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Revelation 3:3 says if we DO NOT watch THEN Jesus comes as a thief. I'm reading we will know the hour IF we watch. And I think I see things that could greatly escalate?
How much of Matthew 24 do you see that's here now, if any?
I know it's difficult but no politics yet please.
Revelation 3:3
(RSVA) Remember then what you received and heard; keep that, and repent. If you will not awake, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come upon you.
(CLV) Remember, then, how you have obtained, and hear; keep it and repent. If ever, then, you should not be watching, I shall be arriving on you as a thief, and under no circumstances will you be knowing what hour I shall be arriving on you.
(ESV) Remember, then, what you received and heard. Keep it, and repent. If you will not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come against you.
(KJV) Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
(NRSV) Remember then what you received and heard; obey it, and repent. If you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come to you.
(Rotherham) Remember, therefore, how thou hast received, and didst hear, and keep it and repent. If then thou shall not watch, I will have come as a thief, and in nowise shalt thou get to know, during what sort of hour, I will have come upon thee.
(RSV) Remember then what you received and heard; keep that, and repent. If you will not awake, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what hour I will come upon you.
(RV) Remember therefore how thou hast received and didst hear; and keep it, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
(YLT) 'Remember, then, how thou hast received, and heard, and be keeping, and reform: if, then, thou mayest not watch, I will come upon thee as a thief, and thou mayest not know what hour I will come upon thee.
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I have had an strange feeling for a while now with current events with covid that will only lead people further away from the truth. Whatever you believe about vaccines we are being sold a lie to take this and your freedoms will return but that is playing God and He is the one that will give freedom.
From Matthew 24
39 and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.
I can see this verse becoming more true. I think people are getting more deceived and unaware of what is going on around them. Seems to be a lot of fear out there with people wondering what is the right thing to do but they are often looking to make the world a better place.
They seem to grow in knowledge but
Proverbs 1:7 ESV
The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.
Isaiah 45:20 ESV
“Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, you survivors of the nations! They have no knowledge who carry about their wooden idols, and keep on praying to a god that cannot save.
Rhys
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There's a double witness to "you will know when it is near, even at the door" (Matthew 24:33 and Mark 13:29).
I have heard it explained like this... we may not know the exact day or hour (in keeping with what Jesus said in the Gospels), but when we get closer and closer to the time of His return, what's to say that we will not know which year and possibly the month of His return, seeing as we will know when it's right "at the door"?
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Nation will rise against nation. A nation being a ‘people’ family or any group.
Everyone is split now. Everyone.
Before Covid, I always had an easy time not choosing a side in almost any mainstream issue. I’m a big fan of minding my own business and not judging “the servant of another” because “to his own master will he rise or fall.” (Romans 14:4). I’ve always kept in the back of my mind to “make it my ambition to lead a quiet life, work with my hands and mind my business.” (1 Thess 4:11)
But Covid has made that impossible because I’m put on a side like it or not. We’re all put on a side. If I say I’m not choosing a side we’ll that right there puts me on the side of the “silence is violence”. No matter which side you choose or which side is chosen for you, you are hated by the other side. Family members and lifelong friends are ending relationships with each other. And not just ending relationships but enthusiastically hating each other with a self righteous and moral zeal. And if hating your neighbor and brother makes you guilty of murder as Christ said, than what I see is family and friends and everyone killing each other. Spiritually speaking. Living in the California Bay Area where the politics of it all are front and center and in your face all day, It’s all very heavy for me and I do feel exhausted with it all as I’m sure some of you do too.
Before when I would read Matt 24 I would think that “nation rising against nation” would mean war between countries. But like it has been said on here. You won’t recognize prophecy fulfilled until after it happens. Between the politics that we don’t need to mention and Covid I saw and see nation rise against nation, and everyone hating everyone with no one escaping it.
People are hating/killing each other all around us yet they continue to live and walk among us.. like a spiritual zombie apocalypse. Interesting that zombie apocalypse has been shoved in our face through movies, tv and pop culture for the last decade eh?
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Dennis you said that you see things that could greatly escalate, what are you seeing?
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Dennis you said that you see things that could greatly escalate, what are you seeing?
I'd like to wait and see what others say first. But things could settle down in time and get back to normal, more or less.
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The earth is the same as in Gen. 6:
5. Then Yahweh saw that great, was the wickedness of man in the earth, and that, every purpose of the devices of his heart, was only wicked all the day
It took a mere 15 years to bring about the legalization of homosexual marriage, and not by way of the popular vote. Subsequently it took even less time for people to accept it. The same is now happening with a concerted effort to make transgenderism an accepted norm in our societies. Practices that were once considered morally depraved and unacceptable are now being normalized. Even though there are people who disagree they are still accepting this kind of moral decay, even many of the churches.
(Rotherham) Roman's 1
26 For this cause, God gave them up unto dishonourable passions; for, even their females, exchanged away the natural use into that which is against nature,
27 In like manner also, even the males, leaving the natural use of the female, flamed out in their eager desire one for another, males with males, the indecency, effecting, - and, the necessary recompence of their error, within themselves, duly receiving;
32 Who, indeed, having acknowledged the righteous sentence of God, - that, they who such things as these do practise, are worthy of death, not only, the same things, are doing, but are even delighting together with them who are practising them .
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Matthew 24 ; 10 And then many shall be offended and betray one another
11 then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many
12 and because of lawlessness will abound the love of many will grow cold
So much of this is happening now people are so against each other even over the smallest things
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Matthew 24 ; 10 And then many shall be offended and betray one another
11 then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many
12 and because of lawlessness will abound the love of many will grow cold
So much of this is happening now people are so against each other even over the smallest things
I thought about that too Wendy.. being offended.
Being offended has become addicting and contagious (like a virus). It’s everywhere.
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Those verses Wendy are one of the keys to my understanding that the time is short. God started the story of humanity with a man and a woman. He created them for each other. He made their relationship the bedrock of their human relationships. He didn’t create them to be Trans or pan or anything else. It was a man and a woman meant for each other, and only for each other. And now look what’s happened. This is a society that calls evil , good and good, evil. It’s going to get worse, I fear, before He comes .
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I took a survey on behalf of indeed.com, the employment website.
Part of the survey involved watching commercials which indeed.com had filmed to promote themselves.
One commercial showed a trans man being interviewed by a trans woman, and the man saying he wanted to be called "they", instead of him or her.
I watched in shock, mouth open. I couldn't believe what I had just witnessed in a commercial.
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come". INDEED, pun intended. Read 2 Timothy chapter 3! That garbage is here now......
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This may not be Matthew 24 but I have seen a huge increase of deadly floods around the world this year. Europe really got hammered just weeks ago. Russia seems to have many more than usual. And Asia, especially China, have been hit very hard. This is hard to watch. Fair warning: https://youtu.be/-6VJ_6FBaw4 (https://youtu.be/-6VJ_6FBaw4)
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I am reminded as well (and as Ray taught us) that most if not all of Revelation is symbolic.
I.E. Rev1:1
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
sēmainō
Thayer Definition:
1) to give a sign, to signify, indicate
2) to make known
IIRC Ray also said that like most Christians for most of his life he thought that Revelations was end time prophesy but in later years he no longer believed that as Revelation is to reveal Jesus Christ in us and to us. This goes back to the Lake of Fire series;
Revelation is a book of symbols. http://bible-truths.com/lake1.html
All that being said we can discern the days and times. A movement towards an attempted one world government, totalitarian rule and in general reduced liberties and freedoms. We can see the crumbling of our economic and financial system in the U.S. but the world as a whole and Ray's paper on 911 and the aftermath if the nation failed to repent is almost prophetic;
/snip
In the day of the great slaughter
https://bible-truths.com/towers.htm
WHEN IS THE END OF THIS WORLD?
Over the years I have been asked many times whether or not I thought the end of this world was near and the coming of our Lord was at hand? This question is usually asked with reference to some recent happening in the world, such as a war or rumor of wars, bad weather, famine, a new potential disease epidemic, some huge earthquake, volcano, hurricane, or a tsunami. These events are general, and have been with us for thousands of years. So my answer was always pretty much the same: "No, I do not believe that the end of the world is near, but certainly "...now our salvation is nearer than when we believed" (Rom.13:11). But that all changed on "September 11, 2001." This to me was not a "general" catastrophic happening as has been witnessed time and again, but this was a very specific catastrophe unlike anything before it.
