Mathew 24
32 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 33 So you also, when you see all these things, know that [e]it is near—at the doors!34 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
All of Matt 24 is relevant but verse 32 is especially so, if we consider both the curse of the fig tree iin Mark 11:20, 21 when Jesus foretold the tree would never produce fruit again, and when Israel became a legitimate state or nation in our present time. I hope my mention of Israel is not deemed political, because it was the only way to make this connection.
I see modern day Israel as the tree that fulfills prophecy by only producing leaves.
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!I think this could apply to things like abortion too.
Concordant:
Isa 5:20 Woe to those saying for evil, good, and for good, evil, placing darkness for light and light for darkness, placing bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"
This could apply to normalizing homosexuality throughout the world
I've said for years that equal emphasis should be placed on the "hearing" as well as the events..
The fact that this generation can "hear" about these events from anywhere in the world just seconds after they happen makes these prophecies practicable and feasible for the first time ever. IMO
Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
Concordant:
Isa 5:20 Woe to those saying for evil, good, and for good, evil, placing darkness for light and light for darkness, placing bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!"
This could apply to normalizing homosexuality throughout the world
1 Thessalonians 5:1-5 (KJV)I think I see what you are saying.
5 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness
Out of respect for not bringing politics into discussion, all I will say, for the first time in my life these scriptures have great significance in our time. I can see this unfolding, does anyone else? I'm mostly focusing on verse 3.
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.
I looked it up.
The way I see it, if I know the Bible says something and choose to not believe it, and out of the air accept something that totally disagrees with that Truth, is that not calling good evil and evil good?
Joel
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.
I looked it up.
Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’
Normal, acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.... none of those words mean ‘good’.
Can you think of an example of homosexuality being called ‘good’ not ‘normal’ but ‘good’? Or heterosexuality being called ‘evil’?
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.
I looked it up.
Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’
Normal, acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.... none of those words mean ‘good’.
Can you think of an example of homosexuality being called ‘good’ not ‘normal’ but ‘good’? Or heterosexuality being called ‘evil’?
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Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.
I looked it up.
Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’
Normal, acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.... none of those words mean ‘good’.
Can you think of an example of homosexuality being called ‘good’ not ‘normal’ but ‘good’? Or heterosexuality being called ‘evil’?
Semantics. Homosexuality is not normal or good. But there are places in this country where homosexuality is normal. Does that make it good?
I'll bet if you go to the Bay Area and ask the question "is homosexuality acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, and conventional" the answer will be 'yes'. But we know practicing homosexuality is evil. Semantics.
I don’t disagree with you. But that wouldn’t be the question to ask. The question to ask would be “is homosexuality good”What would you call adults making storybooks and costumes about homosexual and transgender relationships, and encouraging them to do the same? Or these "parades"(more like "charades") that they put on?
Semantics is the study of the meaning of words, so yes, it’s semantics. Acceptable, standard, regular... none of those mean “good”.
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.
I looked it up.
Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’
Normal, acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.... none of those words mean ‘good’.
Can you think of an example of homosexuality being called ‘good’ not ‘normal’ but ‘good’? Or heterosexuality being called ‘evil’?
Semantics. Homosexuality is not normal or good. But there are places in this country where homosexuality is normal. Does that make it good?
I'll bet if you go to the Bay Area and ask the question "is homosexuality acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, and conventional" the answer will be 'yes'. But we know practicing homosexuality is evil. Semantics.
I don’t disagree with you. But that wouldn’t be the question to ask. The question to ask would be “is homosexuality good”
Semantics is the study of the meaning of words, so yes, it’s semantics. Acceptable, standard, regular... none of those mean “good”.
Normal, standard, regular... death is all of those things. Death is not ‘good’.
Dennis:
Hurricane Michael, which is getting ready to strike the Florida area, is another example, in my collection, of the correlation between Israel and the "plans" of America, without getting political.
God, like clockwork.
Dean
Dennis:
Hurricane Michael, which is getting ready to strike the Florida area, is another example, in my collection, of the correlation between Israel and the "plans" of America, without getting political.
God, like clockwork.
Dean
Dennis:
Hurricane Michael, which is getting ready to strike the Florida area, is another example, in my collection, of the correlation between Israel and the "plans" of America, without getting political.
God, like clockwork.
Dean
Normalizing something means it has become acceptable, standard, regular, ordinary, typical, common, average, natural, conventional.
I looked it up.
Correct. But Normal doesn’t mean good. The scripture you quoted doesn’t say ‘woe to those who call evil normal, and normal evil’
Tim Cook, the CEO of Apple, the richest company in the world , said
“ I’m proud to be gay, and I consider being gay among the greatest gifts God has given me”.
So yes, he believes it is good .
Zeke:If my response was overly blunt, I apologize. But I don’t believe it required your “I’m holier than thou” insult. I would have much preferred to see an explanation of your viewpoint.
If God were causing you to pay attention to the significance of what is happening all around you, in this nation and the world, you would not be in such ignorance.
But so be it.
Dean
The legalization of same sex marriage did not come about suddenly as some may think, but through years of litigation, resulting in a slow but steady effort to normalize by acceptance. Reminds me of the frog in the simmering pot.
What used to be PG or PB-13 was rated R about 10-15 years ago. That's a pretty rapid Decline , and I can't help but wonder what it will be like in another 10-15 years with things in such rapid descent.Not only that, but people delight in these things. They call it "entertainment." Don't know what is so entertaining about great evils, and encouraging others to do the same.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
And here is another favorite YouTube channel https://youtu.be/bBZMAWwos1Y (https://youtu.be/bBZMAWwos1Y)
It's a live broadcast of an airport near Osaka Japan.
The best times are weekday rush-hours about 8:AM and 5:PM Japanese time which is +14 hours Central US time.
I know we've been flying for many years but it still freaks me out to see these monster aircraft jump into the sky.
Dennis,
Your mention of the airport reminded me of the times I had occasion to be at Philly International. If you stood in the right spot on a clear day you could see a continuous line-up of airplanes in the sky coming in, plane after plane, like a conveyor belt, one behind the other at a set distance, (I really don't know how far...maybe a mile apart?) until some were nothing more than a glimmer in the sun. It was fascinating and even a little unnerving to watch them appear one by one without end. I can only assume that there were an equal number taking off.
Mike
Mat 24:10 And then many will be offended, and will betray one another, and will hate one another.
Offended...... I think this is becoming prevalent on every possible level of the definition.
G4624 Offended skan-dal-id'-zo
To “scandalize”; from G4625; to entrap, that is, trip up (figuratively stumble [transitively] or entice to sin, apostasy or displeasure): - (make to) offend.
G4625 skan'-dal-on
A “scandal”; probably from a derivative of G2578; a trap stick (bent sapling), that is, snare (figuratively cause of displeasure or sin): - occasion to fall (of stumbling), offence, thing that offends, stumbling-block.
