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=> Testimonies / Prayer Requests / Fellowship => Topic started by: virginiabm on February 20, 2014, 07:39:54 AM
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Hi My family, my son Steven was sentenced yesterday, it was a terrible time for me listening to the Judge. I was praying and begging God to have mercy on my son and for everyone else in there who was in the same position. When I heard that Judge give Steven 15yrs. and 9 months I lost it for a while and so did Steven. Steven called me later that day and told me the guards calmed him down without hurting him and I am so thankful for that.
I just could not believe what I was hearing at first, but the love of God stepped in and put things in prospective for me, because when Steven's time is broke down he will spend a little over 12 yrs. in prison, which it a lot of time I might be dead by the time he gets out, but that is in God's hands too. Steven is glad it is over and he can start getting it behind him. I am ok as long as I know my children are ok.
Steven is already making plans to finish school and learn a trade while he is in there and this makes my life a little easier and happier. Steven said mama I need to be here I would have been dead out on the streets and at least you know where we are at. I thank God for His love and mercy on me and my children and the way He works things out for the best because He loves us. help me pray that Steven gets close to home. Hopefully where Jamie is, because it will be cheaper for us if they are at the same location.
Thank you all for being here for me and my family in our sorrows and troubles, it is great having a family like you all. I love each and everyone of you very much.
May God grant you the desires of your heart and bless you with many blessing in your life, which I know He already has and will continue to do.
You sister in Christ Jesus,
Virginia Miller
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Praying that Steven gets sentenced where Jamie is. You are handling this trial so well my dear. Love to see your faith in our God, who truly is our Father!
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Virginia, my dear. God's perfect will is being worked out in your life and in the lives of your children. I will pray that you continue to stand firm in this truth and that this hope will carry you over to wherever (spiritual place) God wants to take you.
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Praying that Steven gets sentenced where Jamie is. You are handling this trial so well my dear. Love to see your faith in our God, who truly is our Father!
100% agree. Hang in there.
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Virginia, your son Steven will do his time and come out of there a different, responsible and confident man with the skills of a trade he will learn. Praying that he will be where you hope he'll be.
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All is well in Him
God already has Steven in His plan before he was and God knows the beginning from the end and all the stuff in between so always rejoice in Him. I struggle to often do that but are learning more that He is 100% in control of all. The good and the bad are in His hands. Sometimes I find it hard to understand but His word makes it clear that nothing happens without His say.
His plan is perfect
Rhys
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Hi All, thank you all for your love and support through these trails and tribulations that my family and I are going through. I would go crazy if I didn't believe that God is in total control of all this. Sometimes I have a hard time as well trying to understand the why's of it all, but I know it has to be this way for a reason. I Know God has put you all in my life for a reason as well, because just knowing that you all are praying for us lessen the stress on my heart and gives me comfort knowing someone is praying for all of us.
Steven hasn't been placed in a prison yet, but it is getting close. Please continue to pray that he gets close to home. I pray God's will be done and I know God's word says that He will gives us the desires of our hearts. I want Steven to be close, but only if it has the desire affect to help teach him to be a responsible man that I know he can be. Only God can bring that about in His way and In His time. May God bless each and everyone of you my family. I truly Love all of you very much. Virginia Miller
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I have prayed so often for you and your boys. I'm so sorry for this hard news. I believe as you do that God's plan is unfolding and He will comfort those who mourn. Steven sounds like an honorable man and I pray for God's goodness to unfold right in front of him.
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God Bless you octoberose and all my family here for your support and love. Steven was sent to Salters S.C.
yesterday. That is 2 hours away from us. Jamie is 2 hours away the other way. I haven't talked to Steven yet, but he had an inmate to call me and let me know where he's at.
I am doing ok with this at times, but it is taking a little bit to get use to. I know God has a plan and we all are part of it. May God's will be done. Love to all.
Virginia miller
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I have prayed so often for you and your boys. I'm so sorry for this hard news. I believe as you do that God's plan is unfolding and He will comfort those who mourn. Steven sounds like an honorable man and I pray for God's goodness to unfold right in front of him.
You say, "Steven sounds like an honorable man."
Really?
He is a convicted drug dealer and sent to prison. An honorable man? What is a dishonorable man?
The Scriptures condemn stating that good is evil and evil is good.
It is an affront to the Spirit of God to let such a bold face lie go unchallenged.
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I have prayed so often for you and your boys. I'm so sorry for this hard news. I believe as you do that God's plan is unfolding and He will comfort those who mourn. Steven sounds like an honorable man and I pray for God's goodness to unfold right in front of him.
You say, "Steven sounds like an honorable man."
Really?
He is a convicted drug dealer and sent to prison. An honorable man? What is a dishonorable man?
The Scriptures condemn stating that good is evil and evil is good.
It is an affront to the Spirit of God to let such a bold face lie go unchallenged.
We all need to remember that anyone of us is capable of doing anything given certain circumstances. Anything.