/snip
We are living in a time of lies and deceit in every realm and there are rough waters ahead. I have been and continue to prepare for what lies ahead and most of all listen to that still, small voice in order not to be lead astray by the myriad of voices most who are trying to bamboozle us.
That being said very little of this should take us by surprise if we've been alert and listening and have been given eyes to see where this is all headed. I tell myself this sometimes several times a day as I witness this mess we are in.
If there was a better way to do it, God would do it that way.
It is enough.
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are even delighting together with them who are practising them[
So many people today just accept the things that are happening around them and I've been guilty in the past of bragging that I had a gay friend, as though it meant instant inclusion??? How silly it all seems now! I've had to repent, but for the grace of God.
As to the end times, it's in the air we breath, similar to smelling a rain storm coming just before it pours down.
Heidi
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" for the light makes everything visible. This is why it is said, “Awake, O sleeper, rise up from the dead, and Christ will give you light.” " - Ephesians 5:14
Christ is the light, or truth, within us.. giving us the eyes to see/perceive the world for what it is. Calling us from among the dead; the sleepers.
Sadly, many in the world are still asleep. I look around me and think of my family and friends that i've tried to talk to. Trying to no avail to get them to wake up about how deceived we are. Not just in the church, but literally almost everything we've been taught has been a lie.
I see things getting worse and worse, especially here in America, in the coming months/years. Hopefully more people will begin to wake up.
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Matt 24:44 For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect.
Matt 25:10 But while they were on their way to buy it, the bridegroom arrived. Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
What does it mean to be ready? Does it imply to have an awareness?
Shawn, you posted that the light makes everything visible. Christ is that light, the light that Saul/Paul was blinded with, He will reveal it to us.
The dead are amongst us, Christ says, let the dead bury the dead. We have been re-birthed by God's Spirit in us and we are His workmanship created in Christ Jesus.
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This may not be Matthew 24 but I have seen a huge increase of deadly floods around the world this year. Europe really got hammered just weeks ago. Russia seems to have many more than usual. And Asia, especially China, have been hit very hard. This is hard to watch. Fair warning: https://youtu.be/-6VJ_6FBaw4 (https://youtu.be/-6VJ_6FBaw4)
The floods in China are never 100% natural disasters. But yeah, I was thinking the same when seeing the floods all over the world, feel like there's a sudden increase recently.
https://www.youtube.com/c/KinderNet/videos
NASA predicts record flooding in the mid-2030s -
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/study-projects-a-surge-in-coastal-flooding-starting-in-2030s
I also heard that Florida will be completely under water in 30 years.
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Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places (5117. topos).
Mat 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
topos: a place
Original Word: τόπος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: topos
Phonetic Spelling: (top'-os)
Definition: a place
Usage: a place, region, seat; an opportunity.
When the disasters happen in several places, it's the beginning of sorrows.
But the pandemic is no longer happening in several places, it's happening ALL over the world now.
So I take it that the "beginning stage" has passed, it is not the beginning of the sorrows any more, it could be the middle or even closer to the end of sorrows now.
The big vaccine push is getting ridiculous, the more they push it, the more I feel like things are greatly escalating.
Look how ridiculous it is in France:
https://twitter.com/SikhForTruth/status/1418598762377777153
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This may not be Matthew 24 but I have seen a huge increase of deadly floods around the world this year. Europe really got hammered just weeks ago. Russia seems to have many more than usual. And Asia, especially China, have been hit very hard. This is hard to watch. Fair warning: https://youtu.be/-6VJ_6FBaw4 (https://youtu.be/-6VJ_6FBaw4)
The floods in China are never 100% natural disasters. But yeah, I was thinking the same when seeing the floods all over the world, feel like there's a sudden increase recently.
https://www.youtube.com/c/KinderNet/videos
NASA predicts record flooding in the mid-2030s -
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/study-projects-a-surge-in-coastal-flooding-starting-in-2030s
I also heard that Florida will be completely under water in 30 years.
I wouldn't get too excited about what NASA says, they've been historically wrong in predicting distant weather events.
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This may not be Matthew 24 but I have seen a huge increase of deadly floods around the world this year. Europe really got hammered just weeks ago. Russia seems to have many more than usual. And Asia, especially China, have been hit very hard. This is hard to watch. Fair warning: https://youtu.be/-6VJ_6FBaw4 (https://youtu.be/-6VJ_6FBaw4)
Hi Dennis and folks,
Just wondering, could the building of a third temple in Jerusalem be one sign that we can expect and if it does occur can we presume that it is a true indication of progression of events leading to Jesus' return?
I know that the Muslims would strongly resist construction on the temple mount, but there is disagreement about whether that needs to be the location. Plus it would require the intervention of a strong force or government entity and that could also be a sign.
Indiana Bob
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Matt 24:44 For this reason, you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour you do not expect.
Matt 25:10 But while they were on their way to buy it, the bridegroom arrived. Those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
What does it mean to be ready? Does it imply to have an awareness?
I think it means to be aware of temptations, because as you know, Satan is looking to "devour us" when we do fall into temptation. Remember the night before Jesus was crucified? Jesus asked His disciples to pray with Him and "stay awake" so they wouldn't fall into temptation.
Time and time again, Jesus tells us to endure temptation, to endure hardship and He especially tells us to endure His corrective judgment now in this age. He tells us to believe on Him to deliver us through it, and He tells us to believe this judgment is what will qualify us for His Kingdom. But, if we are "asleep" we will be locked out of His Kingdom and face the great white throne judgment with the rest of the world - what a rude awakening that would be, kinda like not knowing the hour in which Christ comes.
Stay on your guard, and bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christ and pray always.
To be awake and or alert is to have the life of Christ in us. Just like sleep is death, even a spiritual death, so then to be awake is spiritual life.
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Yes Porter I agree.
I am also seeing all of the same things that you all are seeing, hearing and experiencing,
as I watch the love of many grow cold. 2 Thes.2&3.
Luke 12:35,,,,,, you must be ready
Stay dressed for action and keep your lamps burning
36…be like men who are waiting for their master to come home for the wedding feast
so that they may open the door to Him at once when He comes and knocks.
37… Blessed are those whom the Master finds AWAKE
38… and finds them AWAKE
39… don’t leave your house to be broken in to….
40.. you also MUST. be ready ,for the Son of man is coming at an hour you do not expect
47…. And that servent who knew his Masters Will and did not get ready or act accordingly
to His Will , will receive a severe beating.
The five foolish virgins were not ready, they did not bring oil for their lamps.
Jesus is everything, even the oil in our lamps, the light of the world .
God Bless you All💕
My daughter and grandchildren are visiting. I have not seen them in 3 years. God is awesomely good.
Jas.4:7…. So whoever knows the right thing to do( bring your oil) 😁
In Christ,, Pamela
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Jesus is everything, even the oil in our lamps, the light of the world .
God Bless you All💕
Couldn't agree more Pamela, thanks for that!
If anyone is interested, I thought this quote from one of Ray's papers would make a great addition to the discussion.
https://bible-truths.com/lake14.html (https://bible-truths.com/lake14.html)
Until and unless the thing that I am going to mention next is an accomplished FACT in your PRESENT life, you will not see The Coming of the Lord, neither will you be in the First Resurrection of spiritual rest and glorification. I kid you not, this is deep and heavy stuff!
BEFORE THE DAY OF THE LORD CAN COME TO YOU
Here then is what must be accomplished in your life before you die:
"Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfill all the good pleasure of His goodness, and the work of faith with power: THAT the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ may be GLORIFIED IN YOU [IN YOU] , and YE IN HIM, according to the grace of our God and the Lord Jesus Christ" (II Thes. 1:11-12)!!
How then does our Apostle Paul tell us this MUST be accomplished? What must happen? What must we do? Or rather what must Jesus do IN US? Here is the Scriptural answer:
"Now we beseech YOU, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him.
That ye be not soon shaken in mind or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that THE DAY OF CHRIST [The Day of the Lord] is at hand [FOR YOU...] .
Let no man deceive YOU by any means: for that day shall not come [TO YOU...] except there come a FALLING AWAY FIRST [BY YOU...] , and the man of sin be revealed the son of perdition [IN YOU...TO YOU...] ; Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped [IN YOU ...] ; so that he as God sits in the temple of God ['which temple YE ARE' II Cor. 6:16] showing himself that HE IS [YOU ARE / I AM] a god
Remember ye not, that when I was yet with YOU, I told YOU these things?