It is nearly impossible for anyone to question certain things or publically express any opinion other than that which has been deemed acceptable. Otherwise, someone will be offended. And it matters not whether you hold fast or say you are sorry. Saying you are sorry will not be sufficient. You are to be hated and destroyed. I personally believe this is something that ties in very closely with calling good evil and evil good.
Mike
I don't know if y'all are watching the news out of California, with the fires that are raging. Here is the headline from The Weather Channel's website (weather.com):
"Death Toll Doubles in California's Most Destructive Fire". (next page) "At Least 23 dead in Wildfire That Destroyed Northern California Town and Is Now The Most Destructive Fire in California History". Do you see how this event is now "historical" (keyword)?
Folks...these acts of God are getting very interesting for us Elect, and very serious to The Lord.
Why is this happening? The same reason for Hurricane Michael. I praise God that we are fortunate to be living in this part of His eon.
Dean
Ecc 1:13 I applied my heart to inquiring and exploring by wisdom concerning all that is done under the heavens: it is an experience of evil Elohim has given to the sons of humanity to humble them by it.
(Concordant)
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But God does not do evil. It is offensive to Him. That is why Satan was created. Satan is the direct causal agent and doer of evil acts.
God did not burn those poor people to death in their vehicles in the California fires.
It was Satan who did the evil deeds.
God limits what Satan does or it would have been much worse.
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Are my posts getting missed? I never said that God sins. And Pamela, I agree 100% that God created the adversary for the express purpose of the work that he does. In fact, no adversary, no Christ. it was part of the job of the adversary to reveal Christ.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.
It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975. She was in her 40's when she said: "everyone thinks they are living in the end times." She had just gone thru WWII and they were certain the end was at hand back then.
But part of my motive for starting this topic was to see what everyone else is thinking.
And I know it's been hard for some not to go political. So thank you for that.
Hurricane Michael was really bad but Hurricane Camile in 1969 was much worse. And if you are talking about loss of life then The Great Galveston Storm in 1900 was the worst.
Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.
It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975. She was in her 40's when she said: "everyone thinks they are living in the end times." She had just gone thru WWII and they were certain the end was at hand back then.
But part of my motive for starting this topic was to see what everyone else is thinking.
And I know it's been hard for some not to go political. So thank you for that.
Hurricane Michael was really bad but Hurricane Camile in 1969 was much worse. And if you are talking about loss of life then The Great Galveston Storm in 1900 was the worst.
dennis,
my feeling is also that we are near to Christ's return for many of the reasons given by the scriptures articulated in this thread. the truth is that, since His ascension, those of us that have been placed in Christ have always been near to Christ's return, as close as our last breath.
tony
Hi Dennis,
I think many of us think we are near the end times. Did Ray speak about what to expect in the end times and the time span? Must admit I pray for Christ return but there are many times think it would be much easier to die before having to experience the end times.
Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Friend Tony,
I used to think that I would like to be alive when our Lord returns, in order to see that event with my own eyes.
But the way things are progressing, the end may be something that no one should desire to see.
As an older and perhaps wiser fellow I have changed my thinking and am contented to let God decide the timing according to His love for me.
Indiana bobDan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.
It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975. She was in her 40's when she said: "everyone thinks they are living in the end times." She had just gone thru WWII and they were certain the end was at hand back then.
But part of my motive for starting this topic was to see what everyone else is thinking.
And I know it's been hard for some not to go political. So thank you for that.
Hurricane Michael was really bad but Hurricane Camile in 1969 was much worse. And if you are talking about loss of life then The Great Galveston Storm in 1900 was the worst.
dennis,
my feeling is also that we are near to Christ's return for many of the reasons given by the scriptures articulated in this thread. the truth is that, since His ascension, those of us that have been placed in Christ have always been near to Christ's return, as close as our last breath.
tony
We don't know anything for absolute certainty yet. Maybe, Maybe Not.
It seems evident to me that we are in or very close to the end times but I'm always reminded of what someone told me many years ago when I was in the WWCG and they had that "1975 in prophecy" pamphlet saying the end was going to occur in 1975.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?
Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?
This discussion does touch on preterism
(I'm not one) but 2 questions.
Some argue that world in verses like the Matthew 24 one refer to Roman Civilization. What do you think of that?
Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?
I occurred to me that it does not say this gospel will be preached and understood.
It just says "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."
And it did not say "unto all the world" which is used 2448 times in the KJ - NT and more personal.
For the first 4 or 5 years BT was available in China and we even received emails from Mainland China. Then they cut us and all Christian sites off.
Dennis,
I have a question about preaching "the gospel" in all the world.
Many denominations feel called to send whole bibles or new testaments to other nations, even in their native language, but is that the gospel?
What gospel did Paul preach in Greece or Rome? To non-believers.
Paul didn't have a complete set of scrolls of the Jewish scripture with him on the road as far as I could tell. Also he preached verbally from memory and didn't have to prove anything from writing, although men from Berea did search the scripture to prove to themselves what he had said.
Maybe the "gospel" can be taught a lot more simply than most believe that it can be.
Please comment. Indiana bobStrange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?
I occurred to me that it does not say this gospel will be preached and understood.
It just says "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."
And it did not say "unto all the world" which is used 2448 times in the KJ - NT and more personal.
For the first 4 or 5 years BT was available in China and we even received emails from Mainland China. Then they cut us and all Christian sites off.
Dennis, how about this?
I Cor. 15 Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you.. For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures..
Yeah, I just remembered watching those before.Dennis, how about this?
I Cor. 15 Now I make known to you, brothers, the gospel which I proclaimed to you.. For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, and that he was buried, and that he was raised up on the third day according to the scriptures..
Ray shoots that down at the start of the first video.
Thanks I bob
People who were never acquainted with scripture, you just described me before BT.😂
I am reading LOF 7 and 8.
Here’s something Ray wrote.
As long as people think what Jesus taught was physical, and material and literal little stories
about people , places and things,so that everyone could understand Him ,cannot hear words of spirit with physical ears.
This is Christiandom right through the ages ( the folks who hear scripture every week)according to what I am learning tonight about
the seven churches of Revelation.
Ray,,,, “ The contents of this prophecy started with vision of John 2000 years ago and will
continue until the return of Christ and judgement of the world.”
I’m not finished reading yet , a little more and then bedtime.
What do you think Ibob , what is the gospel. It’s interesting to know what we all think. Maybe
if we put all our brains together , we will get one good one. Hahaha.😂 Goodnight my friend.
I just saw that the word « persecuted » in 2 Timothy 12 in ancient greek is « διώκω (dioko) - Strong 1377 », it is linked to the greek word « διάκονος (diakonos) - Strong 1249 », it means servant, minister, magistrate.
Christ’s holy ambassadors among the world’s persecutions.
When can I apply for the job, please? 😁
Ah yes, I have wonderful news! I heard from the boss your raise is coming soon, so keep working! :DQuoteI just saw that the word « persecuted » in 2 Timothy 12 in ancient greek is « διώκω (dioko) - Strong 1377 », it is linked to the greek word « διάκονος (diakonos) - Strong 1249 », it means servant, minister, magistrate.
