers,
As ONE we MUST STAND!
Gods speed.
Randy
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Too bad his posts got deleted; I missed it. :-\
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Gumbo OH Yeah! This is one cajun in New York who would love to find a good hot bowl of Seafood Gumbo. ;D
Thank you Rodger for your kind words. ;D
Your post are also straight forward and leaves no room for misunderstanding.
Together as a family I think we balance out just fine. We all have our parts and stand as one.
Gods speed to you my brother.
Randy
;D 8) ;D
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Randy, I have a confession. I went back and read most of your posts. You and Rodger are two peas in a pod! ;D Same humor. Now if we can get Longhorn back on w/ his wit.....oh my .... talk about a gumbo!!!!
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Hi Gena,
I too miss that funny cowboy! :'( Does anyone know what happened to Longhorn??? Maybe LuLu finally got her man. :D
Lisa
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Hey, let's keep this thread open so maybe the moderators will bring back the composer man. I read everything he wrote and it was quite amusing. He seemed to notice things that Ray made very clear in his papers. Except, his conclusions were so off the wall that I question his seriousness. Can't we have an all new humor section of the forum? The composer man can be the head of that blog. Boy, what tune will he write next? Oh, that composer man. Think about it guys.
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Folks, I think it is obvious that composer is a hardened individual, I feel it is now time to pray for him and for God to step in and at least give him peace if not an understanding of His truths.
Craig
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Boy, I wonder what composer's music sounds like.
Circus music?
No seriously though, Craig's right. It strikes me as sad that this guy, and millions (?) like him are so deluded, misguided, and just don't know the happiness that comes with finding the truth. I feel sorry for him.
Matt
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You could see his intent in the context. I used to know people like that. Just trying to finally be right with something by proving an entire group of people wrong. The problem is, you can't prove SCRIPTURE wrong, ha ha. Imagine what that has to be like for him. Experiencing humility every time you make your opinion known. It makes me sad because I remember having thoughts like that and there's no benefit whatsoever. I hope God makes him learn quickly.