And now ye know what withholds [is restraining, is detaining-'the falling away FIRST'] that he ['the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition'- YOU...] might be revealed in his time [in YOU and TO YOU- individually, not collectively] in his time ['his {particular} time']-FOR YOU and FOR ME and for ALL BELIEVERS IN ALL GENERATIONS UNTIL JESUS COMES TO US ALL, COLLECTIVELY, AS THE MANIFEST SONS OF GOD] ."
Long before Jesus can have a COMPANY of manifest SONS and DAUGHTERS of God, there has to be individual begettals by the Holy Spirit of God in chosen individuals in every generation leading up to the coming of the Lord at the end of this age.
"For the mystery [secret, hidden truth] of iniquity [lawlessness] does already work ['is inwardly working' The Emphasized New Testament: A New Translation (J. B. Rotherham)] : only he who now lets will let ['only he who restrains will do so'] , until he be taken out of the way.
And then shall that Wicked [Lawless One] be revealed IN [IN YOU] and TO YOU, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit [breath] of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming;
Even him [not original] , whose coming [the man of sin called son of perdition IN YOU] is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders" (II Thes. 2:1-9).
So yes Dennis, I believe we can know the hour. For a few, the hour has come and gone, but for many, the hour will take them by surprise.
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Hope I’m not taking the discussion off the rails here but..
What do you guys make of the fact that there have been people basically predicting everything that we’re experiencing, and they’ve been warning for 10 plus years?
Even if you’ve not heard any of these warnings over the last decade surely you’ve observed that for the last year and a half there’s a pattern of yesterday’s conspiracy theories becoming today’s widely accepted fact.. over and over again?
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Greetings
"My people perish for lack of knowledge"
There are 2 United States Of America, one incorporated one “We the people” There is a constitution “for” and constitution “of”. President take oath to “of”, youtube video of them taking the oath.
There is the god of the religious world with literal fire and brimstone, there is the true “unseen Father” of mankind”, the invisible Elohim.
There is the legal “person” (persona, the beast), there is the “man” which God created.
There is the “beast” of Revelation with “many eyes”
There is the “beast system” composed of people; mankind, which has manifested as the current world system. The beast has many eyes because it is composed of the sea of mankind. 6 feet apart mandate is so satellite can keep individual tracking, closer than that they cant tell how many people. Masonic ritual are done 6 feet apart in a circle
You have those many called and those few chosen.
When you come to see, I mean spiritually see the beast God exposes in you, believe me you will wish the rocks fall on you momentarily, seriously, but afterwards you will see salvation itself. You will glorify the Father like Nebuchadnezzar did after years living like a real beast! This is what Ray was talking about. When this happens to you you will never be the same again. When I was dragged to God , he took my daughter, that’s when I saw the beast in me. Salvation is not for the faint in heart.
Vaccines ( composed of Graphene oxide nanoparticals and Spike proteins which is causing the block clots) will be mandated to “Citizens” of the incorporated U.S.A, the “legal person” , the sea of mankind, whom they have jurisdiction over.
https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/department-of-justice-declares-covid-19-vaccine-mandates-legal_3920759.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email2&utm_campaign=mb-2021-07-28&mktids=7d4ac62ce9b1807ce83d7ffb11995b7a&est=pu0YQm9lU2uJMdaBCn6D%2FDkL0FnoNTlrZWvfIpnzOjaPRhTBZWZBcqQOipHpsw%3D%3D
Satan has no jurisdiction over the “spiritual man” because Jesus has our back, resist the devil and he will flee from you. “if God is for us who can be against us”
Judge: You are order to take the vaccine, do you understand Mr./Mrs Pale Face
Pale Face: No I do not understand (stand under). I stand with my Father in heaven.
There is A LOT going on and if we are keeping close to our Father than we need not fear for He will deliver us. I share this moment to help you keep the oil burning and the lights on in a dark world. Lets be about our Fathers business. Thats what i am doing right now.
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Sea of glass, how are you personally going about the Father’s business ? I ask because I’m struggling. I spend a lot of time reading on what is happening . Not as much just serving. It doesn’t help that we just moved and I know very few people here. And, forgive me if I’m obtuse because I am sometimes - are you saying that since Satan has no jurisdiction over our spirit then … what ? We can, for instance, take the jab because we ‘have ‘ to ? Or do we refuse in the physical realm because of our spiritual beliefs? I know what I’ve done- just asking for clarification.
I’m so sorry about your daughter. My son has been taken in a way- he’s here but estranged from us. It’s the most painful thing I’ve ever experienced. It’s taught me to just throw myself on God and His way because there is nothing else and no help anywhere else.
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There are traitors everywhere, including even the brass, which makes it especially sad and difficult.
All this massive infiltration in every sector has to be exposed, which is what we are slowly witnessing. (Interesting spiritual application).
The information war is VERY real. I'm sorry, but with all war comes casualties. There are tens of thousands of deaths/injuries with these experimental shots, and these shots are also causing the variants.
The TELL A VISION with their lies and propaganda has done an excellent job in their "programming" of the sheep. Don't watch their news if it's going to bother you...........
Walking through this outer darkness is sometimes very difficult, but it will not last forever.
"Pray without ceasing" (1 Thessalonians 5:17).
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Octoberose
Living a holy life is being about our Father’s business, so you will have very little friend because of your witnessing in how you comport yourself. I also have youtube audios, and website, I sometime reach out to certain individuals as I am move to dispel hell, freewill etc. I don't have friends that is the life a follower of Jesus, we will always rub against their grain. Christians will be your worst enemies.
Correct Satan has no rule over the true Saints. He can only touch us if God allows it like Job, like he did with Paul to keep him in check and gave him a minister of Satan.
My wife and I are blessed to be business owners. I don't ware a mask, because they DON'T work. There is a disclaimer on the box on Covid 19; we buy them for customers. Putting on a mask is like putting on a chain link fence over your face and trying to stop nats from coming thru.
Take the jab is like eating pork, snakes, rat, it modifies your genetic makeup. Everything on this covid 19 is a dooms day population control bio weapon. Now those taking the shots have to take a variant shot and still ware a mask. I digress; A friend ended up in the hospital and family got the call he was done. Family asked me to chime in on follower up call from Doctor and I did reluctingly . Long story short doctor could not answer my questions and got upset and asked who I was. Two days later family got the call he was off the respirator and doing well, ( I have the recording) 5 days later he was home, today he is back to work.
While at a barbecue friend of a friend heart doctor metioned patient died on his watch during surgery. He said they marked him on death certificate as a covid death but made sure hen mentioned he did not signed the death certificate.
He who has ear to hear let him hear.
Take the jab??? I dont give legal advise so here is my response again.
Judge: You are order to take the vaccine, do you understand Mr./Mrs Pale Face
Pale Face: No I do not understand (stand under). I stand with my Father in heaven.
Where is this going is the big question? Like Ray said 911 was a semino event. When I did not see the F16 jets flying the zone area and those building coming down like they did, and building # 7 several blocks away coming down, I knew something was up. Did the nations repent? Nope it got worst! The end of the gentile ruling is very at hand.
Keep the oil burning and keep your hearts clean.
Be blessed
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There is a video of a nice babylonian woman who had a dream in 1994 involving her and her non-religious mother and sister. I believe it came from the Lord, but she didn't understand the primary application. The dream from her is as follows:
"I was in a nice house with numerous windows with my mother and sister. They were off in a corner of the living room talking while I was looking out the windows. I looked out these windows as far as the eye could see, but I also noticed a lot of dirt flying around in the outside air. Suddenly, there was a huge rumble beneath us and then an enormous wall of dirt started coming toward the three of us. I was at peace knowing that this was the end. At the time I didn't know about Jesus though I had heard of Him; I was only aware of "the light" from near death experiences in my talks with another person. As the wall of dirt came to the house we started running away from the windows and I yelled to my mom and sister to "go towards the light". All the windows were blown in and the three of us were knocked over. In the midst of the heavy darkness from the dust/dirt around me I saw a tiny pinpoint of light straight ahead. All of a sudden this light enveloped me completely and overtook the darkness, and I experienced exquisite pure perfection of love and light". [end story]
This lady mentions 1 Corinthians 15:47-58 as verses connected to her dream and interpreted the dream as pertaining to the crazy events of today, which I cannot deny as having an outward application. However, when I look at her dream, I interpret it primarily as the realization that all of humanity who are not Elect will experience as they reach the Lake of Fire. They will be confronted with the enormity of the "man of sin" within, or the 200 million carnal thoughts within everyone (Revelation 9:16), which will blow them away. I thought her dream was an interesting take on what is to come for humanity, even though she did not understand it as something primarily within, as is the case with Babylon.