Christ’s holy ambassadors among the world’s persecutions.
When can I apply for the job, please? 😁
Hello Michelle, so happy to see you here.👋
As for applying for the job, I think you were already hired. ☺
Ah yes, I have wonderful news! I heard from the boss your raise is coming soon, so keep working! :DQuoteI just saw that the word « persecuted » in 2 Timothy 12 in ancient greek is « διώκω (dioko) - Strong 1377 », it is linked to the greek word « διάκονος (diakonos) - Strong 1249 », it means servant, minister, magistrate.
Christ’s holy ambassadors among the world’s persecutions.
When can I apply for the job, please? 😁
Hello Michelle, so happy to see you here.👋
As for applying for the job, I think you were already hired. ☺
In Galatians 3:8 we are told what the gospel is. That God preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham. Namely, that in you Shall All The Nations Be Blessed. Universal Salvation for everyone. No one will be left out.
In Galatians 3:16, we are told the Promises were made to Abraham and his Seed (singular). Not Isaac. Jesus is the Seed. The gospel is through Jesus everyone will be Blessed and Saved.
Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?
I occurred to me that it does not say this gospel will be preached and understood.
It just says "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."
And it did not say "unto all the world" which is used 2448 times in the KJ - NT and more personal.
For the first 4 or 5 years BT was available in China and we even received emails from Mainland China. Then they cut us and all Christian sites off.
This is what Jesus said to the disciples what exactly will be preached in his name to all nations -
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
And this is what Jesus said when he began to preach -
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Is Mark 13:10 a second witness for Mat 24:14? The word "preached" is translated as "published" in KJV. it simply says "gospel," not gospel of the kingdom or anything, it's just gospel. But it doesn't say "and then the end will come" -
Mark 13:10 And the gospel must first be published among all nations.Strange how no one has mentioned this verse yet:
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Hab 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.
Mat 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Has - "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world" - happened yet? Opinions?
I occurred to me that it does not say this gospel will be preached and understood.
It just says "this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world."
And it did not say "unto all the world" which is used 2448 times in the KJ - NT and more personal.
For the first 4 or 5 years BT was available in China and we even received emails from Mainland China. Then they cut us and all Christian sites off.
I just checked, bible-truths.com is still accessible in mainland China. But it doesn't matter if the site is banned or not. Facebook, google, youtube, twitter and many popular sites are banned in mainland China too, but people in mainland China visit facebook, youtube and other blocked sites all the time through VPN. Actually all public websites are considered accessable in every nation as long as internet is available in that nation. There's always a way access blocked sites. Some youtube videos are blocked in the US too due to copyright, but everyone in the US still can see the blocked videos as long as they know how.
Is it possible for you to post the list of countries that have visited or tried to visit (meaning someone from that country sent a http request) bible-truths.com?
I subscribe to three YouTube channels that originate in Mainland China and that's how they publish, using VPN. And most businesses in China that sell outside of China are allowed to use VPN.
"Chinese citizens still use VPNs, but getting their hands on them can be difficult, and they risk finding themselves on the wrong side of the law for using one. ... After all, using a VPN isn't actually illegal in China. However, that doesn't mean you won't run into any trouble if you have one." Jun 4, 2018 (Google).
But now it occurs to me that "shall be preached in all the world." does not say "in every country." If God said "preached in every nation" or "published in all the world" things would be a lot easier. But 'preached' is more personal and implies person to person or a single person to many people.If you read other translations, it actually says "preached to all the nations." The word "ethnos" (1484) is used in Matthew 24:14, Mark 13:10 and Luke 24:47. But some people argue that "ethnos" could mean a race, not nation. I consider Ray was and still is preaching to the whole world, he's gone but his materials are not.
And this is far-fetched at best, but the entire world is covered by satellite TV signals. I know bootleg satellite systems are a good business in Iran and other counties. So every second there are many Christian channels beaming the Gospel to the entire world without realizing they are quoting bible verses that include the real Gospel.One thing that's different between the internet and TV/radio is that once you publish something on the internet, it's available as a witness 24/7/365. While each TV/radio program only lasts for hours, once it ends you can't watch/listen to them any more unless you record the program. So I consider the only way for the gospel to be preached in the all nations as a witness 24/7/365 is through the internet.
And short-wave radio still has a good number of Christian stations. Short-wave easily covers the world.
It's 3 AM so I'm not at my best but perhaps the Gospel is nothing more than "God loves all of us and all will be saved and welcome in His kingdom?"That's also what I am thinking. The gospel is just the usual stuff that we have already heard -- repentance, forgiveness, universal salvation etc. Even thought it could be simple as that, these are still a mystery to the church people, that's why "mystery of the gospel."
believe the mystery of the Kindgom is the Kingdom itself, The Kingdom of the Heavens.
Who are the Heavens???😁
I subscribe to three YouTube channels that originate in Mainland China and that's how they publish, using VPN. And most businesses in China that sell outside of China are allowed to use VPN.
"Chinese citizens still use VPNs, but getting their hands on them can be difficult, and they risk finding themselves on the wrong side of the law for using one. ... After all, using a VPN isn't actually illegal in China. However, that doesn't mean you won't run into any trouble if you have one." Jun 4, 2018 (Google).
Trust me on this -- no one in China runs into trouble just by using VPN to browser any websites. The ones who run into trouble are the ones who use VPN to create trouble to the gov't. You won't be put in jail as long as you leave the gov't alone. But I will stop here since it will get political.But now it occurs to me that "shall be preached in all the world." does not say "in every country." If God said "preached in every nation" or "published in all the world" things would be a lot easier. But 'preached' is more personal and implies person to person or a single person to many people.If you read other translations, it actually says "preached to all the nations." The word "ethnos" (1484) is used in Matthew 24:14, Mark 13:10 and Luke 24:47. But some people argue that "ethnos" could mean a race, not nation. I consider Ray was and still is preaching to the whole world, he's gone but his materials are not.
1484. ethnos
Strong's Concordance
ethnos: a race, a nation, pl. the nations (as distinct from Isr.)
Original Word: ἔθνος, ους, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: ethnos
Phonetic Spelling: (eth'-nos)
Definition: a race, a nation, the nations (as distinct from Israel)
Usage: a race, people, nation; the nations, heathen world, Gentiles.And this is far-fetched at best, but the entire world is covered by satellite TV signals. I know bootleg satellite systems are a good business in Iran and other counties. So every second there are many Christian channels beaming the Gospel to the entire world without realizing they are quoting bible verses that include the real Gospel.One thing that's different between the internet and TV/radio is that once you publish something on the internet, it's available as a witness 24/7/365. While each TV/radio program only lasts for hours, once it ends you can't watch/listen to them any more unless you record the program. So I consider the only way for the gospel to be preached in the all nations as a witness 24/7/365 is through the internet.
