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Title: Ray and the Lake of Fire as another term for Hell
Post by: Paul on June 23, 2008, 02:45:21 PM

Ray lists this as one of the three false assumptions in part 1 of the Lake of Fire series:

This lake of fire and second death are just other terms for HELL.

Now, if by "Hell" he means Gehenna, I don't understand. Isn't Gehenna referring to the Lake of Fire?

Title: Re: Ray and the Lake of Fire as another term for Hell
Post by: eggi on June 23, 2008, 03:56:55 PM

Paul,

Orthodox theologians tend to define the Lake of fire as Hell. I think that's what Ray is pointing out. As a matter of fact, they define just about anything as Hell!  ::)

God bless you,
Eirik

Title: Re: Ray and the Lake of Fire as another term for Hell
Post by: Beloved on June 23, 2008, 04:22:15 PM

Have you read All of Ray's writings?.

He has covered this subject more thourghly than any other writer out there.

I do not understand what you are asking spefically that is not covered in his papers. I do not have the links so I hope Kat or someone out there can refer you to the correct link to his paper that address this.

beloved.

Title: Re: Ray and the Lake of Fire as another term for Hell
Post by: Paul on June 23, 2008, 04:40:09 PM

I was just wondering what he meant by Hell in that sentence. eggi cleared it up.  :)

Title: Re: Ray and the Lake of Fire as another term for Hell
Post by: Kat on June 23, 2008, 04:46:52 PM

Hi Paul,

As Eggi was saying, Ray was talking about Christians believe that the lake of fire and second death mean the same thing as what they believe 'hell' is, eternal torment.
But Ray teaches that there is no place of eternal torment, but all these terms (lake of fire, second death, Gehenna fire, Great White Throne Judgment) mean the same thing - judgment.
Here is an excerpt from Ray's paper no. 16, D4 'Gehenna Fire Judgment.'  

http://bible-truths.com/lake16-D4.htm -----

The Gehenna fire, eonian fire, lake of fire, are all the Judgment of God. These fires are all the same ONE fire that come from the same ONE God, and "Our [One] God is a consuming FIRE" (Heb. 12:29).

And so Gehenna fire has nothing to do with eternal torture, but rather with eonian chastisement and Judgment-for the House of God's elect, now, and for those who obey not the Gospel of God, in the Judgment of Gehenna/lake of fire, later.
----------------------------------------------------------

mercy, peace and love
Kat

Title: Re: Ray and the Lake of Fire as another term for Hell
Post by: Falconn003 on June 24, 2008, 01:51:46 PM

Kat has explained it best , altough Paul if you would but slow down a bit and re-read your own post , there lies your answer.

Quote from: Paul on June 23, 2008, 02:45:21 PM

Ray lists this as one of the three false assumptions in part 1 of the Lake of Fire series:

This lake of fire and second death are just other terms for HELL.

Now, if by "Hell" he means Gehenna, I don't understand. Isn't Gehenna referring to the Lake of Fire?

Peace
Rodger