If anyone is interested in watching this video, you'll have to PM me as the video deals mainly about the events of today and politics.
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I think we are starting to go off on a tangent. Covid is a big-big deal, but I think it is still only the beginning… and who knows how far things will spiral downward before we arrive at the “hour.”
Mat 24:4 Then Jesus answered and said to them, "Be on guard, so that no one deceives you.
Mat 24:5 For many shall come in My name, saying, 'I am the Christ'; and they shall deceive many.
Mat 24:6 And you shall hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you do not let these things disturb you. For it is necessary that all these things take place, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be famines and pestilences and earthquakes in different places.
Mat 24:8 Now all these things are the beginning of sorrows.
Before I write any more, I’m wondering about the deliberately ambiguous meaning of the “the abomination of desolation.” I really believe that this is the key. And I do not believe that anyone has ever cracked (or revealed) the true meaning.
Mat 24:15 Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (the one who reads, let him understand)
I have heard some argue that it already occurred during the Roman sacking of the temple in Jerusalem in a.d. 70.
Yes, while that may be a preliminary type, it can’t possibly be the only meaning. Otherwise, it would not have been followed up with this statement:
Mat 24:21 For then shall there be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until this time, nor ever shall be again.
Mat 24:22 And if those days were not limited, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake those days shall be limited.
I have many more thoughts, but I’m going to cut it right here, as things can get too complicated.
Mike
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Thayer's Greek Lexicon translates that word "place" in Matthew 24:15 as "temple".
Could there be a 3rd temple to be built in Jerusalem to fulfill these verses in the natural realm?
Satan loves to be worshipped, as he tempted Jesus with it.
Satan does enter people, as he entered Judas to betray Jesus.
Satan would love to be worshipped by all humanity. Could this happen by entering another man, like he did with Judas?
Is it God's will for this to happen literally?
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Before I write any more, I’m wondering about the deliberately ambiguous meaning of the “the abomination of desolation.” I really believe that this is the key. And I do not believe that anyone has ever cracked (or revealed) the true meaning.
Mat 24:15 Therefore, when you see the abomination of desolation, which was spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (the one who reads, let him understand)
I have many more thoughts, but I’m going to cut it right here, as things can get too complicated.
Mike
I thought Ray was quite clear on the meaning of "the abomination of desolation" from the paper I quoted. Here is the second witness to the passage you quoted.
2Th 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.
2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
The abomination is that which "opposes and exalts himself above God, or that is worshiped; so that he as a god sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is a god." Once this abomination is "perceived" by you or "revealed" to you and in you, it becomes "desolate" or destroyed by Christ. This is the "hour", but you won't know it was the hour till you look back from this fall from grace and self worship and repent of it.
If this discussion is about the interpretation of literal prophecies, then forgive me if you knew these spiritual things already. It's just as ambiguous to me as it is to you if that is the case.
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Please watch this two minute video. I'm curious if anyone thinks it has anything to do with this discussion? https://youtu.be/nh-CKx95rh0 (https://youtu.be/nh-CKx95rh0)
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From the LOf 15
The man of sin is a beast who thinks he is a God,
I will show that free Will is indeed an idol of the heart which needs to be repented of.
And of all mans sacred cows, free Will is the most sacred of all. It is undoubtably the most difficult doctrine
in mans walk with God to acknowledge and give up.
And though neither science nor Holy Scripture know anything of a power called free will,
most will continue to defend it even in the light of a mountain of scriptural truth that contradicts
it at every turn.
To even question the existence of such a universally accepted sacred cow that has been lauded
by theologians and philosophers since Eden is to open oneself to criticism of being either a moron
Or a heretic. It is rather this theory of free will itself that is moronic and heretical.
Yeah, it is rather idiotic and evil.
God Himself calls the notion of independent free choice , evil..
There is a plethora of simple to understand teachings in the scriptures that utterly contradicts
the fantasy of mans free will.
Come on Ray, tell us.Who is the beast?
THE BEAST IS YOU
1Corth.3:19,,,, for the wisdom ( the wisdom mind you , not the foolishness ) is foolishness
GK, stupidity) with God. For it is written, He takes the wise in their own craftiness.
Foreknowledge contradicts free Will.
The example of the disciples forsaking Jesus is so important to this study that we are going to stay with it a little longer.
We are all prodigal sons.
Love in Christ
What then is it to be carnal or carnally minded. It’s not good ,I can tell you that. It’s a monster.
ITS A BEAST.
all caps Rays.
I have wondered just how evil this beast is. Well, the audios Repentance and Guilty of All
will tell you just what we are O MAN
Except for by the grace of God go I.
All glory to God.
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While I personally believe that almost everything in the Scriptures is layered with dual meanings, I respectfully contend that, in the “main” context of Mat 24, Jesus is not referring to the “abomination of desolation” on an individual spiritual level. This was an inquiry of end time prophesy from the disciples.
The question to him was direct:
Mat 24:3 “…….and, what is the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age? “
And Daniel’s question was in the same vein:
Modern King James:
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I did not understand. Then I said, O my lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And He said, Go, Daniel! For the words are closed up and sealed until the end-time.
Dan 12:10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried. But the wicked shall do wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but the wise shall understand.
Dan 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the desolating abomination set up, a thousand two hundred and ninety days shall occur.
Here’s an interesting interpretation of Dan 12:11 & Mat 24:15 from the Basic Bible in English (BBE). Different from all the others that I have seen. Is it accurate? I’m not sure, but it is interesting in its interpretation concerning the abomination of desolation when referenced by Jesus:
Dan 12:11 And from the time when the regular burned offering is taken away, and an unclean thing causing fear is put up, there will be a thousand, two hundred and ninety days.
Mat 24:15 When, then, you see in the holy place the unclean thing which makes destruction, of which word was given by Daniel the prophet let this be clear to the reader,
I’m taking everything into consideration that is being presented, including the two-minute video. And I still think we are all missing something in Mat 24 (myself included… especially myself). Not only that, will we ever truly know the exact day and hour? Apparently we can come close, but we will never truly know until that hour occurs:
Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour no one knows, no, not the angels of Heaven, but only My Father.
Mat 24:42 Therefore watch; for you do not know what hour your Lord comes.
Mike
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Where are we I end time prophecy physically, KNOWLEDGE WILL INCREASE?
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”
Is, was and will be.
There is nothing new under the sun that will happen to us that hasn’t happened to mankind in general, PHYSICALLY speaking yesterday, today and tomorrow.
BUT spiritually only those chosen will have the man of sin revealed in them. We will see the hideous doctrine of hell for what it is, we will see free will is a farce, we sill see the man of sin not “a man of sin”; while professing bible thumpers will call it God’s divine judgment and will persecute you for claiming otherwise. They will continue their singing and dancing at the churches, synagogue and temples while they hold a 38 in one hand and THEIR scripture in another. Remember, Satan uses the Scripture with twist and turn to foster his version, while those with the truth know God’s true message.
Their god is a god of fire and brimstone, ours is a God of love.
We on the other hand will be scrutinized by the spirit even in our smallest rough edge attitude and we will be forever repenting till God calls us. Moses was given power and he lost his cool, stroked the rock and gave them water. Moses was not allowed to enter the promise land.
Our battle is a battle for our spiritual mind where we will be afflicted, pruned, tied as gold in the spiritual fire like no other people on the earth. Like Daniel who was given a global view of things to come, God will revealed to us the state of our time if we keep a watchful eye and keeping the oil burning.
911 changed Rays mind about things; this covid 19/mask/vacine mandate to gain full control, alternate behavior to be accepted, deliberate infrastructural breakdown, etc. should be a BIG RED SIGN last day Sodom and Gomorrah is upon us for sure.