And short-wave radio still has a good number of Christian stations. Short-wave easily covers the world.It's 3 AM so I'm not at my best but perhaps the Gospel is nothing more than "God loves all of us and all will be saved and welcome in His kingdom?"That's also what I am thinking. The gospel is just the usual stuff that we have already heard -- repentance, forgiveness, universal salvation etc. Even thought it could be simple as that, these are still a mystery to the church people, that's why "mystery of the gospel."
In Mark chapter 3, Jesus had to first open the disciples minds before telling them what will be preached to all nations. If it's not something mysterious, why would Jesus need to open their minds first? -
Luke 24:45 Then he opened their minds so they could understand the Scriptures.
Luke 24:46 He told them, "This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,
Luke 24:47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
By looking at every occurrence of the word "mystery" in the NT, it may show what the mystery is about.
Jesus came to me so that I could come to Him thanks to the giant spider web.
I never grew up in a religious crib, never heard about the gospel or the kingdom of God or anything at all related to universal reconciliation until 3 years ago.
God made the circumstances that lead me towards Him. No free will.
God makes the recipient He wants and if there are recipients that won’t hear about the gospel, that’s the will of Our Father, wether people have internet or vpn or not.
« Thy will be done ».
2 Cor. 4:4 gospel of the GLORY of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them.
We shall see Jesus as he is with our own eyes, brothers and sisters! :)
Dennis, I want to thank you for this thread it's been an insperation and a challenge, starting fom the end and back to the beginning.
Before we go too far about preaching the Gospel as a witness to all the world, I just read where a Christian missionary was killed by a bunch of stone age savages with bows and arrows on an island off the coast of India. They have not yet recovered the body for a Christian burial.
So I am thinking about just letting Jesus preach the Gospel to the savages.
However, Dennis if you want to preach them the Gospel, I volunteer to paddle the canoe to take you to them. But I stay in the boat.
Isa 1:7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
...Jesus said that it would be a time of terminating events so bad that they will never be repeated.
Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.I can attest to this.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about
I could truly say a million things that describe such an absolute disgrace about this MOST condemning display of an absence of respect!!! Here is a major Christian figure, and to us the most significant event ever for mankind's salvation and benefit, trivialized and mocked to unbelief.
I see you mentioned some of the verses I listed, but have not seen anyone try to tie the two concepts together, birth of a child and the sudden destruction yet. Or maybe I missed it.QuoteI'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about
It was mentioned in the first couple of pages of the thread.
I see you mentioned some of the verses I listed, but have not seen anyone try to tie the two concepts together, birth of a child and the sudden destruction yet. Or maybe I missed it.
was thinking of this like a pregnancy. Sure, destruction and pain have always existed, but now it is increasing exponentially. The closer you get to the birthing of a child, the more and increasing pain there is.
Hi Wanda,
Seems to me that the end of this age culminates in the destruction of the rule of man to be replaced with the rule of Lord Jesus for God. A transfer of power through removal of evil men and evil spirit and the beginning of a time of peace and fruitfulness.
This is where I believe I have seen these scriptures, Dave. There seems to be a deep meaning revealed? What do you think?
Matthew 24:21-22 Modern English Version (MEV)
21 For then will be great tribulation, such as has not happened since the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
22 Unless those days were shortened, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mark 13:19-20 Modern English Version (MEV)
19 For in those days there will be distress as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, nor ever shall be.
20 “Except the Lord shortened the days, no flesh would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.I can attest to this.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about.
Mar 13:8 because nation will rise up in arms against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes and famines in various places. These things are only the beginning of the birth pains.
1Th 5:3 When people say, "There is peace and security," destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.
Joh 16:21 When a woman is in labor she has pain, because her time has come. Yet when she has given birth to her child, she doesn't remember the agony anymore because of the joy of having brought a human being into the world.
Please forgive the incoming wall of text.This is where I believe I have seen these scriptures, Dave. There seems to be a deep meaning revealed? What do you think?
Matthew 24:21-22 Modern English Version (MEV)
21 For then will be great tribulation, such as has not happened since the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever shall be.
22 Unless those days were shortened, no one would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Mark 13:19-20 Modern English Version (MEV)
19 For in those days there will be distress as has not been from the beginning of the creation which God created to this time, nor ever shall be.
20 “Except the Lord shortened the days, no flesh would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days.
Remembering Christ's words are spirit, I can't help but to think that this is a parable of the "few chosen".
Joh_16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
1Th 3:3 That no man should be moved by these afflictions: for yourselves know that we are appointed thereunto.
1Th 3:4 For verily, when we were with you, we told you before that we should suffer tribulation; even as it came to pass, and ye know.
If I was an Elect, how merciful of Him would it be if He shortened the days of MY "great tribulation"? I believe the tribulation of the Saints is related to judgment, because it teaches Godly character. Judgment through tribulation is training.
Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:Some would say it's always been this bad, and even worse at other times in history, but when God opens your eyes, it's not only to spiritual truth and it becomes impossible to doubt that the decay of morality is at an all time high, as well as declining rapidly. I can see an escalation of decline as a daily norm at this point and conditions in the world are like a run away train with no hope of rescue, but seeing Gods plan at work is the hope of assured rescue.I can attest to this.
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the birth pains Jesus talks about.
Mar 13:8 because nation will rise up in arms against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be earthquakes and famines in various places. These things are only the beginning of the birth pains.
1Th 5:3 When people say, "There is peace and security," destruction will strike them as suddenly as labor pains come to a pregnant woman, and they will not be able to escape.
Joh 16:21 When a woman is in labor she has pain, because her time has come. Yet when she has given birth to her child, she doesn't remember the agony anymore because of the joy of having brought a human being into the world.
There is nothing new under the sun. Disasters and bad behavior have always been with us.
I like this guy's take on natural disasters despite the fact he doesn't understand that ultimately all is of God. I mean, we are where we are because of God right?
Anyhow, here's a link and a couple points that he made which got me thinking. Tell me what you think.
https://www.iflscience.com/environment/are-natural-disasters-rise/ (https://www.iflscience.com/environment/are-natural-disasters-rise/)
Potentially hazardous events do not need to end in a disaster. Disasters occur because of the intersection of hazard with exposed people and assets that are vulnerable to the hazard. They are characterised by a lack of resilience and poor capacity to cope and respond in the affected area. Without vulnerability there can be no disaster.
For me, disasters are a social construct and are about people. I make no apologies for taking such an anthropocentric view.
The big question is does this trend represent a statistical change in the physical occurrence of natural disasters or an increasingly vulnerable global population (or both)?
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Are people really getting worse? Or is there just more people? If torturing someone is one of the worst things you can do, well then that has been around for thousands of years. Sad I know, but true.
I'm pretty sure your Scriptural quotes are parables also. A woman giving birth is often used in Scripture to represent a Church birthing like children.
