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=> General Discussions => Topic started by: chav on April 17, 2008, 05:38:35 PM
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Hi
scientists claim that there is no such thing as free will.
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=560149&in_page_id=1965 (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=560149&in_page_id=1965)
Now where have I heard that before ?
Dave
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It's so nice to see science finaly catching up to the scriptures :D
God bless and thanks for sharing!
Alex
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Hi
scientists claim that there is no such thing as free will.
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=560149&in_page_id=1965 (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/technology/technology.html?in_article_id=560149&in_page_id=1965)
Now where have I heard that before ?
Dave
"Let's go to the music man for his unique scriptural anaylasis."
"Music man, as a student of God's holy word, what do you say about the new scientific discovery that man has no free will?"
NO Crap!!!
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It is almost as if.....someone or something else is in charge....could it be that...
Pr. 20:24 Man's steps are ordained by the Lord; how then can man understand his way?
Matt ;D
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But you see, the scientists are wrong! The folks at God TV have nailed this once and for all!
WARNING! CONTAINS "OVER-THE-TOP NONSENSE"
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OmcOgJt5LHc&feature=related (http://youtube.com/watch?v=OmcOgJt5LHc&feature=related)
God bless you,
Eirik
PS. That cool and arrogant tone those folks have makes me sick.
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I know I have no free will. I can't stop sinning! I want to but I can't on my own.
Darren
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Exactly Darren, that alone is proof that we don't have free will!
But try to tell that to the people at God TV...
God bless you,
Eirik
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God TV that's funny. I'm reminded of a person I was on line with, and we were chatting about sin. This person said he never sins. He never sins. I was dumb struck. I told him well he and Jesus was the only 2 perfect people in this world that never sinned or sins. The truth came out, he didn't believe in Jesus or God. The higher than mighty attitude some of these people have is unbelievable to me. I seen where there having a big debate on teaching ONLY evolution in schools. Has anybody notice when they took God out of school everything went down hill. I believe it started in the 60s.
Just a thought Darren
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I seen where there having a big debate on teaching ONLY evolution in schools. Has anybody notice when they took God out of school everything went down hill. I believe it started in the 60s.
Just a thought Darren
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Do you really want the schools teaching Babylon's god to the children? Evolution can be learned, understood and dismissed. It just takes the eyes to see its' flaws.
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Yes musicman: It seems like, let me rephrase that, ever since the political leaders took God out of the schools it all went down hill. I am a firm believer of this. Has anything gotten better since God was taking out of the public school system?? NO! Now the leaders want to take God out of our pledge of legions. Our court rooms. wherever they see God,they want Him out. This is why this once Greatly Bless by God's nation is all but ready for the BIG FALL. It won't be long.
Thanks Darren
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Just a little tiny reminder. The people at God TV also have no free will! ;)
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Yes musicman: It seems like, let me rephrase that, ever since the political leaders took God out of the schools it all went down hill. I am a firm believer of this. Has anything gotten better since God was taking out of the public school system?? NO! Now the leaders want to take God out of our pledge of legions. Our court rooms. wherever they see God,they want Him out. This is why this once Greatly Bless by God's nation is all but ready for the BIG FALL. It won't be long.
Thanks Darren
God was never in the schools. However, god is alive and well there. I have heard plenty of teachers spouting off about their trinity god in front of students and even witnessed a collegue of mine tell a student "hell is hotter". The kid was complaining that it was hot outside. The problem with the schools is funding cuts and teachers and schools aren't aloud to discipline. But God was never there. I don't care about the pledge because I no longer say it.
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intereting thanks!, i find many athiest holding up the idea of ""freewill""
strange.
blessings
chuckt
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Yes musicman: It seems like, let me rephrase that, ever since the political leaders took God out of the schools it all went down hill. I am a firm believer of this. Has anything gotten better since God was taking out of the public school system?? NO! Now the leaders want to take God out of our pledge of legions. Our court rooms. wherever they see God,they want Him out. This is why this once Greatly Bless by God's nation is all but ready for the BIG FALL. It won't be long.
Thanks Darren
Hi Darren, this is not meant to critisize your beliefs or opinions, only to point out a few things. The government is not in control of peoples hearts.
As far as the blessings on this great nation, I suppose it all depends on the perspective of who you are. I'm sure back in the 60's the blacks who had to ride in the back of the bus were sure glad God was in schools showing the great wonderful God of the US of A.
What we really have is a babylonians perspective biasing our thoughts about where God is and who is worshipping him or serving him. Accoring to babylon, I am living in sin and aiding and abeding the dwevil taking souls to hell because I want to go see the Golden Compass movie. According to babylon, I cannot experience God completely unless I enter into their Pagan Temple and pay them money. God must be force fed to the nation in order for God to be active in society.
I play violent video games and watch movies like Saw. They are sure that I am headed to hell and that I have removed God from my life and am displeasing him at every turn. Screw their God.
Now has God really been removed from the schools? Are there no kids that pray in schools? Of course there are, the issue is that christians do not see their pagan rituals being practiced in public, so the idol of their heart was smashed in the public school.
The christians are fighting for their Pagan Idol, thats all.
Please do not take my post personal.
Paul
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Paul!!
Get a hold of yourself. It's screw their god, not their God.
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Paul!!
Get a hold of yourself. It's screw their god, not their God.
I rEPENT!!
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Phazel: It's cool, I understand. I know cutting the schools budget "s been hurting our kids for yrs. Yet It's my belief that God is removing His hand from the USA,and as a nation we're falling hard and fast. God's bless this nation for over 200yrs. It just seems to me When God is taking out of the equation things get much worse. (that"s just my thought)
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~ This is the very first Message board
that I've been on which does not believe in FREE Will.