Since 1776 and the creation of the dollar bill the “New World Order” was printed on the back of the dollar and the public new nothing of this. The Pyramid with the cap detached indicate those controlling things are not part of the masses as they were unknown until today “for there is nothing that is hidden that shall not be revealed” Luke 8:17. It has taken me over 10 years to acquire a load of information that had to be screened completely before I could open my mouth. People’s behavior are so out of sync it is an incredible thing to witness. You can now claim to be a salmon and it has to be accepted, a pedophilia is ok, up is down down is up!! And it is escalating! if you consentrate on just one aspect of all this it wont work. Its all all one big event. Building of the temple in Jerusalem?? Lets keep our minds on our Temple, this is what matter
With all that I now see, I can also see the hour is here! As Ray said when Jesus comes back all hell will be breaking lose on the earth, not just America.
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Please watch this two minute video. I'm curious if anyone thinks it has anything to do with this discussion? https://youtu.be/nh-CKx95rh0 (https://youtu.be/nh-CKx95rh0)
According to Ray, Paul wasn't talking about end times.
Here is the transcript (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php?topic=5815.0):
Apostasy In The Church
So the Apostles began to realize that they were not going to see Christ set up His kingdom. They knew it was going to be down the road sometimes.
Now they were also given inspiration and prophesies and revelations that there was going to be an apostasy. That there was going to be a falling away from the Truth and it was happening then.
Paul uses the term, the last days and the latter days. It’s referring, in a prophetic sense, to down the road there shall be perilous times. But he was not talking about ‘the end of time,’ he was just talking beyond his time. In other words the last days/latter days he knew it was going to be beyond his time. But he didn’t know how far; 50 years, 100 years or 1000.
But he probably wanted to see all of it, but his demise was coming pretty fast. Also he also realized that it was happening then. Not the full impact, but it was beginning to happen.
People write me all the time and want to know, ‘do you think the Pope is the antichrist or do you think that Saddam Hussein was the antichrist (not any more).’ Everybody wants to know who the antichrist is. I say there is no such thing as ‘the antichrist’ in the Bible. If you show me the words ‘the antichrist’ in the Bible, I’ll give you $100. There is no such thing as ‘the’ antichrist or ‘the’ great tribulation. It’s not in there. These are theological inventions, they are not Scripture. There is not the antichrist, there are many antichrist.
By the time John wrote 1st, 2nd and 3rd John, he said there were many antichrists and they are already here. Many antichrists.
I John 2:18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come,
There is not one boggy man coming and he’s going to sit upon a big throne over in Jerusalem, in a temple and he’s going to say ‘I’m god, I created the heaven and the earth.’ All this will be on national TV, and they will say, ‘he’s god.’ Well how do you know that? ‘Because he said so.’ Is he going to call fire down out of heaven? Then we would know for sure it’s god. They would say, ‘he may look like a man, but he’s god.’ Oh come on, it will never happen. All this junk that they are looking for, it will never happen.
Oh there is somebody that sits on the throne, in the temple of God, claiming to be God. But it’s you and me, not some boggy man. WE are the temple of God, who sits on the throne of our temple. It should be Jesus Christ, but before it is Jesus Christ, it’s us. We sit there, we are the little gods. We are the ones that think we have free moral agency - free will and all such other unscriptural nonsense.
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Hi Dennis and folks,
Just wondering, could the building of a third temple in Jerusalem be one sign that we can expect and if it does occur can we presume that it is a true indication of progression of events leading to Jesus' return?
I know that the Muslims would strongly resist construction on the temple mount, but there is disagreement about whether that needs to be the location. Plus it would require the intervention of a strong force or government entity and that could also be a sign.
Indiana Bob
Thayer's Greek Lexicon translates that word "place" in Matthew 24:15 as "temple".
Could there be a 3rd temple to be built in Jerusalem to fulfill these verses in the natural realm?
Satan loves to be worshipped, as he tempted Jesus with it.
Satan does enter people, as he entered Judas to betray Jesus.
Satan would love to be worshipped by all humanity. Could this happen by entering another man, like he did with Judas?
Is it God's will for this to happen literally?
I don't think we need to look at Jerusalem. For prophetic purposes, Jerusalem is actually "Sodom & Egypt".
from Ray's towers paper:
So, who is Egypt and Sodom TODAY? And who is Israel TODAY?
Is the Israel of all these major prophecies (foretold to happen before the coming of God's government to this earth), the handful of racially mixed tenants of the State of Israel today? Give me a break.
Is the Jerusalem in prophecy inside today's Israel? Don't take my word for it
" And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified" (Rev. 11:8).
And where was our Lord crucified? In literal Sodom? NO. In literal Egypt? NO. He was crucified in Jerusalem, which is now for prophetic purposes, "SODOM & EGYPT!"
Read the towers paper and see which country is today's State of Israel.
Regarding "the abomination of desolation", yes, some people said it happened in 70AD, but many prophecies have numerous fulfillments, physical first then and spiritual.
So if the abomination of desolation is also an end time prophesy, then we should look at which city/country is today's Jerusalem/Israel.
hint hint: Jerusalem/Israel ==> DC/USA
Read Daniel 12:7, this verse tells us when all these things will be ended. Actually months ago I posted this verse in another thread and quoted Ray's towers paper to show which country is today's Israel, and asked if Daniel 12:7 was about the government. But then the other mod saw the word "government" and immediately deleted my post. So, take this verse however you like, we are not allowed to discuss it.
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Interestingly....Ray's paper entitled, "In the Day of the Great Slaughter, when the Towers Fall" does utilize a literal interpretation of Isaiah 30:25, with a picture of the Twin Towers in the background on the homepage.
Ray didn't seem to have a problem with taking that verse and applying it for the events of 2001.
The book of Revelation mentions the return of Jesus. Is that going to eventually happen literally at one point, or is this only to be a spiritual return?
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Interestingly....Ray's paper entitled, "In the Day of the Great Slaughter, when the Towers Fall" does utilize a literal interpretation of Isaiah 30:25, with a picture of the Twin Towers in the background on the homepage.
Ray didn't seem to have a problem with taking that verse and applying it for the events of 2001.
The book of Revelation mentions the return of Jesus. Is that going to eventually happen literally at one point, or is this only to be a spiritual return?
I remember Ray wasn't the only one that linked Isaiah 30:25 to 9/11.
If it's a spiritual return, how would the unbelievers (aka spiritual dead people) be aware of His spiritual return?
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Did Jesus teach using only parables or not? Is the sermon on the mount for the Elect or not? I'm seeing some contradictions from what I've learned on bible-truths.com, so it's confusing to see all this talk of Jesus teaching in a literal sense. I'm not pointing my finger at anyone, as I'm sure I've done the same at one time or another. It's not good or bad, just something that confuses and bothers me sometimes.
I've wondered for a long time now if Jesus ever really left, considering some verses that state He would never leave us. Spirit is invisible, so maybe He just disappeared and will reappear again in the future?
I've also noticed how much Ray grew in the spiritual knowledge of the Lord. Early on in his writings, it often seemed as though Ray gave literal meanings to certain teachings, but later in his writings, he strongly taught in the spirit. It was confusing until I realized this.
I'm not asking for perfect interpretations from anyone, just a baseline of understanding for the foundation we are building on. I'm willing to meet anyone at their personal level of understanding, please do the same for me.
Here's a quote from Ray about "the hour which no one knows". Was Ray wrong, or is there something there? Does "as Christ is so are we" apply to this also? It's from the same audio transcription that Dennis linked.
https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,5815.0.html (https://bible-truths.com/forums/index.php/topic,5815.0.html)
BUT…. JESUS NEVER SAID WHEN HE WOULD RETURN
Mark 13:32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
So do you think that Jesus Christ doesn’t know when He will come back? Well that verse says so, right. But now we’ve got to ask ourselves, how little does Jesus know about His Father, His plan and prophecy? Apparently not very much. He doesn’t even know when He going to come back. Well I have a different take on that.
I just can’t believe Christ doesn’t know when He’s suppose to come. I don’t believe that. But I also believe that this Scripture is true. I know it sounds like a contradiction and it’s only an apparent contradiction, until you put something together. I did put something together.
Why didn’t Jesus know when He was in the flesh, when He would come back to rule the world? Why didn’t He know? His Father didn't tell Him... so only the Father knows? I don’t know, the angels in heaven don’t know. Only the Father knows... but now I’m saying that Jesus Christ knows. Well if He didn’t know it then, He must have learned it later on someplace. Well I believe He did.