Rom 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Rom 8:20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
Rom 8:21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
It's always about the "many called" or the "few chosen" and depending on which you are or what you believe, your "mother" will either be the bondmaid or freewoman.
Gal 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
Gal 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
Gal 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Gal 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children (many called) than she which hath an husband (few chosen).
Earthquakes, famines, disasters, nations and kingdoms fighting wars, these things have always been with us in a literal sense, so I'm not so sure that these words of Christ and His Apostles are teaching us about literal things. These "events" have got to be happening in the realm or heaven of my heart and mind.
It feels like a literal war sometimes where everything I was is crumbling and falling apart and I'm just screaming NO, STOP IT LEAVE ME ALONE! I'm such a terrible sinner. Who will save me?
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24 O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
Rev 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
Sorry for going on like this, but spiritually speaking, it's been rough. I don't know ( I really don't) if God is saving me, but if He is then Ray wasn't lying when he said it would be the hardest thing I will ever do. This on top of some of the most disgusting physical ailments I must endure, makes me wish I were dead.
One thing I think about a lot is that if He is not saving me at this time and I find myself in the resurrection to judgment, what could I possibly say? Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. I would have no excuse.
Sorry for the wall of text and going off topic a bit there, but it seemed like what I said was related to "end times prophecies" and what I perceive to be a major upheaval in my life, physically and possibly spiritually. Maybe I'm looking for some confirmation or even a little encouragement, I don't know. My house built on sand in the wilderness is falling greatly and I can't say I like it. Feels like the end times for sure lol.
Hi Wanda,
We have similar understanding.
O. K. but after the great war who will remain alive and mortal to be governed?
Will there be a remnant?
I'm sure that the world's banks will be kaput and their leaders removed,
but if all the means of business and production of food is gone how will people survive?
Inquiring minds would like to know...
Please forgive the incoming wall of text.
Hi Wanda,
We have similar understanding.
O. K. but after the great war who will remain alive and mortal to be governed?
Will there be a remnant?
I'm sure that the world's banks will be kaput and their leaders removed,
but if all the means of business and production of food is gone how will people survive?
Inquiring minds would like to know...
If I'm understanding Isaiah 65:17-25 there will be people alive when and after Jesus returns Bob. I don't see an instant change into perfection as some might, but an ongoing process. I used to wonder why Satan was being confined if no one was alive to temp and deceive.
As for food, how do you feel about manna☺
Seriously, I really haven't ever given that much thought.
1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
This proves those remaining are not instantly changed into perfection. Else Christ would have to reign just for an instant.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239 (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239)
Hi Porter,
You seem to be on to something in part Porter - the days are shortened for the sake of the elect. Is this the meaning suggested here - saying only the elect - that the days are shortened for and not any other none elect persons? You say that this could be "an end to MY TRIBULATION". Interesting view of these texts. Pamela, is right they are awesome scriptures.
John
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239 (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239)
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239 (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239)
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
This verse is spurious and does not belong in the scriptures.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239 (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,6638.msg53239.html#msg53239)
Dennis,
I think we need to reconsider what we call spurious Scriptures.
After all, we do not have the original written writings of any Scriptures.
They are all copies of copies. The oldest copies of the Scriptures are about 300 years after Jesus's death. The present government of the United States has not existed for 300 years.
Therefore, you cannot call any verse spurious, if you cannot compare it against the original monograph.
The verse in Revelation makes sense if you make it a parenthetical statement, which I believe the CLV translators did. The Greek manuscripts we have did not use parentheses or other major punctuation.
Isa 1:7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
I can feel the heat.
I'd suggest that without context and corroboration, you don't know what you're seeing, even if the video is accurate. I find it impossible to believe in this climate that "media" is not reporting things.
Regardless, my main point is that the interpretation of at least some "prophecies" are subjective to experience. Beyond that, understanding has to be lived. It cannot be taught. The "signs of the times" have either happened to someone or they haven't. And that too is prophesied. Each and every one of us is "in there" somewhere.
Isa 1:7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
I can feel the heat.
We might not be on the same thought with this Scripture Dennis, but if not I'm sure you'll correct me.
I'm seeing a connection to the insurmountable problems pertaining to the huge numbers that have migrated to many parts of Europe, and the same is happening in the US and Canada.
I'm sure many are aware of the huge numbers that came into Mexico recently, but not many know that thousands of these people from Central America that are in Mexico, are now being bused in to the US by Homeland Security and Ice enforcement daily. They are being dropped of to points all over the US even though it's not being reported in the media.
It has been reported there are 12,000 more on the way to the Mexican border, expected to arrive this month. If this continues, what we see happening in Europe will become our reality. Coming conditions can and will most likely, get progressively worse as a result.
I cannot think of any single city that qualifies for this:
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
I cannot think of any single city that qualifies for this:In 2019 America still ranks number one as a world power and has the world’s largest economy and biggest military budget,
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
China has been trying to turn itself into a consumer economy but the Chinese people save most of their money or invest in real estate. Relatively little gets imported into China other than raw materials.
First thing that came to mind was all the Christian nations that pay homage to the Church or "Mother Jerusalem which is below" that has children in bondage.
I tend to agree Dave but I'm not convinced yet.
A few interesting YouTube videos on China: https://youtu.be/f5SE47Xjx2Q (https://youtu.be/f5SE47Xjx2Q)
And https://youtu.be/XopSDJq6w8E (https://youtu.be/XopSDJq6w8E)
Concerning those videos on the Chinese housing “boom”: I knew about the ghost cities, but I had no idea exactly why, nor how poorly constructed so many of them are. For the first time in history, ever since we went off the gold standard, every country in the world has their monetary system based on a Keynesian fiat system which is money backed by absolutely nothing tangible—nothing except a printing press and the people’s confidence (regardless of what anyone claims otherwise). It’s interesting that the first recorded incidence of fiat money dates back to China about 3000 years ago. It collapsed. And history has proven, without exception, that all fiat systems eventually seek their true intrinsic value, which is zero. In a bizarre sort of way, it almost seems like the Chinese have figured out how to take that fiat system and apply it beyond the monetary. They’re “printing” worthless housing along with the money—housing that seeks its true value…zero.
I’m not at all certain about where the reference to Babylon truly lies. But… The U. S. dollar is the world’s reserve currency. It’s fiat money, along with trillions of dollars of debt. And I don’t know which one of the dominos is going to be the one at the front of the line… maybe the U.S. or maybe even some small unnoticed domino will set off the whole line. Whatever does it, I do know this: When that first domino falls, it is going to whack the U. S. and all the others will follow. When that system collapses, which it will, the repercussions are going to be massive.
Mike
Who fits this?
Rev 18:11 And the merchants of the earth shall weep and mourn over her; for no man buyeth their merchandise any more:
Rev 18:15 The merchants of these things, which were made rich by her, shall stand afar off for the fear of her torment, weeping and wailing,
Rev 18:17 For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,
IMO the ships delivered merchandise - They were not waiting to load their ships.