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Brother John from Kentucky, I Believe my son is an honorable man, because he knew he did wrong and he never once thought that he should not have been punished for it. None of us wanted him to receive 15 yrs. and 9 months, but he did. I know you think he deserves what he got and that is your right, but he is my son and I love him you don't. I also know God don't uphold evil, neither do I, but he did what he did and he is paying for it. You do not know why he chose the road he did so please don't judge him to harshly.
Your sister in Christ,
Virginia Miller
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Brother John from Kentucky, I Believe my son is an honorable man, because he knew he did wrong and he never once thought that he should not have been punished for it. None of us wanted him to receive 15 yrs. and 9 months, but he did. I know you think he deserves what he got and that is your right, but he is my son and I love him you don't. I also know God don't uphold evil, neither do I, but he did what he did and he is paying for it. You do not know why he chose the road he did so please don't judge him to harshly.
Your sister in Christ,
Virginia Miller
Virginia,
I mean no offense to you as his mother. A mother's love for their offspring is an amazing thing from God.
Anyone who gets between a mother and their offspring, human or animal, is in for a world of hurt.
I am not your son's judge, now or in the age to come.
But I stand by my statements. We cannot bend the truth and hope to be accepted of God. Jesus will save your son as He will all of us.
Peace to you.
John
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I have prayed so often for you and your boys. I'm so sorry for this hard news. I believe as you do that God's plan is unfolding and He will comfort those who mourn. Steven sounds like an honorable man and I pray for God's goodness to unfold right in front of him.
You say, "Steven sounds like an honorable man."
Really?
He is a convicted drug dealer and sent to prison. An honorable man? What is a dishonorable man?
The Scriptures condemn stating that good is evil and evil is good.
It is an affront to the Spirit of God to let such a bold face lie go unchallenged.
We all need to remember that anyone of us is capable of doing anything given certain circumstances. Anything.
Agreed.
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Just an encouragement...2 hours can be just the perfect time...both the trip there to prepare yourself away from the bustle of 'home' (especially true for a homemaker, I'm guessing) and also to 'reflect' and decompress after a visit before you have to reengage with your routine. In my former career, there were times I chose to commute (when possible) for two hours even though I could have stayed in the town where the job was. There may even be something in that distance that keeps you from being too anxious. I certainly hope it will work like that for you.
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I have prayed so often for you and your boys. I'm so sorry for this hard news. I believe as you do that God's plan is unfolding and He will comfort those who mourn. Steven sounds like an honorable man and I pray for God's goodness to unfold right in front of him.
You say, "Steven sounds like an honorable man."
Really?
He is a convicted drug dealer and sent to prison. An honorable man? What is a dishonorable man?
The Scriptures condemn stating that good is evil and evil is good.
It is an affront to the Spirit of God to let such a bold face lie go unchallenged.
We all need to remember that anyone of us is capable of doing anything given certain circumstances. Anything.
Agreed.
Octoberose just might be right, even though I stand with JFK. Octoberose said that "Steven sounds like an honorable man". What makes him "sound" honorable? What his mother has written about him. To SOUND LIKE and BE SOMETHING are two very different things.
Definition of honorable:
Hon´or`a`ble Pronunciation: on´?r`å`b'l
a. 1. Worthy of honor; fit to be esteemed or regarded; estimable; illustrious.
Thy name and honorable family.
- Shak.
2. High-minded; actuated by principles of honor, or a scrupulous regard to probity, rectitude, or reputation.
3. Proceeding from an upright and laudable cause, or directed to a just and proper end; not base; irreproachable; fair; as, an honorable motive.
Is this proceeding just and honorable?
- Shak.
4. Conferring honor, or produced by noble deeds.
Honorable wounds from battle brought.
- Dryden.
5. Worthy of respect; regarded with esteem; to be commended; consistent with honor or rectitude.
Marriage is honorable in all.
- Heb. xiii. 4.
6. Performed or accompanied with marks of honor, or with testimonies of esteem; as, an honorable burial.
7. Of reputable association or use; respectable.
Let her descend: my chambers are honorable.
- Shak.
8. An epithet of respect or distinction; as, the honorable Senate; the honorable gentleman.
Who knows Steven best but his mom? She's the most appropriate person to try to apply the above definition to her son and find out whether it is true of him OR not. What will it be?
As JFK clearly stated, a mother's love is something to contend with. But at the end of the day, a mother must make an honest assessment of her children, and call black 'black' and white 'white'.
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Brother theophilus, I appreciate you defending octoberose. I really felt pain in my heart for her , because of the way Brother JFk made the statement bold face lie, when I don't for one minute believe she was calling what Steven did honorable. I hope when she reads it, she want be to upset by it.
I expect people to talk down about my children for what they did, even thou they are being punished for it, but octoberose did not deserve the harsh words that was said about her statement concerning Steven sounds like an honorable man.
I do not excuse what my sons have done, but I know the reasons behind their evil deeds and so does Almighty God.
Your sister in Christ,
Virginia Miller
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Try hard not to forget the blatantly obvious: Virginia is HERE, and her sons aren't. Save your sermons for when you can speak to them. Maybe your own obedience will be complete when that happens.