Rev 1:1 A Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God GAVE to Him to show to His servants things which must shortly (quickly) come to pass. And He signified it by sending His angel to His servant John,
Rev 1:2 who bore record of the Word of God and of the testimony of Jesus Christ and of all the things that he saw.
Rev 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads and hears the Words of this prophecy, and the ones keeping the things written in it, for the time is at hand.
Rev 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia. Grace to you and peace from Him which is and which was and which is to come; and from the seven spirits which are before His throne;
Rev 1:5 even from Jesus Christ the faithful Witness, the First-born from the dead and the Prince of the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
Rev 1:6 and made us kings and priests to God and His Father, to Him be glory and dominion for the eons of the eons. Amen.
Rev 1:7 Behold, He comes with the clouds, and every eye will see Him.
This is a revelation of Christ coming, but it’s a revelation of how it comes to us. But He’s coming back to the world. So now this is a two edged sword.
All these intricate prophesies and then you get back when Babylon is burnt and destroyed. We know our Babylon is destroyed, but the real Babylon out there is going to be destroyed, Mystery Babylon the Great the mother of harlots and whores, it is going to be destroyed and so on.
This is His testimony and He doesn’t know when these things are going to happen? He knows. There is no doubt in my mind, He knows. Because His Father has now shown Him. Remember He said in the book of John. I have many things to shows you, but you can’t receive them yet. Not YET. Now who wrote that? Is that in Matthew? No. Mark? No. Luke? No. Where do we find that? In John. John is the only one that records that Christ said, that I have many things to show you. Why would John write that in his gospel? Remember the other gospels were written in the 60’s or so. But John apparently didn’t write until later, at least the late 60’s or some say all the way into the 90’s.
Matthew, Mark and Luke are called the synoptic gospels. That’s because they all kind of have a chronological story flow of Christ and His ministry and His parables. John’s is different. That’s why he’s not included with the other three. Matthew, Mark and Luke are the synoptic gospels, John has his own gospel.
John is tying up the loose ends that are not covered in the other gospels. I mean we’ve got 5 pages on just what Christ said at the last supper in John. You go to Matthew or Mark and you’ve got maybe 5 sentences. See there is a lot of things being said and one is “I have many things to show you.”
John 16:12 I have yet many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now.
Many things! John wrote that. Because John is the one that God showed “many things” that have to come to pass. John remembered that, the other apostles and writers they didn’t include that. They didn’t see that being fulfilled, Mark and Matthew didn’t see themselves fulfilling that. John did. By the time John is writing his letters and his gospel, he’s putting together these things. You don’t read this anywhere except John’s account.
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From Gehenna Fire Judgement
Rev. 1:9,,,, I John, who also am your brother(God’s Elect) and companion in TRIBULATION
and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the Isle that is called Patmos for
the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples and exhorting them to continue in the faith
and that we MUST through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
Tha word tribulation in this verse, ( Strongs # 2347) means pressure, literally or figuratively
affliction, anguish, burdened, persecution ,tribulation, trouble.
Wow! They don’t teach this stuff in Sunday School.
Repentance: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance, Luke5:32
The very first word to humanity out of Jesus mouth was repent.
And what does repent mean? It means to change.
When God calls one to be a son in His Kingdom, He puts them into a spiritual pressure cooker.
This is needful; this is necessary; this must be done.
CHANGE
And what have I been teaching since we started Bible- truths .com? That God is changing
physical carnal humanity into the spiritual image of God. That’s what our existence is all about.
God is going to change the entire human race. And once you understand the first word
repentance, you will understand the other spiritual pious sounding words of Scripture.
They all involve change. Changing us from what we are into what God is.
The word repentance sets the stage for all other commandments and admonitions
regarding a change from what we are to what we should and MUST BE. WOW 😮
The wow is mine, I say it lots.😁
God is ONE , we are to keep the unity of ONE. All believers are to be ONE in God.
The Scriptures are ONE, THE PARABLES ARE ALL ONE PARABLE.
And now I want to show all these words ( these pious sounding words) in the final
analysis mean the same thing.CHANGE.
This change is not a walk in the park.
There are numerous terms used to describe our spiritual walk with God which we will look at next.
Here is one . Reformation
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and diverse washings, and carnal ordinances
imposed on them until the time of reformation. ( Heb. 9:10) Strongs # 1357 diorthosis,,,,
to straighten thoroughly, rectification, that is specifically) the Messianic restoration, reformation.
A reformation requires a New Covenant. A new and better way of doing everything.
Moving from the physical law of Moses to the spiritual law that was hidden from the carnal mind
until God ushered in,,,,, time of reformation.
Everyone should know that when one reforms, something they drastically change is for the better.
Notice how the dictionary definition complements Christ’s ministry.
Reformation,,, to improve by alteration, correction of error,or removal of defects, to abolish abuse
of malpractice in government, put an end to wrong, cause a person to give up harmful or immoral
practices, persuade to adopt a better way of life, correction of evils,abuses or errors.
Humanity will not perceive what these corrections are.
One more thing and please correct me if I misunderstood.
Isn’t the Day of the Lord a long period of time?
Day= Yom= A period of time
Love to all, in Christ, Pamela
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For what it's worth I believe we are here now:
And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the NAME of the wild beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME.
Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the wild beast: for it is THE NUMBER OF A MAN; and his number is SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX [666] " (Rev. 13:11-18) .
To me the Covid-19 Vaccine is the "MARK"
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I hope not John. But I won’t necessarily disagree with you yet. Covid and Covid vaccines are a lot of things. Covid is a virus but it’s also a religion. Covid vaccine is a pharmaceutical but it’s also a religious sacrament- like the blood of the lamb on your doorpost so that the angel of death might Passover your house, so to is the vaccine a sacrament that is injected into your body so that the angel of death might Passover you. The mask is a piece of cloth but it’s also a religious talisman like Christians wear a cross around their neck- so to is a mask worn to indicate who is and who is not an adherent to the faith.
Google ‘vaccine saves’ to see the statue of Christ in Brazil lit up with the words ‘vaccine saves’ written on Christ. Tell me it’s not a religion.
I myself was forced into getting vaccinated. My job that I have been at for 20 years said it was mandatory or I would be fired. They gave us a very short time to decide. I’d have no problem being fired and even working a job pumping gas or flipping burgers. I’d be happy to live off of the bare necessities and keep my integrity in tact. But, I am also the sole provider for my wife and 3 kids. My wife has a very serious health issue that we are in the middle of and I could not risk having a lapse in health insurance for her. My choice was to A) find another job and take close to %50 paycut, sacrifice the health and possibly the life of my wife.. but keep my integrity. Or B) sacrifice my integrity for the sake of my family.
I struggled badly with this choice but ultimately I submitted. I saw it as “put a gun to my head and I will gladly stick to my integrity and let you kill me- but stick a gun to my family’s head?”
Afterward getting the shot I had a pretty intense depression for a couple weeks. The depression has lessened but it is still heavy.
Now with talk about booster shots, I’m not going to wait for the next vaccine mandate. I can see the writing on the wall and I’m praying and looking for another job. If it’s Gods will.
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Worth mentioning again that the word “sorcery” in Revelation is “pharmakea” where we get the English “pharmaceutical”
Which is fitting since it appears that these vaccines work just as well as a rabbits foot. Your chances of being hospitalized or dying from Covid are very small without the vaccine.. or with the vaccine.. or with a rabbits foot in your pocket. It’s faith based. Superstition.
But your chances of dying from the vaccine are zero if you don’t get the vaccine. I hope you all stay in a position where the choice is up to you and no one holds your family or job hostage if you don’t get it.
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There’s a book called The Crowd: A Study of the Popular Mind by Gustave Le Bon
It’s noted that Hitler found the findings of this book particularly useful.
Book 1:The Mind of Crowds
Chapter 4: A Religious Shape Assumed by All the Convictions of Crowds
Short chapter. Available online. Worth a read.
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For what it's worth I believe we are here now:
And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the NAME of the wild beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME.
Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the wild beast: for it is THE NUMBER OF A MAN; and his number is SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX [666] " (Rev. 13:11-18) .
To me the Covid-19 Vaccine is the "MARK"
I don't think the vaccine is the mark. We have discussed Rev 13:16 quite a few times already, look it up in the old threads.