China is unloading their US holdings including real-estate and buying gold.
They are purchasing oil from Russia with their currency which is backed by their gold.
Many articles. A quick Google search:
https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/China-Prepares-Death-Blow-To-The-Dollar.html (https://oilprice.com/Geopolitics/International/China-Prepares-Death-Blow-To-The-Dollar.html)
Hi Mike,
You say well - and even though the Chinese fiat yuan will fail as all such currencies do in these times of unrestrained borrowing/easing. China will have their infrastructure, a super AI military, their manufacturing base and their vast reserves of physical gold that will skyrocket in value to cover the size of their economy.
John
But just how close are we? What is our perspective compared to tomorrow’s? Who knows just how much is yet to occur before the true culmination of events?
Anyone know about the world summit at the Vatican for the next four days.
A summit on sex abuse in the church. These vile snakes are discussing how to
protect children and deal with their priests, cardinals. What a pile of stinking dung
they are. No victims or spokespeople for the victims are allowed in to observe .
They are as usual on the outside and they are very angry. God will put a millstone
around the necks of these monsters.I have nine friends and family members who’s lives are full of depression
from sexual abuse. Indeed the whole head is sick.
Anyone know about the world summit at the Vatican for the next four days..
A summit on sex abuse in the church. These vile snakes are discussing how to
protect children and deal with their priests, cardinals. What a pile of stinking dung
they are. No victims or spokespeople for the victims are allowed in to observe .
They are as usual on the outside and they are very angry. God will put a millstone
around the necks of these monsters.I have nine friends and family members who’s lives are full of depression
from sexual abuse. Indeed the whole head is sick
I have just now realized that I’ve actually strayed away from what I originally intended to write. The premise of this is a number of questions. When did the end times begin? It seems that we have been in them since the first day of Pentecost. Every generation has thought itself to be the last. And the reasons have been understandable from the perspective of the people of those times. Wars, disease, persecutions, and even serious climate changes of the past have occurred again and again. I’m not going to list anything because I believe we are all aware of at least the worst of these events. So, here we are… closer than ever to the culmination. But just how close are we? What is our perspective compared to tomorrow’s? Who knows just how much is yet to occur before the true culmination of events?
Mike
The single biggest reason I started this thread:
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
So, here we are… closer than ever to the culmination. But just how close are we? What is our perspective compared to tomorrow’s? Who knows just how much is yet to occur before the true culmination of events?
Mike
Sadly, at least 23 people were killed yesterday in Lee County, Alabama from a massive tornado outbreak. I know why it happened, and it has to do with statements made yesterday by the State Department regarding Israel's ownership of Jerusalem and the "boundaries and borders" of final status "peace talks" between her and her enemies.
I pray every day for God's protection over His Elect from all of these natural events. May He continue to have mercy on us!
Dean
Is God to blame for the suffering of mankind?
On the LOF front page, this is the question in an email to Ray. I believe it
is a must read for this topic.
In Christ, Pamela
Hi John,
Great to have this discussion. Before we can go on much further can you please explain the logic contained here of a Creator that is intelligent having an infinite magnitude of information available to Him and has - "created a being who is pure evil, a crooked serpent, to do the evil actions that God Himself will just not do because evil things are not in His nature." Where did the pure evil originate from that was NOT IN GOD's NATURE (to begin with I take it) that was implicit in the NATURE of Satan. What was the derivation for such pure evil? We know that God knows both good and evil Genesis 3:4-5 Complete Jewish Bible (CJB) The serpent said to the woman, “It is not true that you will surely die; because God knows that on the day you eat from it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.” I am not saying that God is EVIL - God is ultimately INCREDIBLELY GOOD. But God must possess as The Creator all the information on evil as you say Satan is pure evil! This information must of had been utilized in Satan's creation by God to produce the being that Satan became - a liar and a murder as you say in the purest form.
And second to that who was it that flooded the world and rained down fire on Sodom & Gomorrah - was it God or Satan.
Johnny
Hi John,
John says, "I would never ask a question like what was God's logic behind the creation of a being like Satan. I am just dust. How can dust question the logic of God? I am arrogant, but not that arrogant. Sounds like one of those questions a 15 year old would ask. Like, can God create someone greater than Himself? If He cannot, then He cannot do everything. It is a misuse of the rules of language."
You are right I would never question God's logic behind the creation of a being like Satan - that would be insane and grossly disrespectful of our Creator. But that was not the question! The question had to do with trying to graspe the ORIGIN of Satan's evil. I asked this question twice to be plain. Not to question anything thing to do with God's LOGIC. I was questioning any human logic, John and I was not trying to be offencive.
Johnny
This just in fresh off the wire
The rapture is no later than May 14,2019 and they found Lots wife.😂😂😂
Mike,
Something to think about for those who still can. How the world we live in is being transformed by very sophisticated systems of Preemptive Programming leading to ultimate Perception Management and control over humans for the benefit of a very small percentile of mankind. I am not promoting any single source of research - but this is a real process that is evident by just opening your eyes and mind a very little bit. That was a good observation and I agree with it. We function very much like computers (we are electrolyte and plasma based beings) and can be programmed electrically - albeit very advanced. The spiritual realm is aware of this, as you indicated!!
Johnny
Mike,
Something to think about for those who still can. How the world we live in is being transformed by very sophisticated systems of Preemptive Programming leading to ultimate Perception Management and control over humans for the benefit of a very small percentile of mankind. I am not promoting any single source of research - but this is a real process that is evident by just opening your eyes and mind a very little bit. That was a good observation and I agree with it. We function very much like computers (we are electrolyte and plasma based beings) and can be programmed electrically - albeit very advanced. The spiritual realm is aware of this, as you indicated!!
Johnny
And yet -
From eternity to eternity I am God. No one can snatch anyone out of my hand. No one can undo what I have done.” Isaiah 43:13
There are certainly a few of us who can still think and even see, but we put our faith in those powerful words, from the Creator himself. Nothing the world can do can undo what God has declared or separate us from his love.
Isa 1:7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
I saw a news article today about the UK getting ready to let in many more immigrants.
Isa 1:7 Your country is desolate, your cities are burned with fire: your land, strangers devour it in your presence, and it is desolate, as overthrown by strangers.
I saw a news article today about the UK getting ready to let in many more immigrants.
False idols adapt themselves with their generation, but still can't see or talk or eat or feel by themselves Same principles, only technics have changed.
"This is not something that's going to slow down, and some of us might have to flee our countries too, considering we don't die first."
Well, how about the spirit of lawlessness and corruption ? There are places that I won’t name that you cannot even visit without having your tour guide or your hotel being paid off in order to keep you safe . By their own hand they have devolved into a third world nation.
America is disintegrating right before our eyes in part because of lawlessness, immortality , drugs and devaluation of human life . We can barely take care of ourselves ( the streets of L.A. for example ) much less the refugees of the world . And yes, it is hard not to see this as a precursor of the coming of Christ and a world where faith is not found .