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Be strong in the Lord Virginia. What must be must be. Sounds like your sons are dealing well with their sentencing. It appears they understand that justice has been served, and they have received a just punishment for their crimes.
You need to do likewise. You and your sons will be in my prayers. :)
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Theophilus, take the time to actually read the thread. Virginia has answered your 'challenge' several times already. In addition, don't ask her to defend somebody else's words.
Does anybody really believe that except for the grace of God HE or SHE would be in the same boat? I'll go so far as to say that except for the Grace of God, THEIR boat could be far, far worse. Do we all really REALLY understand that everybody is doing the best they can? Literally?
There was a time when I was facing the possibility of prison. The Lord spared me, but I had an attitude while contemplating the possibility that sounds extremely similar to that of Steven. I knew even then that the "heart of the king is in the hand of the Lord". Even the fear of eternal Hell-fire didn't stop me (and couldn't stop me) from sinning, but the Lord gave me just enough wisdom to endure and just enough faith to believe in a good SPIRITUAL outcome, even if the physical outcome was less-than-desirable. And that was BEFORE I believed in the salvation of all.
To be honest, he let me go SO FAR, that until I believed in the Salvation of ALL, I could no longer even believe in the salvation of Dave.
Scripture tells us not to judge things before their time. I'm extremely glad I have been shown the lie of those who judge ME incurable. Who sets the time when Virginia's sons will say with full understanding and joy "Jesus Christ is LORD" to the glory of the Father? The LORD of all sets the time. Until then, JESUS is still Lord. HIS judgments are right, and He did not come to condemn the world, but to save it.
Even this 'salvation' is just a necessary step in creating for Himself Sons and Daughters. HE is not finished with any of us, and I challenge all of us to remember that both when thinking of others and about our own selves. Keeps us humble, ya know?
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Hello, all
I agree with you Dave,before I seat on the judgment seat,or point fingers,or I would never do that mentality,-- this parable ,its principal,
keeps me focused.
Matthew 18:23-34
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant
23 Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25 But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26 The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27 Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
28 But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ 29 So his fellow servant fell down at his feet[a] and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 30 And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32 Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33 Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34 And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
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1 COR 10:12
12 Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall.
Keeps me thankful.
Walt.
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Thank you my Brothers and Sisters for the love and encouragement from your heart and scriptures.
May God Bless and kept you.
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Virginia Miller
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The point I was trying to make was no one (among human beings) is more qualified to give a fair assessment of her sons than Virginia herself. I didn't know I had posed a challenge. Something was lost in translation. My 'what will it be' question was a rhetorical one.
As far as I understand Virginia, she believes correctly in her heart that all she and her sons have been going through is OF GOD. This fact can be gleaned from the beginning of the thread. So, no misunderstanding there.
Definitely this mode of communication has its pitfalls. I've had some misunderstandings with my wife due to the fact that a text message doesn't convey the full meaning of what someone is trying to say. For whatever misunderstood reason, I stand corrected. Peace and love to all.
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I learned the hard way not to judge others anymore. God set things in motion so that I could see for myself that, given the right circumstances, I too would do the same thing as those who were the object of my harsh judgment.
For some of us, yes! our lot could be far worse. Thank God it's not. Some of the worst things I had to endure as a child, I have not put others through. Otherwise, I would be in prison. And this is of God, and I am grateful. To date, I haven't killed another human being though I haven't lacked the desire. By God's grace and mercy, I haven't done so. I hope in God Almighty that I never do!!!
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Wow, I stay off for a few days and all bedlam breaks out! Hilarious.
I knew what I was writing when I wrote it and considered the wording, but some of you have not been paying attention. Stephen is Remorseful, he is sorry, and he's looking out for the welfare of his mother. That is the the start of living honorably.
And you may need to start thinking about remorse for yourself for judging someone's heart when you have no right to do it- and then pouring more grief on his mother who does not deserve your self righteous twaddle.
I need Church you all. A real church. And some of you are kind and wise and self sacrificing and have been a real support to me and each other. And others are just voices on a website.
Anyone want church?
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i love you sweet sister octoberose. you are an amazing woman. may God continue to bless you and your sons with peace, patience, mercy, and grace from His deep, faithful love.
claudia
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Anyone want church?
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Mmmmmmmm..........popcorn.......now I want popcorn for breakfast ???
Rhys
p.s. agree with Claudia's comments too
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I was in and out of jail more then a couple times and used to wonder why I couldn't be like everyone else, having a good life, never in trouble, living right. Then God showed me in his word that there is none righteous,not even one,and none understand and none seek God! ( Romans 3:10-11). In LRays teaching in the lake of fire on the beast and on the scripture 2 Thess 2:3-4 , I believe all will have to see that beast in them selves. I don't see no were in scripture where we are supposed to point are finger at the beast in everyone else. Any how it is God who works in us to do his will and to do his good pleasure( Phil 2:13 ). To God the darkness and light are alike to thee ( psalms 139:12 ). So in saying that I myself would look beyond those prison walls and even further to see those whom we think are un honourable and unrighteous and see them in the Kingdom of God as are Brothers and Sisters in righteousness peace and joy! Blessings