A lot of people have died after taking the jabs, I don't see how they can buy and sell from six feet under.
https://www.openvaers.com/covid-data
Some countries have approved ivermectin for covid treatment, people in those countries don't need to get the jabs.
We all know we need to pay attention to every single word in scripture.
Rev 13: 16 And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
jab or no jab, some people already can't buy and sell
the small - kids are not financial independent
the poor - no money to spend
the bond - no freedom to buy and sell
Rev 13: 17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
In order to buy and sell, you need to fit in one of the 3 categories:
1) you have the mark
OR
2) you have the name of the beast
OR
3) you have the number of his name
Meaning even if you don't have the mark, you can still buy and sell as long as you have the name of the beast, which is every human being on earth.
The only place that mentions those who don't have the mark is Rev 20:4
Rev 20:4 And I saw high seats, and they were seated on them, and the right of judging was given to them: and I saw the souls of those who were put to death for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and those who did not give worship to the beast, or to his image, and had not his mark on their brows or on their hands; and they were living and ruling with Christ a thousand years.
So I think Rev 13:16 - 17 is also talking about the judgement.
Rev 20:22 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Rev 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
When judgement is on earth, I don't see how anyone can still do business as usual to buy and sell.
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Afterward getting the shot I had a pretty intense depression for a couple weeks. The depression has lessened but it is still heavy.
Now with talk about booster shots, I’m not going to wait for the next vaccine mandate. I can see the writing on the wall and I’m praying and looking for another job. If it’s Gods will.
I saw a lot of videos that show people's bodies became magnetic after receiving the jabs, not sure if I should believe that, I am curious if this also happens to you.
https://banned.video/watch?id=60bdda4c67e7d26dfad01834
https://www.bitchute.com/video/9gGUIRrlfyeo/
from NIH:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24715289/
If there will ever be a booster jab mandatory, I suppose you can ask your doctor to issue an exemption due to vaccine anxiety?
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Hi zvezda,
You said:
A lot of people have died after taking the jabs, I don't see how they can buy and sell from six feet under.
Have I missed something ? Where did anybody say anything about the dead going shopping ? :)
In Sydney Australia the vaccines are free and now recommend for kids as young as 12
You also said:
jab or no jab, some people already can't buy and sell................ok so we are already partially there
the small - kids are not financial independent .......................one doesn't need money if it's free
the poor - no money to spend.............................one doesn't need money if it's free
the bond - no freedom to buy and sell.............sorry I'm confused the vaccines are free for everyone whether in bond or free.
If the goal for the beasts is to vaccinate the world money is not an issue
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Five years imprisonment and/or a $66,600 fine for refusing coronavirus vaccination?
From Australia, I'm watching the fast-tracked development of coronavirus vaccines with mounting concern.
Under the Australian Biosecurity Act 2015, refusers of coronavirus vaccination[1] in Australia could be at risk of five years imprisonment and/or a $66,600 fine.[2] [3]
This emergency power has been active since March 2020, and has been extended to December 2020 [4], with the potential for unlimited extensions.[5]
It's possible this emergency power could be extended until a coronavirus vaccine is available, and that people in Australia could be under duress to have coronavirus vaccination, i.e. at risk of imprisonment and/or a huge fine, for a virus which is not a threat to most people under 70.[6]
We need to talk about this...
References:
1. Biosecurity Act 2015. Australian Government Department of Health - Listed Human Diseases (page last updated 21 September 2020): https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/ohp-bios... (Accessed 30 October 2020.)
2. Biosecurity Act 2015 -C2020C00127 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2020C00127 (Accessed 30 October 2020.)
3. Notice of Indexation of the Penalty Unit Amount, Attorney-General, dated 14 May 2020. -F2020N00061 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2020N00061 (Accessed 30 October 2020.)
4. Human Biosecurity Emergency Period Extended By Three Months. Media Release, Ministers Department of Health, 3 September 2020: https://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-greg-hunt-mp/media/human-bio... (Accessed 30 October 2020.)
5. COVID-19 Legislative response - Human Biosecurity Emergency Declaration Explainer. Parliament of Australia. Posted 19/03/2020 by Howard Maclean & Karen Elphick: https://www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Parliamentary_Departments/Parlia... (Accessed 30 October 2020.)
5. Why do we need a vaccine for Covid-19? Elizabeth Hart, BMJ rapid response, 1 September 2020: https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3258/rr-9
Footnotes to references:
1. Human coronavirus with pandemic potential (e.g. COVID-19), is included as a 'Listed Human Disease' under the Biosecurity Act 2015.
2. See the Biosecurity Act 2015, Chapter 2 - Managing biosecurity risks: human health, Part 3 - Managing risks to human health: human biosecurity control orders, Division 2 - Imposing human biosecurity control orders on individuals, Subdivision C - When an individual is required to comply with a biosecurity measure, 74 When individual is required to comply with a biosecurity measure (1) (e) section 92 (vaccination or treatment) and (2) The individual is required to comply with the measure only if: (a) the individual consents to the measure; or (b) the Director of Human Biosecurity has given a directive for the individual to comply with the measure in accordance with paragraph 72(5)(a)...(etc...), and Note 1: A person who fails to comply with a biosecurity measure that the person is required to comply with may commit an offence (see section 107) - see Division 4 - Other provisions relating to human biosecurity control orders, Subdivision C - Miscellaneous, 107 Offence for failing to comply with a human biosecurity control order...Penalty: Imprisonment for 5 years or 300 penalty units, or both.
3 A 'penalty unit' is $222 under Commonwealth law, multiplied by 300 equals $66,600
4 (to reference 5) "...The Governor-General may extend a declaration indefinitely (with each extension being for no longer than three months) if the Health Minister remains satisfied that the conditions that required a declaration of a human biosecurity emergency continue".
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Hi zvezda,
You said:
A lot of people have died after taking the jabs, I don't see how they can buy and sell from six feet under.
Have I missed something ? Where did anybody say anything about the dead going shopping ? :)
In Sydney Australia the vaccines are free and now recommend for kids as young as 12
You also said:
jab or no jab, some people already can't buy and sell................ok so we are already partially there
the small - kids are not financial independent .......................one doesn't need money if it's free
the poor - no money to spend.............................one doesn't need money if it's free
the bond - no freedom to buy and sell.............sorry I'm confused the vaccines are free for everyone whether in bond or free.
If the goal for the beasts is to vaccinate the world money is not an issue
John, you said "the Covid-19 Vaccine is the 'MARK'" and posted Rev 13:16-17 as the proof
Rev 13:16 And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the NAME of the wild beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME.
So, as you said, vaccine = the mark = you can't buy and sell without the mark = you can't buy and sell without getting the jab, Is that what you mean?
If so, that's why I said it doesn't matter if people get the vaccine or not, since a lot of them died after the jab, they can NOT buy and sell any more since they are dead.
The "buy and sell" in Rev 13:16-17 is referring to the everyday buy and sell such as buying and selling food or clothes, it has nothing to do with the free vaccine.
the small - kids are not financial independent, they can't go out to buy candies without their parents money
the poor - no money to spend on food or clothes
the bond - no freedom to buy anything such as food and clothes and no freedom to sell anything such as food and clothes.
If money is not the issue, what does the "buy and sell" mean in rev 13:16-17?
Again, we have discussed Rev 13:16 quite a few times already, look it up in the old threads.
Jab or no jab, every human being on earth is a beast = every human being on earth already has the mark.
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All should watch this, very important
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dILSt_EQgNM
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let's forget it zvezda as we are not on the same page, perhaps not even reading the same book :(
you saying this:
John, you said "the Covid-19 Vaccine is the 'MARK'" and posted Rev 13:16-17 as the proof
I didn't do that at all, I did NOT use Rev 13:16-17 as the proof that "the Covid-19 Vaccine is the 'MARK'"
Sorry but I will NOT participate any further with you regarding this topic.
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This is what I posted:
For what it's worth I believe we are here now:
And he causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a MARK in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the MARK, or the NAME of the wild beast, or the NUMBER OF HIS NAME.
Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the wild beast: for it is THE NUMBER OF A MAN; and his number is SIX HUNDRED THREESCORE AND SIX [666] " (Rev. 13:11-18) .
To me the Covid-19 Vaccine is the "MARK"
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From what I have understood, the magnetized effect that some people are experiencing is from the graphene oxide in these shots. Apparently the goal of these satanists was to load everyone up with plenty of this material through the use of more shots and boosters. They have wanted total control over the "useless eaters", just like their "father, the devil" (John 8:44).