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.I've been thinking there is something very significant about these tariffs. I think you're right Dennis. Last night on the news, there was talk of another country placing sanctions on the US. This could turn out to be a great tariff war.
Could this be talking about the tariffs?
Wanda:
Don't know how North America fits into prophecy; if everyone is fleeing from So. America, Europe; where would we flee to ????Quote"This is not something that's going to slow down, and some of us might have to flee our countries too, considering we don't die first."
Prune, Mexico was a strong partner for a long time . It had a good economy and it was a beautiful place to visit . They devolved into lawlessness and that is what you’re seeing now and why people want to leave and why people are killed when they stand up to them .
The US considers a hostile military as a threat , not an economy . We don’t wave a magic wand and make people bend to our will . You think we’re some kind of Svengali and you give us way too much blame for the actions of the world.
Well, how about the spirit of lawlessness and corruption ? There are places that I won’t name that you cannot even visit without having your tour guide or your hotel being paid off in order to keep you safe . By their own hand they have devolved into a third world nation.
America is disintegrating right before our eyes in part because of lawlessness, immortality , drugs and devaluation of human life . We can barely take care of ourselves ( the streets of L.A. for example ) much less the refugees of the world . And yes, it is hard not to see this as a precursor of the coming of Christ and a world where faith is not found .
I grew up in Detroit but it's coming back. Have a look: https://youtu.be/44Z4T_wRVmM (https://youtu.be/44Z4T_wRVmM)
The US considers a hostile military as a threat , not an economy . We don’t wave a magic wand and make people bend to our will . You think we’re some kind of Svengali and you give us way too much blame for the actions of the world .
More on buying and selling:
"Libra is a new currency that is being proposed by Facebook. ... Libra has the potential to become successful because of the backing from the Libra Association, which is made up of large international corporations such as Facebook, Uber and Vodafone." Google
Some are saying Libra may prevent you from buying and selling based on things you've said on social media.
If you want, go here: https://youtu.be/d6GUxl4ZxDU (https://youtu.be/d6GUxl4ZxDU) and move to 11:50 where the discussion begins.
And in 16 pages of a thread started to post Scripture about End-Time prophecies, has anybody posted the one scripture where Jesus tells His disciples what happens before the end comes?
Didn't Ray explain the meaning of "buying and selling" in the LOF series?
Actually, Ray covered who the beast is quite extensively all through out his papers and emails. He may not have always used the term "beast", but he made it quite clear from the Scripture how man loves to sin and give himself the glory for not only his accomplishments, but his failures as well. Truly, man thinks he is a god unto himself.
Dave -
Ray did touch briefly on the subject in his article, Who Is The Beast, but there was much more involved that he didn't cover..
I had a hard time getting thru this. But all is of God. That said where does this fit into prophecy?
Recorded today: https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0 (https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0)
Jude 1:8-13
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
I went back to pages 6;7;8 . Wow that was November ! It’s a very good discussion.
I had a hard time getting thru this. But all is of God. That said where does this fit into prophecy?2Pe 3:3 First, knowing this, that there will come in the last days scoffers walking according to their own lusts
Recorded today: https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0 (https://youtu.be/0t5Q8Eqxyi0)
Rev. 13:17
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the NAME of the wild beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME.
March 2007 The New York Times reported that China's state-run Zhuhai Zhenrong Trading, the biggest buyer of Iranian crude worldwide, began paying for its oil in euros late last year. ... December 2007 Iran stops accepting U.S. dollars for oil.
Iran switches from dollar to euro for official reporting currency.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN1HP25W
The following link is to give more insight and not posted to encourage a political discussion. Doing so will be going against the rules of this forum.
https://www.mintpressnews.com/petrodollar-warfare-the-common-thread-linking-venezuela-and-iran/255123/
Matthew 24:14 (KJV)
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Jesus, makes it clear this was a gospel of the kingdom that would be preached for a witness unto all nations.
“He went journeying from city to city and from village to village, preaching . . . the good news of the kingdom of God.”—LUKE 8:1.
Ray said, "Most people have not heard the gospel".
I didn't post the scripture myself because I was not clear on my own understanding, but felt the gospel might be for the elect. I'm still working it out.
Hmmm,
since the U.S. is presently an oil exporter (?) the price of oil in Euros, may not be as serious a burden as it could be for Europe. Yes it could lead to the U.S. becoming isolationist and affect other trade conditions, but if we are going to have to suffer some degree of pain, then it may be delayed somewhat as the prophesies play out and lead to the U. S. not supporting Israel as we presently are. That could be bad for Israel and lead to them being overrun by other states in the region.
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I am recalling the lead up to WW2 when the U.S. refused to declare war and help Britain for 3 or 4 years until motivated by FDR and finally by Pearl Harbor 12-7-1941.
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Also note that Brexit or Britain leaving the EU may be some type of temporary protection for that little island especially if they continue to support the U.S. dollar and the Pound for oil. (??)
Just speculation of course. Bob
Some countries are buying gold as fast as they can.
Oil no longer pegged to the US dollar is the beginning of the end IMO.
Wanda, I have often thought that the gospel is only for the elect because hearing we understand and seeing we perceive through Gods spirit.....the few and the many principle
But what if this gospel being preached is about us and not just for us.
As Christ is so are we in the world and in eager expectation is the creature waiting for the sons of God to be revealed.
So part of this gospel which Christ preached every Sunday was to introduce us. I'm completely humbled by that thought. Christ is the seed, when you plant a seed it brings forth many seeds once its ready for harvest.
What is the intrinsic value of gold?
What is the intrinsic value of gold?
Eze 7:19 They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be removed: their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD: they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels: because it is the stumblingblock of their iniquity.
One more question...will Mike Maloney be happy when/if there is a total global economic collapse? How about a national or regional one? Will any of you be happy?
And in 16 pages of a thread started to post Scripture about End-Time prophecies, has anybody posted the one scripture where Jesus tells His disciples what happens before the end comes?
Didn't Ray explain the meaning of "buying and selling" in the LOF series?
Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
Mat 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
One more question...will Mike Maloney be happy when/if there is a total global economic collapse? How about a national or regional one? Will any of you be happy?
Perhaps it is something else entirely we should be "watching".
Wanda, I suppose I am a little less convinced that "babylon the great" has fallen in us, from some (not all) of the responses in this thread. And it seems that some have read nothing but the towers paper.
Specifically, Peter wrote:
2Pe 1:19 And we are having the prophetic word more confirmed, which you, doing ideally, are heeding (as to a lamp appearing in a dingy place, till the day should be breaking and the morning star should be rising) in your hearts,
2Pe 1:20 knowing this first, that no prophecy of scripture at all is becoming its own explanation."
Well, are "we knowing this?" Really?
People in every generation believe they are living in the end times. Except now this can come true:
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Even a limited nuclear exchange between countries like India and Pakistan could be enough to kill every human being on the planet (Chernobyl radiation is still circulating the earth).