When I ask the others what their Will is FREE of ? No one has ever answered.
But they want to teach me that we have a FREE Will. Which is not of the Bible.
I tell them yes, we have a will to choose.
But our Will is not FREE of any Choice!
They can't stand me! ~
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~ This is the very first Message board
that I've been on which does not believe in FREE Will.
When I ask the others what their Will is FREE of ? No one has ever answered.
But they want to teach me that we have a FREE Will. Which is not of the Bible.
I tell them yes, we have a will to choose.
But our Will is not FREE of any Choice!
Hi Pandora for me when I found out I actually had no free will I was surprised in one way but in another way my life started making sense.
Even though I know this great truth, there are times I still revert back to my thoughts of freewill for a brief moment.
My first church years ago was a baptist church so it was almost ingrained in me that everyone has freewill.
Now I know we do not.
They can't stand me! ~
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~ This is the very first Message board
that I've been on which does not believe in FREE Will.
When I ask the others what their Will is FREE of ? No one has ever answered.
But they want to teach me that we have a FREE Will. Which is not of the Bible.
I tell them yes, we have a will to choose.
But our Will is not FREE of any Choice!
They can't stand me! ~
Your issue is one of semantics, perhaps it should be called "Freedom of Choice."
Princeton definition of Will: "determine by choice; "This action was willed and intended"
With all due respect, the idea that "we have a will to choose" seems preposterous to me.
We are here for God's good pleasure, our steps are ordained by the Lord, For it is God who wills
"I have known, O Jehovah, that not of man [is] his way, Not of man the going and establishing of his step."
I remember the cloudy days of deception back in Babylon wherein I thought I had a will to choose. I loathe those days and will never go back. Someone once said "the Truth shall set you free." The day I realized I have no will, I felt freedom like never before.
And I praise God that my salvation, my "if by any means I may partake of the earlier resurrection," is not dependent upon any will of mine to choose, but rather by the order of the Lord and his perfect choosing. No matter what happens, I will be IN God, in the end. And there is nothing I can do, or choose to do, to change that.
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Free will and free choice are the very same thing. Neither is free.
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Free will and free choice are the very same thing. Neither is free.
I wonder where the "Free" came from in this popular phrase. Where does the Bible mention FREE will? I've always understood it to simply be "will" or "choice," as though the verb "to choose" and noun "will" are all that need to be debated? And really there is no debate, right? It's a simle gospel, we are not our own. We make not our own choices.
Right? Thoughts?
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Hi vanityandvexation,
We make not our own choices.
Right? Thoughts?
Here are a couple of emails that will help with your question :)
http://forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,4680.0.html ----------
Not having fee will or free choice does not mean that you do not HAVE a will or choices. Of course we have a will and of course we make millions of our own choices, but the fact of the matter is, neither is FREE to think or do anything that is not first CAUSED BY SOMETHING. We "sin" because the pulls and trials, and tests, and temptations of our environment CAUSE our hearts to desire and commit sin, because our "deceitful hearts" (Jer. 17:17) ARE NOT FREE FROM CAUSALITY TO RESIST SIN. The ONLY way to resist sin is by the power of God's Holy Spirit, and if it takes the power of God's Holy Spirit to resist sin, then obviously we do not have a free will which can decide to do in on its own. It is a humbling experience to realize that God Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth is actually, and factually, and literally, more powerful than we are. NO MAN will tell God He doesn't want to repent when God tells him: "NOW is the time for you to repent, and YOU WILL REPENT"!!
Read my series on free will.
God be with you,
Ray
http://www.forums.bible-truths.com/index.php/topic,2697.0.html ---------
Listen: The future has not occurred until it has occured. Or as Yogi once said: "It's not over till it's over." If the future is dependant upon our decisions that are truly "free" and not caused to happen, then the future cannot be known, NOT EVEN BY GOD. But, since God does know all that is in the future, it is proof positive that there is no such thing an effect which did not have a cause. If an event (an effect) that WILL happen is both free to happen and free not to happen, then why DOES IT HAPPEN? If it was "free" to NOT HAPPEN, then why did it HAPPEN. What CAUSED IT TO HAPPEN against its supposed freedom to NOT HAPPEN. How could an effect NOT HAVE BEEN EFFECTED (that's freedom)? The instant an "effect" comes about, it has lost all "freedom" to have NOT come about. Therefore ALL THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED was not "free" to not happen at all. If it were, theoretically, NOTHING IN THE UNIVERSE WOULD HAVE EVER HAD TO HAPPEN. Things are CAUSED to happen and that Cause is what we call "GOD." What I have just stated cannot be argued with any wisdom, logic, or true knowledge. To argue against what I have stated is sheer foolishness. Unfortunately, precious few can see it or understand it even though the Scriptures are very clear on it.
God be with you,
Ray
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Hi! Dave UK
Thank you brother, I have downloaded and taken a copy of that website you quoted. Now I have two loaded cannons to blast those who dare to contradict. Ray's teaching and their god science's wonderful discovery. Pity that professor or whatever didn't believe Ray before discovering how foolish God makes his wisdom look.
God bless and love to Karen.
Love in Christ Jesus.
Roy.
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~ I believe the only way to have a will that is FREE;
is in not having to choose.
Adam & Eve did not have to choose.
Their will was FREE from choice.
Once they choose? Their Will was not FREE from any Choice.
Choosing the tree of the knowledge of good & evil
was not of a FREE Will choice given by God.
Because God Commanded them N0T to eat of that tree.
But of every other tree of the garden they could "FREELY EAT".
Gen.2:16