You can buy Ivermectin on Amazon as a paste designed for horses, but the reviews indicate that people are taking it for themselves.
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Encouraging news update!
https://bestnewshere.com/beginning-of-end-of-covid-covid-rules-all-over-the-world-must-fall-because-of-something-that-happened-in-canada/
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Thank you seaofglass ..................great find :)
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Encouraging news update!
https://bestnewshere.com/beginning-of-end-of-covid-covid-rules-all-over-the-world-must-fall-because-of-something-that-happened-in-canada/
It doesn’t matter.
You don’t recognize what’s happening. Like I said, Covid might be a virus, but it definitely is a religious movement.
God knows what He’s doing. It wasn’t an accident or oversight or coincidence in Gods plan that Church doors were closed at the beginning of all this. The many were sent home and were forbade from gathering as one body, their body was scattered and their religion was suspended. Gods plan.
And during that time they were offered other religions/other bodies to join to. Gods plan. They gladly took to them forsaking their first love and uniting with another body of people. And now they genuinely truly wholeheartedly believe they are doing God a service by devoting themselves to this fight and to their new husband. They think their actions are virtuous and righteous when they shame you for not bowing down to their new cause, their new religion. After all they believe they’re saving lives!
And as for you who want to just be left alone.. minding your own business isn’t enough. You MUST join them or else you show that you are selfish and don’t care about others and you’re literally killing people by not joining the new cause/the new religion. And you deserve the wrath and scorn of the new movement.
They’ve united themselves as one body to bring all infidels into their fold by conquest if they have to. And if it gets to the point where they end up separating children from parents and hauling people off to camps. They will wholeheartedly agree and be glad in their heart to see it happen. It’s the new, and perhaps the final inquisition.. I don’t know. But that’s what I see anyway.
As for the article you posted,
“Law” or “proof” can’t stop a religious mass movement.
See Christianity.
So keeping with the topic of this thread, yes, I do believe some can tell what time it is spiritually speaking. Like in Daniel, the writing is on the wall and everyone can see it but not everyone can understand what they’re seeing.
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It doesn’t matter.
You don’t recognize what’s happening. Like I said, Covid might be a virus, but it definitely is a religious movement.
Well, the Covid response definitely is a religious movement with it's own prophets like Fauci et al and it's own sacred screeds which like the Minerets in Mohammudism wail and blare from loudspeakers except we being more modern use televisions and radios. And woe be to you if you blaspheme their prophets or even dare to question them as you will be outcast from their social media, ect.
You can't question them on it and this from a disease that currently has an infection fatality rate of less than 1% even with no medical intervention let alone a vaccine rushed into production with little testing. There are generic and well tolerated medications that greatly mitigate Covid but doctors that use them get in trouble and of course there is no money to be made off them which is a big driver.
It is what it is. All a part of God's plan and to me at least I see a tiny bit of what the Jews had to endure with wearing their gold stars before the persecution began in Hitler's Germany. There is even major media [propaganda] talking heads that have said on air that those who refuse vaccination should be locked up, or even denied food and medical care and nobody raises an eyebrow at that. And yet to those people the right to abort their own babies is sacrosanct as 'my body, my choice' and all that.
Definitely interesting days we are moving into and if I didn't know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this is all part of God's plan and he has things under complete control I wouldn't be sleeping very well at night these days.
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Lareli
"You don’t recognize what’s happening."
Thats a presumption in error on your part so i will spell it out.
The encouraging news IS there is NO VIRUS! No need to worry like the rest of the world.
This was my news for you all
You take the jab out of lack of knowledge. No masks needed.
The Judge VOICED on record there was no evidence to prove an epedimic.
Let me explain:
A man was in court was ordered to pay a large fine. He told the Judge he did not have such amount to pay. The Judge got upset and said outloud " i dont care if you pay in black beans" or words to that effect. Once the judge "VOICED" this in court the man replied " i accept your offer" . Man came back to pay in a few thousand beans. This is an actual court case. Google it
So we know for sure there is no covid 19 virus as a lot us have been telling everyone , but now thanks to the Judge letting the cat out the bag it has been legally certified as the otherside could not produce a sample. We now can use this as evidence confidently.
As people who know the truth it is encumber upon us to keep a watch, instruct and encourage each other and let the world see how we shine. We do not fear. One hand fees the other.
Even those who knew the truth almost 2000 years ago, many fell away. what will we indvidual do, what decision shall you make if even the Scripture becomes illegal and all books burn? Will our life line to The Most High be cut off. Only you individually can answer that. Covid or not Covid , beast system or not the LOVE of Yaweh in us will prevail.
Be of good cheers Jesus has out back
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Well there is something going around killing people and it's not just the flu. I know because I had it last November. First time in my life I was that sick, and I had all the COVID symptoms.
Listen, many of us have been paying attention and have our own firm opinions that don't align with other opinions. Lets all try hard not to get this topic locked or removed. We're all here to learn.
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I had received a flu shot every year for the past 30 years.
Now I have no desire to ever get any shots for anything, but instead I want to load up on vitamins, minerals, and supplements for my future health needs.
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Yes there is something going on but none of my sources have the answer AND its less than 1% death ratio, but its not a virus pandemic CDC own number proves this
https://rumble.com/vkt46r-w.h.o.-concedes-the-covid-virus-is-just-like-the-common-flu-500000-american.html
What could be going on?? This could be a hint and they are injecting Graphene Oxide.
5 G Mother Board with Coid 19 inscribed
https://raskrinkavanje.ba/analiza/ne-ovo-nije-maticna-ploca-koja-se-ugraduje-u-5g-baznu-stanicu
https://www.poynter.org/?ifcn_misinformation=5g-base-station-motherboard-with-an-inscribed-cov-19-mark-on-it
the company in question was never suited for this!!
America was never freed from England and if you are not living on the edge you are taking up too much space. Thats the walk of God's people; never a dull moment.
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https://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2021/08/09/what-will-segregated-society-look-like-for-the-unvaxxed.aspx?ui=3222fdd6bce5dd6aedab8e3146bd649d967923f5dad96dc0aa53ca74a23ad8e3&sd=20140916&cid_source=dnl&cid_medium=email&cid_content=art1HL&cid=20210809Z2_NB&mid=DM956122&rid=1230068602
No Jab, No Dining
No Jab, No Job
No Jab, No Business
No Jab, No Food ..................... see video from CNN :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EhlGC4EZ4Is
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I had a phone call yesterday from someone I've know for 50+ years and he caught covid last week. He said he had never been so sick and for three days he thought he would die. He's still sick but recovering.
There were several days when I wondered if I'd make it another day. This virus is real. It's not the flu.
This thread is walking the line of being political so it needs to be locked.
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This topic is about the Hour. New video on YouTube on this topic: https://youtu.be/meKUqdEGYiQ (https://youtu.be/meKUqdEGYiQ)
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Great video, Dennis. Maybe a few are "able to bear it now."
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Here's a question:
Mat 24:3 And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, 'Tell us, when shall these be? and what is the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?'
Mat 24:4 And Jesus answering said to them, 'Take heed that no one may lead you astray,
Mat 24:5 for many shall come in my name, saying, I am the Christ, and they shall lead many astray,
Mat 24:6 and ye shall begin to hear of wars, and reports of wars; see, be not troubled, for it behoveth all these to come to pass, but the end is not yet.
Mat 24:7 'For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places;
Mat 24:8 and all these are the beginning of sorrows;
Mat 24:9 then they shall deliver you up to tribulation, and shall kill you, and ye shall be hated by all the nations because of my name;
Mat 24:10 and then shall many be stumbled, and they shall deliver up one another, and shall hate one another.
Mat 24:11 'And many false prophets shall arise, and shall lead many astray;
Mat 24:12 and because of the abounding of the lawlessness, the love of the many shall become cold;
Mat 24:13 but he who did endure to the end, he shall be saved;
Mat 24:14 and this good news of the reign shall be proclaimed in all the world, for a testimony to all the nations; and then shall the end arrive.
Jesus told His disciples what was coming. What part of this prophecy is exclusive to your life and this age?
Don't let yourself become listed with the origins of Jehovah's Witnesses, Harold Camping, or any of the "137" authors to be found at the bible-book store.