Good comment Dennis,
I have a question about that scripture that one member mentioned to me.
Does that scripture say or attempt to say that "only the elect will be saved"?
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Or rather does it say that for the elect's sake, "some or a part of humanity will be saved alive by Jesus coming to intervene"?
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I would appreciate some clarification on that point...
Will there be a residue of fleshly humans remaining on the planet to occupy it during Jesus' reign?
Indiana BobPeople in every generation believe they are living in the end times. Except now this can come true:
Mat 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Even a limited nuclear exchange between countries like India and Pakistan could be enough to kill every human being on the planet (Chernobyl radiation is still circulating the earth).
Mat 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
Two terms here interest me: Hearing and diverse places.
Just a few hundred years ago it took months for news to travel a few thousand miles and most of the news from diverse places was never heard.
But now we can hear about anything on the planet in a few seconds. This is directed to this age IMO.
Not to undermine the purpose of this thread, because much of it has been beneficial, but I thought this might also be of benefit, at least to ponder.
Jesus warned His disciples that when the Roman army arrived, those in Judea should flee to the mountains and "let him who is on the housetop not come down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those with nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be." (Matt. 24:17-21).
Try as I have to apply this to a future time, it just does not fit. I think overlooking the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the sheer magnitude of the event, as well as it's great significance to God and the people he was forsaking, is a stumbling block in understanding.
From my own long held beliefs, in associating much of Matt 24 with the end of this age, presented many scriptural conflicts. A turning point for me was reading War of the Jews by Flavius Josephus. Considering I've never been interested in pouring over any history books in my life, I'll take reading that body of work as being God inspired.
IMO the destruction of Jerusalem was such a notable event that the disciples could only think of it happening in connection with the second coming of Christ. That destruction would be like the end of the world to these people, and rightfully so. Reading about it , I'm convinced it was by far the worst event regarding any war man has engaged in. An atomic bomb would be more merciful.
A few additional thoughts, and I'll go back to my corner.
Josephus said, if those days had not been shortened there would not have been a Jew left alive, sound familiar? Everytime I see Matt 24:22 posted I wonder how can it apply to both the destruction of Jerusalem and end times. I can't find any scriptural duality.
Considering the deciples didn't fully comprehend Jesus impending death or his resurrection at this point in time, makes me question how much importance Jesus placed on explaining his second coming to them at that time. They would have been far more interested in the coming destruction of Jerusalem, that would occur in their generation. A generation that would be alive to see these things come to pass. Is this perhaps another sign, meant for the generation Jesus was speaking to at that time, but out of confusion we're applying it to a future generation? Just something to consider.
It's only natural to identify with our specific time in history, just as the people of past generations would have done.
Wanda, it would be nice if you are correct in the assumption that Matthew 24 was only limited to the destruction of Jerusalem, but I have my doubts.
Going back to the same verses, were there earthquakes in diverse places when the Temple was destroyed in 70 A.D.?
Had the gospel been preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations?
Did they see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory?
Were all the elect gathered from the four winds of heaven at the great sound of a trumpet?
Had many already come in his name saying He was the Christ, and had deceived many?
Are we assuming that the end of this eon is going to be a peaceful one rather than a tumultuous one?
For me, there are too many verses listed in that chapter that have a later literal fulfillment application, in addition to what has happened in 70 A.D.
From the Rapture paper. I'd urge everybody to read it, long as it is. It is much more than a refutation of an theory:
Dennis,
I was also thinking there is a lot of speculation about moving away from cash all together. I read recently there slowly doing away with atm machines. The purpose is to move everyone to cards for all buying activity. If that's true, wouldn't a bank card have a chip and numbers?
About 8% of the dollars in the world are physical cash. The rest is just numbers floating through the air from computer screen to computer screen.
Its already a cashless society. The 8% is just to uphold the illusion thats its not.. and for nostalgia. Imho.
About 8% of the dollars in the world are physical cash. The rest is just numbers floating through the air from computer screen to computer screen.
It’s already a cashless society. The 8% is just to uphold the illusion that’s it’s not.. and for nostalgia. Imho.
Then, in theory, 92% of the world's money could be wiped out "overnight" by a single catastrophic event.
Mike
Interesting story about gold derivatives and so forth, but over my head.
Question: is it presently legal for citizens to own and hold privately gold bullion or coins or either one?
If we have real gold buried in the back yard we have some semblance of protection from abject poverty.
Provided... we can actually spend it for food and shelter and that depends upon whether any one will accept it.
Provided also that the government doesn't find out and confiscate the metal...by court order.
Of course our U. S. government officials would never do that to a loyal citizen. Right?
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Interesting story about gold derivatives and so forth, but over my head.
Question: is it presently legal for citizens to own and hold privately gold bullion or coins or either one?
If we have real gold buried in the back yard we have some semblance of protection from abject poverty.
Provided... we can actually spend it for food and shelter and that depends upon whether any one will accept it.
Provided also that the government doesn't find out and confiscate the metal...by court order.
Of course our U. S. government officials would never do that to a loyal citizen. Right?
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It is legal to own gold in any form in the US and the US government confiscating the gold is a real possibility. Those who think this is more than a possibility buy gold jewelry and coins which have historically not been confiscated.
The biggest reason to own physical gold or silver is to maintain the same purchasing power if there is serious inflation.
Bank Run: Deutsche Bank Clients Are Pulling $1 Billion A Day.
https://www.sgtreport.com/2019/07/bank-run-deutsche-bank-clients-are-pulling-1-billion-a-day/
From RT - Richard Wolff - We're Absolutely In A Recession
Like that's a surprise.
https://youtu.be/tEcCM0uBlsA
From RT - Richard Wolff - We're Absolutely In A Recession
Like that's a surprise.
https://youtu.be/tEcCM0uBlsA
From RT - Richard Wolff - We're Absolutely In A Recession
Like that's a surprise.
https://youtu.be/tEcCM0uBlsA
Hi Wanda,
Just a short comment. Professor Richard Wolfe is a Marxist who desires to reexamine Socialism and try it again with different leadership. What does the Bible teach about that type of economy?
Inquiring minds want to know.
Bob
Hi Bob:
His religious beliefs or lack thereof have nothing to do with this particular issue, or the other examples previously given. The one thing that matters to God is their intended or actual actions. That's it.
Keep watching!
God is going to send a strong message to a certain man in a white house and whose property is going to be heavily impacted by this monster.
Zechariah 14:16-19
Did it happen when Jesus walked the Earth (the 1st time)? How about when Jesus walks the Earth a 2nd time? Ahhhhhhhhh . And which city is mentioned in those verses? Of course, that physical land has little importance, right?
"So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors" (Matthew 24:33).
"So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors" (Mark 13:29).
I have plenty of Scripture to back up all of my previous postings on this thread, which I have done... in my previous postings on this thread.
Truth is not always easy to handle, is it?